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Mexican vigilantes (citizens)

Steve

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Seems Mexico has the same attitude towards citizens as the US government does.. they can't protect and provide a safe secure community,.. but get all bent out of shape when citizens want to defend themselves..



Armed men belonging to the Self-Defense Council of Michoacan, (CAM), stands guard at checkpoint at the entrance of Antunez, Mexico, Tuesday, Jan. 14, 2014. The Mexican government moved in to quell violence between vigilantes and a drug cartel

APATZINGAN, Mexico (AP) — Mexican soldiers and federal police kept a tense standoff with vigilantes Tuesday after a new government campaign to stop violence in western Michoacan state turned deadly.

There were widely varying reports of casualties. Associated Press journalists saw the bodies of two men reportedly killed in a clash that began late Monday between soldiers and townspeople in Antunez and spoke with the family of a third man that said he also died in the incident.

The clash occurred as the government sent more troops to the so-called Tierra Caliente, where the vigilantes have been fighting the Knights Templar cartel. The government on Monday had called on the self-defense groups to disarm.

ah dude,. how about disarming the drug cartel first?

The deadly confrontation in Antunez started late Monday after townspeople were called to meet a convoy of soldiers, who they were told were coming to disarm the self-defense group.
Witnesses said the civilian group did not carry guns, but as they blocked the military convoy, some soldiers fired into the crowd.


On Monday, Osorio Chong said federal forces would take over security in the zone around Apatzingan. He asked the vigilantes to put down their weapons and said laws against bearing arms would now be strictly enforced.


more at http://www.dawn.com/news/1080483/mexican-troops-in-deadly-clash-with-vigilantes

Early Tuesday, a military convoy arrived in the community of Cuatro Caminos to seize weapons from vigilantes who had routed gangsters from the area, militia spokesman Estanislao Beltran told AFP.

“We will never give up our weapons,”

my prayers to the citizens of Mexico.. lets hope the federal troops come to their senses and stop trying to disarm the "law abiding" citizens.
 

Steve

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iwannabeacowboy said:
Any bets on who controls the federales?

my guess is follow the money..

so who has more..law abiding citizens of Mexico.. or the drug cartels.

after that it comes down to fear.. of who is the most powerful and who could be the most powerful..

right now the government is the most powerful, . and is able to just keep the country from sliding into an abyss. the drug cartels operate with impunity and the government is not powerful enough to keep them under-control.. in fact the government is barely able to keep them from taking over..

but the citizens.. the meek.. can easily see they have a power over both.. and with a show of force can take back their country..

the individual politicians may fear the cartel.. but the government fears the people..
 

Steve

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put simply Mexico wouldn't have a drug problem if we didn't have so many dopes.

the drug war, the war on poverty, .. any war ran by our politicians is pretty much a failure..

it is time for the people to take over and take responsibility..

The political economy of Mexico's drug war.

THE MEXICAN drug war is a killing machine. The level of violence and slaughter is similar to conventional warfare. In just six years, 70,000 people have been killed, but some estimate the number is a staggering 120,000.1 More than 20,000 people have disappeared and a quarter of a million have been displaced.2 A major investigation into narcofosas(mass graves) in Mexico by the magazine Milenio found the corpses of 24,000 people.3 Entire cities and towns have erupted into war zones chock-full with military checkpoints and drug cartel roadblocks. Armed with military grade weapons including grenade launchers, the drug gangs are an equal match for Mexican soldiers and police. Drug cartel sicarios (assassins), the military, and police have committed atrocities and violated human rights countless times. Dismembered body parts are left on streets and found decomposing in barrels of acid. Dead bodies with mouths duct taped shut hang from busy commuter bridges. Women are raped and murdered with impunity, and journalists who expose law enforcement corruption are kidnapped and killed. The drug war takes no prisoners.

The drug warriors in Mexico are junior partners in the war on drugs. It is on the other side of the border, thousands of miles away in Washington, DC and Langley, Virginia where the senior partners call the shots. The drug warriors in the White House, the Congress, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) have blood on their hands, too. For almost a century, American politicians and federal antidrug agencies have dictated drug policy to their neighbor.

In order to enforce Prohibition, the American state created new law enforcement agencies that over time have become politically and financially invested in the continuation of prohibitionist drug policies (as well as the continuation of those activities they are ostensibly designed to prohibit), despite their demonstrable failure.

