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jigs

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ok, the big talk of this one counrty united like a European Union on this continent has me a bit peeved. we are already supporting Mexico by sending all the money earned by the illegal immigrants down there....

what I want to know from you Canadians, if this happened, what parts of the USA do you want to be instilled into this new nation, and what are the strongest points that we will inherit from the North. Ice, being the logical and obvious asset for our 4th of July BBQ's :wink:

and we already know that Mexico is supplying the cheap labor and booze, but I am realy interested in your inputs here.
 

Mrs.Greg

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One question...can we also pick people we want in this New Country :wink: Alberta is rich in Oil and gas and is debt free,also Alberta springs whiskey seems to be a selling point to some on here.Because we're nieghbors and very simular I like Montana,starting to get to know and respect other States,just from being on Ranchers!
 

nonothing

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how about freash water.oil.gas.lumber.fish,a respected and welcomed country by all others in the world......just a few things that may help out.....oh and hard working honest people.......visit canda sometime before you poke fun at it.....for pete's sake it is our nations flag american travlers sew on thier nap sacks,when travling abroad......
 

jigs

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well it is fun to pick on Canada, but I think in whole I respect it as a nation. I was just wanting input from another perspective.

my favorite quote has to be... "Canada, leading the world at being north of the United States"
 

Mrs.Greg

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Seriously though Jigs I love Canada and am damn proad to be Canadian,would not ever support becoming a part of the U.S.A...just like you probably feel about Canada.That does not mean I don't respect the States I definatly do,and most of the people in the States{Not sure I'd want to have Dis as a Canadian,you go ahead keep her}Its kinda of too bad you don't know more about Canada,we're a great country thats proad of our heritage.I also realize you were mostly teasing!


But about Quebec.....wanna do some province-state trading?? I get to pick the State ,you get Quebec :lol:
 

Mrs.Greg

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Silver said:
Alaska for PQ.... and I'll throw in Nfld. as a going away present for PQ! :lol:
LOL,if you did that Ft.McMurray would be full of Illegal immigrants :lol: :lol:

Jigs,I'm taking it your serious about this country thing....so when was Canada to know this was in the talks...when we had to start singing a new anthem :? I've never heard anything about this...or are you making it up to get the Canadians to react to somthing other then R-calf :D
 
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Mrs.Greg said:
Silver said:
Alaska for PQ.... and I'll throw in Nfld. as a going away present for PQ! :lol:
LOL,if you did that Ft.McMurray would be full of Illegal immigrants :lol: :lol:

Jigs,I'm taking it your serious about this country thing....so when was Canada to know this was in the talks...when we had to start singing a new anthem :? I've never heard anything about this...or are you making it up to get the Canadians to react to somthing other then R-calf :D

Mrs Greg- The concept I see the business world pushing and that your Prime Mininsters and the Presidents of the US and Mexico have met several times on is to have an EU concept over here... No borders, no country residency designation, identical currency, the countries being effectively ruled by International tribunals -NAFTA, WTO,OIE, etc. which gradually take precedence over the Constitutions of all 3 countries....The continuation of a One World Order- where Big Business dominates and the rights and power of the individual citizen are discarded.....

Heres the latest article on it :
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_3746.shtml


This one is not as good as many I have read.....
 

Mrs.Greg

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:shock: :? :x So who are the elitists? Big business?Funny,when all the talk we're hearing here is how we're going to need passports to travel to the USA,yet they want us to integrate?? Makes no sence,but then what does anymore? hmmm,this does not impress me at all,can't you guys just take Quebec and Newfoundland and be happy?We wouldn't have the language problams anymore that way :p And I'm talking both provinces...have you ever heard a newfie talk,its not English...LOL
 

jigs

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I really believe that it is a world vision that the "powers that be" have where we will unite in a fashion similar to the EU, however I think we would get along better than the Eu, with the exception of Mexico and the corruption down there, it makes Washington DC look good!!

I am not at all in favor of it, but think my kids or grndkids will be looking it square in the eye.....
 
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jigs said:
I really believe that it is a world vision that the "powers that be" have where we will unite in a fashion similar to the EU, however I think we would get along better than the Eu, with the exception of Mexico and the corruption down there, it makes Washington DC look good!!

I am not at all in favor of it, but think my kids or grndkids will be looking it square in the eye.....

Under this SPP (Security and and Prosperity Partnership of North America) all law enforcement would be combined into one agency- under one set of laws...The one thing I haven't got clear yet, is who is going to be making these "equal" laws...Do we give up our constitution and government of a republic to be governed by a Dictatorship Triumverate headed by John Tyson or Paul Wolfowitz :???: Every time we sign a new treaty or agreement we give up some of our national sovereignty- and every day we are giving up more of our individual and states rights in the name of global trade :( :mad: - a good example is the mandatory NAIS proposal...

