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Michelle Tops Cindy

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Anonymous

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If the election were held today, Obama would beat McCain 48% to 39%--that is, Michelle Obama would beat Cindy McCain. While Sen. Obama's wife has been the subject of vicious attacks about her patriotism, her racism, etc., it hasn't hurt her much according to an ABC News/Washington Post poll. Michelle has a huge (65%) lead among black women but also a small (4%) lead among white women. Cindy McCain hasn't been in the news much but she could be in the future. Cindy, who inherited something like $100 million from her beer-distributor father, was addicted to prescription drugs which she later stole. She also had a business relationship with Charles Keating, the crooked banker who swindled thousands of people out of their life savings and went to federal prison for it. Almost nobody knows this but if the Republicans go after Michelle, Democratic 527 groups have plenty of material to work with concerning Cindy.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Todays Updated Poll Results:

Electoral Votes
Obama 344 McCain 194

Senate Seats:
Senate Dem 56 GOP 44

House Seats:
House Dem 238 GOP 197
 

jigs

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if Obama wins, this country is doomed. that SOB has no idea of what to do to get this country back to the lead role it has played for 100 years.

and some one needs to smack his bitch of a wife and send her ass back in the kitchen to fetch me a beer.


this country went to hell when we let women vote!
 

Larrry

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Since OT is such a fan of polls

Let's start our own poll, Should OT

1 Grow up
2 Fix Fence
3 Have another drink so the Alchy doesn't wear off
4 Play on the computer and let the wife bring the bacon home
5 Tell stories of how good he used to be at LE and how he was loved
6 Bash Bush(Pi$$ and moan)


You can't pick #6 because he is gonna do that anyway
 

kolanuraven

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jigs said:
if Obama wins, this country is doomed. that SOB has no idea of what to do to get this country back to the lead role it has played for 100 years.

and some one needs to smack his bitch of a wife and send her ass back in the kitchen to fetch me a beer.


this country went to hell when we let women vote!


:lol: :lol: :lol: She'd beat you like a rented mule!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

hopalong

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kolanuraven said:
jigs said:
if Obama wins, this country is doomed. that SOB has no idea of what to do to get this country back to the lead role it has played for 100 years.

and some one needs to smack his bitch of a wife and send her ass back in the kitchen to fetch me a beer.


this country went to hell when we let women vote!


:lol: :lol: :lol: She'd beat you like a rented mule!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Look at the aSS that just brayed :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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jigs said:
this country went to hell when we let women vote!

I guess you'll have to blame those strong western women- as the western states were some of the first to give women voting rights....

The territory of Wyoming is the first to grant unrestricted suffrage to women in 1869. In 1883 Women in the Washington territory are granted full voting rights. And in 1916, Jeannette Rankin of Montana became the first women elected to Congress. She was also the only person to vote against both the entry of the United States into World War I and World War II...


I'm not a moveon.org fan-- but they are getting lots of miles with the mothers and grandmothers of this country out of this ad- must play it 10-15 times a day on every major channel- and converting lots of women voters away from McSame...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS-LYtEFHjo
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
jigs said:
this country went to hell when we let women vote!

I guess you'll have to blame those strong western women- as the western states were some of the first to give women voting rights....

The territory of Wyoming is the first to grant unrestricted suffrage to women in 1869. In 1883 Women in the Washington territory are granted full voting rights. And in 1916, Jeannette Rankin of Montana became the first women elected to Congress. She was also the only person to vote against both the entry of the United States into World War I and World War II...


I'm not a moveon.org fan-- but they are getting lots of miles with the mothers and grandmothers of this country out of this ad- must play it 10-15 times a day on every major channel- and converting lots of women voters away from McSame...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS-LYtEFHjo

Perhaps but a lot of the women supporting Clinton are heading into McCains camp! :D :D
 

hopalong

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Oldtimer said:
jigs said:
this country went to hell when we let women vote!

I guess you'll have to blame those strong western women- as the western states were some of the first to give women voting rights....

The territory of Wyoming is the first to grant unrestricted suffrage to women in 1869. In 1883 Women in the Washington territory are granted full voting rights. And in 1916, Jeannette Rankin of Montana became the first women elected to Congress. She was also the only person to vote against both the entry of the United States into World War I and World War II...