The political economy of the war on drugs
A number of economic and political factors colluded over decades to make Mexico a major drug cultivating and exporting country. A critical factor that allowed the drug trade in Mexico to not only grow and survive but to expand is the central involvement of the Mexican state. The sheer size of the drug economy, the role it plays in keeping the country financially solvent, and the insatiable greed and corruption of government officials guaranteed that prohibition could never completely succeed.

For seventy-one years, Mexico was controlled by the Partido Revolucionario Institucional (Institutional Revolutionary Party, or PRI). Ties between the PRI and illegal drug traders began in the first half of the twentieth century during Prohibition, and by the end of World War II the relationship between drug traffickers and the ruling party had solidified.21 The PRI viewed the illegal drug trade as a source of profits, patronage, and power. It created a durable political, police, and military infrastructure that enabled drug traffickers to cultivate, manufacture, and distribute cocaine, heroin, and marijuana for export to the United States. The PRI and the Dirección Federal de Seguridad (DFS), a domestic secret police organization modeled on the CIA and FBI, created and controlled the plaza system. The system operated by establishing “[t]ransportation routes and territories controlled by specific cartels in collusion with police, military and government officials.
http://isreview.org/issue/90/political-economy-mexicos-drug-war

I do not condone drug use..

but most of the arguments against are total bunk..

for example.. marijuana is a gateway drug..

does anyone realize what these kids are doing.. they can't get beer. but they can get Marijuana.. but it is to expensive.. so for a few bucks.. they can get ecstasy,, miaow, or heroin

the latest.. (and I am probably way off calling it the latest) is Miaow or "plant food" club names for Mephedrone

(Mephedrone has nothing to do with methadone, an opioid painkiller.)

so if you see a kid with a sudden interest in gardening.. you are probably seeing a kid with a drug problem.

Then, with increased doses you'd expect to see adverse effects, as with other stimulants, such as teeth-grinding, anxiety, saucer-sized pupils – and in the worst cases you might see paranoia and hallucinations. Little is known for certain about what it would do in the long-term, since it has only been around for a couple of years.

nope marijuana isn't a gateway.. chemical crap is.. mainly because kids can't get or afford booze and other drugs.

all we have done with prohibition is turn kids away from one bad drug to another far more dangerous drug..


if my kid drank a beer or two,. and got drunk a time or two,.. I would be concerned.. and we would have one hell of a talk, (like we did)

if he tried pot.. again.. a bit more concern.. and more then just a talk.. way more..

but these other drugs.. meth, crack, ecstasy, plant food, heroin

and he may not be here to yell at..








BTW heroin locally is less then the cost of a six pack of beer.. in fact it is cheaper then a beer bought in a club...

our police now carry Narcan on their belts. it is that bad..
 

mrj

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I don't know the answers, other than family training, to help with the war on drugs.

It does seem that stopping the glamorization of drug use, even laughing about it as I've seen lately even on FOX, sorry to say, makes it seem acceptable to some people. Glossing over the effects of abuse on those who can't control themselves isn't helping, is it?

Is anyone concerned that the link to the stories demonstrating and demanding the 'war' be ended, and drugs legalized is touted so strongly by a Socialist organization determined to alter this nation dramatically in opposition to our Constitution and person Freedoms and Responsibilities which made it great????

Reading articles on the site to see just what International Socialist Review is promoting, it is chilling at the least, to see the level of pitting workers against 'evil' business owners, poor against rich, and more.

mrj
 

Mike

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"Superfly" was a movie glorifying the selling of drugs and the easy money that could be made selling it. Things kinda went downhill from there.
 

Steve

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MRJ said:
I don't know the answers, other than family training, to help with the war on drugs.

in my humble opinion the family and church is about all that can prevent drug use..

it doesn't mean a kid from a rotten family with no church upbringing can't beat the odds.. because they can and do everyday..

but for them someone else stepped in.... a coach, friend, teacher, GOD,.. but one thing I know for sure,.. the government's plan is a failure..

left alone to our own vises people tend to devolve,..
 

Steve

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A friend of mine once said we shouldn't send crack addicts to jail..

we should send them back to school.. cause once the kids saw how (bad words) they turned out few would ever start..
 

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