Mrs. Greg- 20 years from now if you get caught speeding instead of smiling nicely and winking at the cute mountie- you may be doling over the graft cash to a Mexican Policia :wink: :roll:
 
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NAFTA highway faces uncertain future



By Mike Sunnucks

The Business Journal of Phoenix

Updated: 7:00 p.m. CT July 16, 2006

MSNBC



A proposed business-backed superhighway link between Arizona, Mexico and Canada is running into skepticism about whether it actually will be built and worries that it will result in more U.S. and Mexican job losses to China.



The planned Canamex corridor is a one of a series of so-called North American Free Trade Agreement superhighways ballyhooed as improving trade and transportation links between Mexico, Canada and the U.S. The corridor involves improving and linking highways from Mexico City and the Mexican state of Sonora through Nogales, Tucson, Phoenix, Las Vegas and Salt Lake City and north into Alberta, Canada.



Phoenix Congressman Ed Pastor, a key border state lawmaker, questions whether the superhighway will ever happen, and free-trade skeptics worry such a corridor will make it easier for Chinese goods to get into North America -- which they say could result in more U.S. and Mexican job losses to Asia.



The planned roadway would traverse Arizona via Interstates 10 and 19 and Route 93 over the Hoover Dam. Backers of Canamex include business groups and free-trade advocates. They see the corridor as a way to increase trade and tourism. Mexico and Canada are the state's top trading and tourism partners.



"It is a good idea," said Maria Luisa O'Connell, president of the Phoenix-based Border Trade Alliance.



Pastor, however, questions whether the highway link will ever be built, pointing to the lack of progress and major funding on the coordinated highway project. Canamex has been in the works since 1995.



Some states and provinces have moved forward with planning related to the corridor and improvements of some highways that will be linked to the trade route. But, more than a decade later, there has yet to be major funding or a sweeping, coordinated effort related to the project.



Pastor voted for NAFTA but now regrets that vote. He opposes business-backed free trade accords, citing concerns about job losses and the lack of environmental and labor standards in Latin American and Asian markets. He also worries about potential job losses if increased links to Mexico encourage companies to ship jobs out of the U.S.



The Phoenix congressman is a high-ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, which gives him a hand in deciding which projects get funding, and which don't. That hand could be a lot a stronger next year if Democrats win congressional elections in November.



There also are NAFTA highways planned through Texas and other Western states. Business interests -- including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce -- support those roads, arguing they will facilitate North American trade.



The Border Trade Alliance's O'Connell said Canamex has made progress in recent years, despite an increased focus on border security and not trade. She said Canamex corridor efforts also include improvements to cross-border electronic communications and technology links among NAFTA partners.



Bill Hawkins, an economist with the anti-free trade U.S. Business & Industry Council, said construction of Canamex and other NAFTA superhighways will not help spur U.S./Mexican economic growth but instead will result in more Chinese exports to North America.



Both the U.S. and Mexico have lost manufacturing, textile and other jobs to China in recent years because the Asian power offers cheap labor and a burgeoning marketplace.



"The question today is what will be in the trucks: Mexican goods or Chinese goods?" said Hawkins, whose group opposes recent free trade accords inked by the U.S. "Mexico is being skipped over for more direct trade with Asia. Mexican industry, already being battered by Chinese competition, will be hurt further."



Hawkins said China already has labor cost advantages over Mexico and the U.S., and the only advantage North American firms have is geography. He said NAFTA highways and proposed port improvements on Mexico's west coast will increase Chinese access to North America and drive more jobs across the Pacific.



O'Connell and other Canamex and NAFTA backers counter that improving transport links between Mexico and border states such as Arizona will make trade easier and encourage job growth and business investment.



Tiffany Wiazlowski, spokeswoman for the American Trucking Association, said her industry group supports the idea of improving trade links.



"ATA is supportive of the concept of developing trade corridors," said Wiazlowski, who declined to talk about Canamex or other specific projects.



Source: The Business Journal of Phoenix



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RoperAB

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If this was about China wouldnt they want to build it on the west coast?
This NAFTA highway still makes no sense to me.
 
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RoperAB said:
If this was about China wouldnt they want to build it on the west coast?
This NAFTA highway still makes no sense to me.