I'm not a moveon.org fan-- but they are getting lots of miles with the mothers and grandmothers of this country out of this ad- must play it 10-15 times a day on every major channel- and converting lots of women voters away from McSame...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS-LYtEFHjo

Perhaps but a lot of the women supporting Clinton are heading into McCains camp! :D :D
and youtube is one heck of a great source of what is really factual/ Come old Whiner is that the best you can do!
 

Goodpasture

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hopalong said:
Perhaps but a lot of the women supporting Clinton are heading into McCains camp! :D :D
No they aren't. You spend too many hours watching Faux Noise........show some evidence.......never mind, don't waste the time, it doesn't exist.
 

Larrry

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Did you hear where MO was talking about eating breakfast on the VIEW and she said she ate bacon. What a play that was. You can bet thew liberal socialists will swallow her line.
The Obamas remind me of the Clintons, new crap everyday.
 

Mike

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Goodpasture said:
hopalong said:
Perhaps but a lot of the women supporting Clinton are heading into McCains camp! :D :D
No they aren't. You spend too many hours watching Faux Noise........show some evidence.......never mind, don't waste the time, it doesn't exist.


Wisconsin Democratic Delegate To Vote For McCain?
By Justin Gardner | Related entries in 2008 Election, Barack, Democrats, Independents, McCain, Republicans
Given how contentious the primary was, I understand why former Clinton supporters would vote for McCain.

However…a delegate?

From JS Online:


“I’m sure people are going to be upset with me,” said [Debra] Bartoshevich, a 41-year-old emergency room nurse from Waterford in Racine County, and convention delegate pledged to Clinton. [...]

Bartoshevich called herself a “devoted Democrat” who had never voted for a Republican for president.

“I’m on a lot of the (pro-Clinton) blogs, and so many people, male and female, feel the same way as I do,” said Bartoshevich, who was listed as a Racine County co-chair for the Clinton campaign and who traveled outside Wisconsin to volunteer for Clinton. “The Democrats jumped on this wagon of Barack Obama, and nobody really knows him.”

So Bartoshevich is a devoted Democrat, but she’ll be voting against her interests come this fall?

I guess I have to wonder if these voters sincerely think Obama is that much of a question mark. After all, he has 4 more years of legislative experience than Clinton, was able to build a campaign machine from scratch that made hers look hapless and his general election ground game promises to be even more impressive.

Honestly, I don’t think Bartoshevich thought this one through, because within days of hearing her decision, Wisconsin Dems acted…


At the state Democratic Party convention, party members, including Clinton supporters, unanimously passed a resolution asking the national party not to seat Bartoshevich at the Denver convention. [...]

Another pledged Clinton delegate, Paula Dorsey of Milwaukee, offered the resolution.

Dorsey said trying to expel her fellow Democrat from the party’s convention “hurts my soul and it hurts my heart,” but it is the party’s presumptive nominee, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), whom convention delegates must support.
 
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McCain: Wooing Women?
Thursday, June 19, 2008
John McCain has been noisily courting women Hillary Clinton supporters (both directly, and through Carly Fiorina), but this strategy might not work, especially considering how little support he is getting from Republican women.

Take Harriet Stinson, the 82-year-old founder of Republicans for Choice. She has been a staunch Republican for 60 years, but she finally crossed over and registered as a Democrat. “I couldn’t take it anymore.” On women’s issues like birth control and sex education, McCain “couldn’t be worse. … he’s all against big government, and he wants big government … to get involved in the most private decision women can make. And a lot of women have no clue on how he is on this.” “If McCain is so against abortion,” she asks, “why does he oppose all the measures needed to reduce the need for it — making insurance companies cover contraceptives, federal funding for birth control and comprehensive sex education?”

And she isn’t the only Republican woman who is turned off by McCain. We’ve already mentioned Susan Eisenhower, the granddaughter of Republican president Dwight Eisenhower, who announced that she is supporting Obama over McCain. ”The war issue is a strong one … as lower-income, middle-American families are taking a disproportionate share of the burden. … It really touches the lives of women who are left behind while their husbands are deployed overseas and families who have lost a loved one.”

