Cal said:ended with an excellent message!
Texan said:Special thanks to all of our service people and their families. Without your sacrifices, life would be much, much different for all of us.
??? Shepherds and star alignment would be incidental I assume . Did the TV show say anything about the best time of year for Virgins to give birth or Angles to appear?Disagreeable said:I saw an interesing show on the History Channel recently. Did you know that historians don't believe December 25 is actually Jesus's birthday? They mostly agree that he was born in the springtime. You know, shepherds in the fields, the star alignment, etc. But in the 12th or 13th century, the church was reaching out to try to get more people to join and they selected December 25th because it was the traditional day to honor the "Sun God." Since people were used to celebrating that day anyway, the church felt like it would be easier to hop on the back of that celebration than to build another one in the spring. So while you're pushing CHRISTmas in other people's faces, maybe you should wipe the mud off your face.
Red Robin said:??? Shepherds and star alignment would be incidental I assume . Did the TV show say anything about the best time of year for Virgins to give birth or Angles to appear?Disagreeable said:I saw an interesing show on the History Channel recently. Did you know that historians don't believe December 25 is actually Jesus's birthday? They mostly agree that he was born in the springtime. You know, shepherds in the fields, the star alignment, etc. But in the 12th or 13th century, the church was reaching out to try to get more people to join and they selected December 25th because it was the traditional day to honor the "Sun God." Since people were used to celebrating that day anyway, the church felt like it would be easier to hop on the back of that celebration than to build another one in the spring. So while you're pushing CHRISTmas in other people's faces, maybe you should wipe the mud off your face.
Disagreeable said:I saw an interesing show on the History Channel recently. Did you know that historians don't believe December 25 is actually Jesus's birthday? They mostly agree that he was born in the springtime. You know, shepherds in the fields, the star alignment, etc. But in the 12th or 13th century, the church was reaching out to try to get more people to join and they selected December 25th because it was the traditional day to honor the "Sun God." Since people were used to celebrating that day anyway, the church felt like it would be easier to hop on the back of that celebration than to build another one in the spring. So while you're pushing CHRISTmas in other people's faces, maybe you should wipe the mud off your face.
More theological input from our resident Bible scholar.Oldtimer said:Disagreeable said:I saw an interesing show on the History Channel recently. Did you know that historians don't believe December 25 is actually Jesus's birthday? They mostly agree that he was born in the springtime. You know, shepherds in the fields, the star alignment, etc. But in the 12th or 13th century, the church was reaching out to try to get more people to join and they selected December 25th because it was the traditional day to honor the "Sun God." Since people were used to celebrating that day anyway, the church felt like it would be easier to hop on the back of that celebration than to build another one in the spring. So while you're pushing CHRISTmas in other people's faces, maybe you should wipe the mud off your face.
I've watched some of the History Channel shows, which got me interested in reading a lot on the subject of the Bible, the Dead Sea Scrolls and the forgotten books of old scripture-- and the most interesting part is the different versions and variations of the Bible-- and of which old scriptures were included by church leaders and which were NOT included-- and the possible reasons and politics of the time for why they were not included...
I think the most interesting is the Book of Mary-- which could no way fit into the church leaders politics of the time that believed men were far superior to women.....
Red Robin said:I guess I fail to see your point. There hasn't been much sun god worship lately. Christmas is recognized world wide as a celebration of Christ's birth. That's why Jews and Muslims, etc that are devout , don't celebrate.
Are you implying that when they say happy holidays, they are rejecting the sun god worship?
You usually are sharper than the position you've taken here. You're barely cognitive.
That's the first reasonably intelligent post you've ever made. We may be making progress. Now we'll try to work on you sitting in your chair instead of convulsing on the floor.Disagreeable said:Red Robin said:I guess I fail to see your point. There hasn't been much sun god worship lately. Christmas is recognized world wide as a celebration of Christ's birth. That's why Jews and Muslims, etc that are devout , don't celebrate.