Got to have the product offloaded in Mexico first- avoid the dockworkers and longshoremens unions- and avoid any US import duties or tariffs on Chinese products...Mexico is the same route the Packers will use shuttling the cheap South American beef into the US and Canada and passing off as US product.....Once its in Mexico it has free and unhindered access north thanks to NAFTA.... :(
 

Brad S

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Perhaps the North American trade zone is analagous to the EU, but the countries in Europe don't trade soverignty and neither will we. North America had better work the bugs out of our trade very soon because the EU would love to money whip smaller economies and this especially includes the US. You Canadians know that US trade can be heavy handed, but the EU will ruthlessly dominate trade if/when they can. If you pay attention to Europe, this is what they were whispering about when they adopted the Euro. Fact is the hardest working country in Europe is a bunch of slackers compared to the laziest North American country, and the Euros are quite envious of the standard of living afforded by North American hard work and innovation.

Corruption in Mexico is really the biggest impediment to a NAFTZ, and there may not be an easy answer for that. This new guy may be positive.

I would like to see the I35 corrider be shifted to very efficient railroad system hauling continers to truck docks up and down the corrider.. The US has shamefully let our rail system atrophy, but rail transport offers a viable response to energy shortages - to say nothing of pollution and road safety.
 

RoperAB

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Well when this was first posted on Bull session a while back I made my oppinion quite clear and I sure havnt changed it.
This Nafta highway makes no sense.
The EU doesnt work.
There is never going to be a EU style union in North America in my life time<im 37 YO>. Nobody wants it up here.
NAFTA was good when it was a simple free trade agreement between US/Canada. Then you messed it up by including all these third world countries and I think its a mistake for us to be trading especially with Communist China.
Some of you worry about stuff thats never going to happen and I dont just mean on this thread.
 
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Brad S said:
Corruption in Mexico is really the biggest impediment to a NAFTZ, and there may not be an easy answer for that. This new guy may be positive.

I would like to see the I35 corrider be shifted to very efficient railroad system hauling continers to truck docks up and down the corrider.. The US has shamefully let our rail system atrophy, but rail transport offers a viable response to energy shortages - to say nothing of pollution and road safety.

I agree Brad- Corruption in Mexico is one of the major issues that has kept NAFTA from working, and it has done little in helping raise the standard of living in Mexico like proponents said it would...

As far as the railroads- We are on a main line of BNSF (old Great Northern)...They have been increasing employees and trains incredibly over the last 2-3 years...The eastern Montana Division are hiring and training new people daily, with many starting in $70K-$100K jobs, and adding new trains...A lot of it is because of energy prices since many of the trains are hauling coal out of southern Montana and Wyoming- but a lot is container cars going from west coast to east coast...This and the oilfields jobs have created a manpower shortage (for good workers) in some areas...

There is a lot of talk about building another complete rail system next to the present one... Don't know if it will come to be....
 
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Red China Opens NAFTA Ports in Mexico



by Jerome R. Corsi

Human Events Online

Posted Jul 18, 2006



The Port Authority of San Antonio has been working actively with the Communist Chinese to open and develop NAFTA shipping ports in Mexico.



The plan is to ship containers of cheap goods produced by under-market labor in China and the Far East into North America via Mexican ports. From the Mexican ports, Mexican truck drivers and railroad workers will transport the goods across the Mexican border with Texas. Once in the U.S., the routes will proceed north to Kansas City along the NAFTA Super-Highway, ready to be expanded by the Trans-Texas Corridor, and NAFTA railroad routes being put in place by Kansas City Southern. Kansas City Southern’s Mexican railroads has positioned the company to become the “NAFTA Railroad.”



Right now, the cost of shipping and ground transportation can nearly double the total cost of cheap goods produced by Chinese and Far Eastern under-market labor. The plan is to reduce those transportation costs by as much as 50% by using Mexican ports.



Cost-savings will be realized by bringing the goods into the U.S. at mid-continent. Equally important is that the substantially reduced cost of using Mexican labor in the ports and to transport the goods once off-loaded. Mexican workers undercut Longshoremen Union port employees on the docks of Los Angeles and Long Beach, just as Mexican truck drivers undercut the Teamsters and Mexican railroad workers undercut United Transportation Union railroad workers. By using the Mexican ports, the international corporations managing this global trade are able to avoid the U.S. labor union workers who otherwise would unload the ships in west coast ports and transport the Asian containers into the heart of America by U.S. truckers or U.S. railroad ground transport moving east across the Rocky Mountains.



In April 2006, officials of the Port Authority of San Antonio traveled to China with representatives of the Free Trade Alliance San Antonio, the Port of Lazaro Cardenas, and Hutchinson Port Holdings to develop the Mexican ports logistics corridor. The goal of the meetings in China was described by the March 2006 e-newsletter of the Free Trade Alliance San Antonio:



In January of 2006, a collaboration of several logistics entities in the U.S. and Mexico began operation of a new multimodal logistics corridor for Chinese goods entering the U.S. Market. The new corridor brings containerized goods from China on either Maersk or CP Ships service to the Mexican Port of Lazaro Cardenas. There, the containers are off loaded by a new world class terminal operated by Hutchinson Ports based in Hong Kong. The containers are loaded onto the Kansas City Southern Railroad de Mexico where they move in-bound into the U.S. The containers clear U.S. customs in San Antonio, Texas and are processed for distribution.