There is also Jillian Manus-Salzman, a major Republican activist and big donor, who says “I cannot vote for McCain. I cannot.” She has not yet formally endorsed Obama, but she says ”I would have had a hard time selling Republican women on Hillary Clinton. But selling Republican women on Barack Obama is a whole different story. They don’t see him as a partisan. My instinct, as a woman, is that this is a truly special person who respects women, who will listen to our voice and use women to rejuvenate and resurrect this country.”

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/18/MNS211BBRL.DTL
 

Goodpasture

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Mike said:
Goodpasture said:
hopalong said:
Perhaps but a lot of the women supporting Clinton are heading into McCains camp! :D :D
No they aren't. You spend too many hours watching Faux Noise........show some evidence.......never mind, don't waste the time, it doesn't exist.
So Bartoshevich is a devoted Democrat, but she’ll be voting against her interests come this fall?
Yep, that represents a LOT doesn't it?
 

fff

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Hillary is going on the road from Obama. With her active support, most of her women supporters will go with Obama. And if he offers her the VP slot..... But even without her, the latest polls show him up big time over McCain. Obama's problems aren't with the people who have been supprting Hillary and voted in the primaries or caucus. His problems are going to be with the general public in the general election. Racism is not dead in this country.
 
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Jeffrey Hart, a former speechwriter for Reagan and editor of National Review, a leading conservative journal, predicted that Obama could win the election “handily”. It was time to lift the “curse” that had befallen America after Abraham Lincoln’s assassination in 1865, he argued. “I don’t regard Bush as a conservative, but as a radical and an incompetent one at that,” Hart added. [b]“Conservatism is fact-based, prudent and com-monsensical.” [/b]

AMEN- Bush is/was no Conservative....McSame is no Conservative....




June 15, 2008

Dismayed Republicans emerge as Barack Obama supporters
Sarah Baxter

WHAT do the daughter of Richard Nixon, a speechwriter for Ronald Reagan and the son of Milton Friedman, the monetarist economist, have in common? They are all Obamacons: conservatives, Republicans and free market champions who support Barack Obama, the Democratic party nominee, for president.

The Obama campaign has a sharp-eyed political operations team tasked with seeking out prominent endorsers “on both sides of the aisle”, according to a campaign official. It came tantalisingly close to securing one of the biggest names in politics when Colin Powell, secretary of state during President George W Bush’s first term in office, said last week that he might vote for Obama.

Powell said Obama and John McCain, his Republican opponent, “have the qualifications to be president, but both of them cannot be”. He added that he would neither vote for Obama because he was African-Ameri-can nor for McCain because of his military service but for the individual who “brings the best set of tools to the problems of 21st-century America . . . regardless of party”.

His argument was echoed by Peggy Noonan, a conservative commentator who wrote woundingly in The Wall Street Journal last week that: “Mr McCain is the old America, of course; Mr Obama the new.” Although she did not explicitly back either candidate, she said: “America is always looking forward, not back, it is always in search of the fresh and leaving the tired. That’s how we started.”

The long war in Iraq, the curtailment of civil liberties and enhancement of executive power in the guise of fighting terror and profligate public spending by Bush and Congress have turned off a number of high-profile Republicans. Richard Nixon’s daughter Julie Nixon Eisenhower, who is married to a grandson of President Dwight Eisenhower and co-chairs her father’s presidential library, has donated the maximum $2,300 to Obama’s campaign.

Susan Eisenhower, her sister-in-law, is another lifelong Republican and Obamacon. “I think everybody has different reasons but I think he’s seen as a fresh start for this country, and people like what they see,” she said.
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Bruce Bartlett, the author of Impostor, an influential critique of Bush’s overspending and “betrayal” of Reagan’s legacy, said many conservatives were attracted as much by Obama’s temperament as his policies.

“He just seems like a thoughtful guy,” he said. “John McCain is not getting a lot of enthusiasm from Republicans – there is feigned enthusiasm, but there are not a lot of pure McCain Republicans out there.”
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Jeffrey Hart, a former speechwriter for Reagan and editor of National Review, a leading conservative journal, predicted that Obama could win the election “handily”. It was time to lift the “curse” that had befallen America after Abraham Lincoln’s assassination in 1865, he argued. “I don’t regard Bush as a conservative, but as a radical and an incompetent one at that,” Hart added. [b]“Conservatism is fact-based, prudent and com-monsensical.” [/b]

Reflecting on Obama’s similarities to Reagan, he said, “Both men can give a public speech which comes over on television as if they are speaking directly to you.” Hillary Clinton, Hart added, lacked their charm: “She pushes people away.”