Are you implying that when they say happy holidays, they are rejecting the sun god worship?
You usually are sharper than the position you've taken here. You're barely cognitive.
Obviously if you don't get my point, I'm not making sense. ROTFLMAO!
Red Robin said:Are you implying that when they say happy holidays, they are rejecting the sun god worship?
Maybe there's another point. If the leftists can prove that Christ was born around Easter, than Christmas and Easter can be combined (Eastmas ?) and Christmas as we know it can be elimated altogether.aplusmnt said:Red Robin said:Are you implying that when they say happy holidays, they are rejecting the sun god worship?
Good point, intent is the issue here. Why do people say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas? It is because they are rejecting Christianity in general not that they question the validity of the exact day it is celebrated.
The early Christian Church did not celebrate the birth of Jesus. In some places, such as Egypt, the date of the birth of Jesus had evolved from pre-Christian, pagan customs favouring the 6th of January. However, there was no early consensus. Clement of Alexandria, writing in the second century, suggested that Jesus was born in November; others, in Egypt, favoured the 25th of Pachons (May) or the 24th (or 25th) of Pharmuthi (April). Another chronologist, in about 243 AD, favoured March 28th. Pope Julius I (337-352) finally settled the matter in 350 AD. About 200 years later, in 525 AD, the astrologer-priest Dionysus Exiguous calculated Jesus’ birth and designated that year as “1 AD”. The use of AD (Ann Domin -- in the year of the Lord’s birth) soon replaced AUC (Ann Urbis Condetae -- in the year of the building of the city of Rome) in the Roman calendar.
Towards the end of the fourth century, the Church moved the birthday of Jesus from the commemoration of the baptism on the 6th of January, to the 25th of December. The reason why the Christian fathers made the change was because it was the custom of the pagans to celebrate the birth of the sun on December 25th. From time immemorial the birthday of the sun had been celebrated on this day, with great rejoicing in many lands. In 274 AD the Roman emperor, Aurelian, who was anxious to replace Roman polytheism with sun worship, declared the 25th of December to be the Sun’s official birthday. Christians often took part in these candlelit processions and ceremonies. The fathers of the church noted this inclination, and resolved that the true nativity should be solemnised on that day; and the festival of the Epiphany would remain on January 6th.
Oldtimer said:I really didn't think talking about the fact that the actual day of Christ's birth was unknown- and the fact that December 25th related to a pagan holiday would create that much of a uproar from the Bible thumpers-- as I thought it was pretty much an accepted fact by most the Christian religion denominations.... I know the theologians and religious instructors were discussing and teaching it 40+ years ago when I was in college......
I don't have any mud on my face, Cupcake. If you don't like it, don't read the post. KMA. :lol:Disagreeable said:I saw an interesing show on the History Channel recently. Did you know that historians don't believe December 25 is actually Jesus's birthday? They mostly agree that he was born in the springtime. You know, shepherds in the fields, the star alignment, etc. But in the 12th or 13th century, the church was reaching out to try to get more people to join and they selected December 25th because it was the traditional day to honor the "Sun God." Since people were used to celebrating that day anyway, the church felt like it would be easier to hop on the back of that celebration than to build another one in the spring. So while you're pushing CHRISTmas in other people's faces, maybe you should wipe the mud off your face.
Well said, RR. I like that new signature, too. That's an odd sounding threesome you describe. :lol:Red Robin said:I think most Christians very well know Christ wasn't born on the 25th of Dec. Who cares when the actual date was. Christmas is Dec. 25th and that is the day Christians set aside a day to enjoy the birth of Christ. If you don't like it, lump it.
Pay more attention R2.Disagreeable said:They mostly agree that he was born in the springtime. You know, shepherds in the fields, the star alignment, etc.
Well, why didn't she say so? If it's the elf that bothers her, I can fix that....reader (the Second) said:I thought she was objecting to the elf mooning the liberals as a Christmas greeting?!