Hutchinson Whampoa, a diversified company that manages property development and telecommunications companies, with operations in 54 countries and over 200,000 employees worldwide, is also one of the world’s largest port operators. Hutchinson Ports Holding (HPH) owns Panama Ports Co., which operates the ports of Cristobal and Balboa which are located at each end of the Panama Canal. HPH also operates the industrial deepwater port of Lazaro Cardenas in the Mexican State of Michoacan, as well as the Mexican port at Manzanillo, also along the west coast of Mexico, north of Lazaro Cardenas.



The Free Trade Alliance San Antonio was created in 1994 to promote the development of San Antonio’s inland port. The Free Trade Alliance San Antonio and the Port Authority of San Antonio are both members of NASCO, an acronym for the group’s formal name, the North American’s SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc. A Kansas City Star newspaper article posted on the website of the Kansas City SmartPort, another NASCO member, shows the importance of San Antonio’s inland port to the developing NAFTA Super-Highway and NAFTA railroad corridor emerging along Interstate I-35. According to reporter Rick Alm, San Antonio envisions the opening of a Mexican customs office in their inland port, a move that has been pioneered by Kansas City SmartPort:



Under this area’s arrangement [establishing a Mexican customs facility in the Kansas City SmartPort], freight would be inspected by Mexican authorities in Kansas City and sealed in containers for movement directly to Mexican destinations with fewer costly border delays. The arrangement would become even more lucrative when Asian markets that shipped through Mexican ports were figured into the mix. “We applaud the efforts of Kansas City and the Mexican government in developing a Mexican customs facility there,” said Jorge Canavati, marketing director for Kelly USA [former name for San Antonio’s inland port established on the former site of Kelly Air Force Base]. He said a Mexican customs function for KellyUSA “is something that is still far away … We may be looking at that” in the future.



A world map on the North American Inland Ports Network (NAIPN) on the NASCO website graphically highlights in yellow the trade routes from China across the Pacific ocean, to Mexico at the ports of Manzanillo and Lazaro Cardenas, entering the U.S. through San Antonio.



A Free Trade Alliance San Antonio 2005 summary of goals and accomplishments documents the direct involvement of the Bush administration into the development of San Antonio’s inland port NAFTA plans. The following were among the bulleted points:



Organized four marketing trips to Mexico and China to promote Inland Port San Antonio and met with prospects. Met with over 50 prospects/leads during these trips.

Continued to pursue cross border trucking by advocating a pilot project with at least two major Mexican exporters as potential subjects. Worked with U.S. Department of Transportation, Dept. of Homeland Security and U.S. Trade Representative on this concept.

Working with Mexican ports to develop new cargo routes through the Ports of Manzanillo and Lazaro Candenas.

San Antonio is on the route of the Trans-Texas Corridor planned to be built along I-35 from Laredo, Tex., on the Mexican Border, north through Dallas, en route to the Oklahoma border.

The development of a China-Mexico trade route reflects a fundamental shift since the passage of NAFTA. At the peak in the mid-1990s, there were some three thousand maquiladoras located in northern Mexico, employing over 1 million Mexicans in low-paying, assembly sweat-shops. Today, even Mexican labor is not cheap enough for the international corporations seeking only to maximize profits. According to the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, that bubble has burst and the maquiladora activity is down over 25 percent from the peak as the international corporations have found even cheaper labor in China.



As the Port of San Antonio evidences, linking NAFTA inland ports with NAFTA super-highways and NAFTA railroads is an important part of the development plan for the emerging global free trade economy. San Antonio officials by working with the communist Chinese to open Mexican ports for NAFTA trade evidence that plan. International capitalists are now determined to exploit cheap Mexican labor, not so much for manufacturing and assembly, but as a means of saving port and transportation costs in the North American market.



The Bush Administration seems on-board with the plan, aiming to increase corporate capital gains in NAFTA markets rather than worrying about the adverse consequences to Mexican low-skilled workers or to the U.S. labor movement that transferring increasing amounts of manufacturing and assembly to China entails.





Mr. Corsi is the author of several books, including "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry" (along with John O'Neill), "Black Gold Stranglehold: The Myth of Scarcity and the Politics of Oil" (along with Craig R. Smith), and "Atomic Iran: How the Terrorist Regime Bought the Bomb and American Politicians." He is a frequent guest on the G. Gordon Liddy radio show. He will soon co-author a new book with Jim Gilchrist on the Minuteman Project.





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