Brink Lindsey of the Cato Institute, a libertarian free market think tank in Washington, said he was “seriously thinking of pulling the lever” for Obama in November. Although he is lukewarm about some of his policies - particularly on free trade and tax and spending - he believes that “the post-partisan, postcultural war rhetoric of Barack Obama is deeply appealing”. There is also the question of pay-back for eight years of Republican mismanagement.

“There is a good chunk of people, like myself, who believe the Republicans ought to go down in flames,” he said. “They have made a complete hash of things and they deserve to pay.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4138151.ece
 

fff

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Oldtimer said:
AMEN- Bush is/was no Conservative....McSame is no Conservative....

Don't try to pass them off as Liberals! I don't know what McCain is, but Bush is well know as a "Compassionate Conservative." Now, after almost eight years, conservatives are trying to give him away. Won't work. His entire presidency has been aided and supported by the Conservative Congress. Those people who dare scream about how "liberals will ruin this country" obviously aren't looking at what eight years of Conservative government has done. :roll:
 
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fff said:
Oldtimer said:
AMEN- Bush is/was no Conservative....McSame is no Conservative....

Don't try to pass them off as Liberals! I don't know what McCain is, but Bush is well know as a "Compassionate Conservative." Now, after almost eight years, conservatives are trying to give him away. Won't work. His entire presidency has been aided and supported by the Conservative Congress. Those people who dare scream about how "liberals will ruin this country" obviously aren't looking at what eight years of Conservative government has done. :roll:

They are NEOCONS- the new conservative- the new Republican...

Really isn't too many true conservatives left in Congress- Ron Paul for one- and many of the Blue Dog Democrat crew are much more truly conservatives than the war mongering, nation building, Big Oil, Big Corporate, Big Bureaucracy, Big Federal Government, Big Spender, Above the Law/Constitution, etc. etc. Neocons that now put themselves out to be Conservatives-- or even Republicans...

Neither Bush nor McSame fit the Republican Party I used to know.....The old conservative Republicans were to me the party of law and order- and following the Constitution- and put forward high ideals of supporting both.....
 

aplusmnt

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Oldtimer said:
I'm not a moveon.org fan-- but they are getting lots of miles with the mothers and grandmothers of this country out of this ad-

Now be honest OT, first thing in the morning you check in at Moveon.org and the Huffington post to gather your info before check out ranchers.net :wink:
 

aplusmnt

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fff said:
Oldtimer said:
AMEN- Bush is/was no Conservative....McSame is no Conservative....

Don't try to pass them off as Liberals! I don't know what McCain is, but Bush is well know as a "Compassionate Conservative." Now, after almost eight years, conservatives are trying to give him away. Won't work. His entire presidency has been aided and supported by the Conservative Congress. Those people who dare scream about how "liberals will ruin this country" obviously aren't looking at what eight years of Conservative government has done. :roll:

We do not have to push him off as anything. He is what he is, and he is no conservative! He has never been one as President not sure what his record was when he was Governor.

As for him ruining the country, many of the problems he has had to handle (some he did a good job at and some he did a bad job) can fall back on Clinton.

If Clinton would have did something to Stop Al Qaeda in his 8 years and numerous attacks Bush would not have had the 911 problem to deal with and the financial strain because of it.

If Clinton would have opened up drilling in ANWR and ALL other forbidden liberal holly ground. That oil would have already been online and gas prices would not be were they are today and we would not have to wait 8 years more to correct his mistake. And yes Supply and Demand are still the most driving reasons behind high oil prices so save the speculator argument!

If Clinton would have did something about alternative energy like Nuke power we would not have such an energy problem.

If Clinton would have secured our borders, then we would not have the illegal immigration problems we have today.

If Clinton and GORE would have did something about global warming we would have never had the financial hardships of Katrina :wink: :lol: :roll:
 
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