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Medical ethics, forcing doctors to do abortions.

SMN Herf

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After reading the stem cell and abortion topic, the topic of medical ethics came up. This is the direction the Obama administration is taking on this issue. How many agree or disagree with forcing all doctors and all hospitals to do abortions. Isn't it hypoctritical for those who say you can't force a women to carry a baby to term but yet can force a doctor to kill the baby before it is born. Including late term partial birth abortions?


http://news.prnewswire.com/ViewContent.aspx?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-06-2009/0004984399&EDATE=

Obama to Allow Forcing Doctors to Do Abortions, Says the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)


TUCSON, Ariz., March 6 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today the Obama Administration published a proposed regulation to repeal the Provider Conscience Rule, which protects medical caregivers against being forced to do procedures contrary to their conscience.


This is a big step towards government tyranny over the medical profession.


Medical professionals should never be compelled to violate their consciences in treating patients. The integrity of the practice of medicine depends on physicians being able to decline to do what they feel is wrong.


Jane Orient, M.D., observed, "It is outrageous that the Obama Administration would move so aggressively to interfere with the practice of medicine in this country. A doctor's right to conscience is essential to preserving the integrity of the profession, and we will continue to stand in defense of it."


Saddam Hussein ordered doctors to amputate the right hands of merchants who conducted business in dollars, and atrocities of the Holocaust were perpetrated by ordering doctors to do inhumane and unthinkable procedures. We do not ever want to allow that in the United States.


But the Obama Administration is ordering the repeal in its entirety of the essential protection of the right to conscience. This exposes physicians, pharmacists, nurses and all caregivers to being forced to do what they think is wrong.


It seems that "change" under the Obama Administration really means a return to inhumane mistakes of the past. No patient is safe when doctors and others can be coerced to violate their consciences.
 

SMN Herf

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reader (the Second) said:
SMN Herf said:
After reading the stem cell and abortion topic, the topic of medical ethics came up. This is the direction the Obama administration is taking on this issue. How many agree or disagree with forcing all doctors and all hospitals to do abortions. Isn't it hypoctritical for those who say you can't force a women to carry a baby to term but yet can force a doctor to kill the baby before it is born. Including late term partial birth abortions?


http://news.prnewswire.com/ViewContent.aspx?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-06-2009/0004984399&EDATE=

Obama to Allow Forcing Doctors to Do Abortions, Says the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS)


TUCSON, Ariz., March 6 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Today the Obama Administration published a proposed regulation to repeal the Provider Conscience Rule, which protects medical caregivers against being forced to do procedures contrary to their conscience.


This is a big step towards government tyranny over the medical profession.


Medical professionals should never be compelled to violate their consciences in treating patients. The integrity of the practice of medicine depends on physicians being able to decline to do what they feel is wrong.


Jane Orient, M.D., observed, "It is outrageous that the Obama Administration would move so aggressively to interfere with the practice of medicine in this country. A doctor's right to conscience is essential to preserving the integrity of the profession, and we will continue to stand in defense of it."


Saddam Hussein ordered doctors to amputate the right hands of merchants who conducted business in dollars, and atrocities of the Holocaust were perpetrated by ordering doctors to do inhumane and unthinkable procedures. We do not ever want to allow that in the United States.


But the Obama Administration is ordering the repeal in its entirety of the essential protection of the right to conscience. This exposes physicians, pharmacists, nurses and all caregivers to being forced to do what they think is wrong.


It seems that "change" under the Obama Administration really means a return to inhumane mistakes of the past. No patient is safe when doctors and others can be coerced to violate their consciences.

I posted an article on this. My understanding is that there will be a replacement law to protect people so they are not forced to perform abortions. The law as written was overly vague and inclusive.

This article that you posted is purposely provoking through misstatements.

Sorry I missed yuor article. Too many posts to keep up with for me.

Why write a law needing another law to be written later to clarify it? What a stupid way to develop policy. Even aboortion isn't the only issue then how can you force doctors to perform procedures that are unethical to them?
 

alice

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NO ONE...will be forced to perform any medical procedure against their will. That is what freedom of choice is about.

If the medical personnel have a problem, they can refer to other medical personnel that do not have the problem...or they can say they have a problem with this and tell the patient to find another resource. This is nothing new...

Alice
 

Martin Jr.

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From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:

"The Bush administration's rule adds a requirement that institutions that get federal money certify their compliance with laws protecting the rights of moral objectors. It was intended to block the flow of federal funds to hospitals and other institutions that ignore those rights.

But the Obama administration was concerned that the Bush regulation went too far and could also be used to refuse birth control, family planning services and counseling for vaccines and transfusions."

If one moraly objects to these birth control, family planning etc. he apparently has no right of conscience according to Obama. Obama is going to get his foot in the door, and then push it open farther.
 

SMN Herf

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No Alice, Martin is right if Planned Parenthood and the ACLU have their way. They have a plan and this is the first step. Again, its not what he says, it is what he acutally does thats important.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86859

Three pro-life medical associations are seeking to defend the law against challenges by some state officials, Planned Parenthood, and the National Family Planning and Reproductive Health Association, represented by the American Civil Liberties Union.

The actions came as the 2009 March for Life was taking place in Washington, when several hundred thousand people gathered to seek protections for the unborn, including the overturning of the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court opinion in Roe vs. Wade that struck down abortion limits in states.

"For over three decades, federal law has prohibited recipients of federal grants from forcing medical professionals to participate in abortions," said ADF Legal Counsel Matt Bowman. "The arguments in the lawsuits themselves demonstrate lack of compliance with these laws and the necessity of the regulation they are challenging."

Attorney Andrew Knott is assisting as local counsel in the latest dispute in Connecticut.

The Christian Medical Association, Catholic Medical Association, and American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists, represented by CLS and ADF attorneys, are asking to be allowed to defend the law, 45 CFR Part 88, enacted in December by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Noting a pattern of grant recipients unaware of or flouting existing laws protecting medical professionals' rights of conscience, HHS enacted the new law to require grantees to certify compliance in order to receive funds. The three long-standing statutes are the Church Amendment, the Coats-Snowe Amendment and the Weldon Amendment.

The three pro-life medical groups point out that denying rights of conscience could harm access to healthcare for all by forcing medical professionals who refuse to perform abortions to either relocate from jurisdictions that force them to do so or leave the profession altogether.

Today President Obama, who as a state lawmaker in Illinois objected to requiring doctors to provide medical care for infants who survive abortions, affirmed his support for virtually unlimited abortion on demand.

Obama was issued a challenge by March for Life officials, who had invited him to address their annual march and rally.

The organization challenged Obama to "watch the evil deed of a surgical abortion to know what it looks like to pull off the head, arms and legs of a preborn human."

The organization noted, "There is a commercial killing site within a few blocks of the White House."
 
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