aplusmnt said:
Tex said:
aplus, I learned long ago that not everyone can be taught. People who don't want to learn just will not. They will resort to name calling because they just can't get the facts straight. Just because you don't know what Microsoft has or has not done doesn't mean it hasn't existed.
Microsoft has hired the people that use the rules of economics to increase their profits. They have been caught in Europe for some of these actions (anti competitive actions) that break the anti trust laws but enforcement in the U.S. has been much slower, partly due to uninformed people like you. Ignorance has its price.
Microsoft has also had to "adjust" some of its operating practices in the U.S. because of some enforcement actions here and some were spurred by the Europeans.
One of the things I don't like about the Microsofts is that you buy a product, use it for a time, and then have to buy the "new" updated product that isn't really all that new. You have to get the upgraded product because the features like others being able to read your "non" updated files has been compromised in some system and product upgrades. Other problems include the security issues that the programs have that require upgrades. I bought the program once, and I didn't think I was renting it when I bought it.
To show that your intelligence goes beyond calling someone a "liberal", do a little research on the above and explain how some of the policies of Microsoft have given them "value" or money when they were the ones at fault. Explain how they tried to corral access to the internet through their proprietary program Explorer. Explain how Microsoft was called on their anticompetitive practices in Europe and whether or not they were able to get away with it because of non enforcement or delay of enforcement of anti trust laws here in the U.S.
Of course it is always easier to sit back and call names when you don't know what you are talking about.
You end up worshiping money and principals over principles and not even knowing the difference.
Tex
I know of them things you are talking about, I am not an expert on the morality of their company but that has very little to do with our discussion on taxing them.
Actually if they are as bad as you stated above, then you should welcome them leaving our country!
The discussion is about a company being taxed to death to the point they take their business out of the country.
What you are trying to talk about now is taxing them more because they are a dishonest company. I do not see it that way, I have no problem with them being fined, I have no problem with them being sent to prison and given the death penalty for crimes. But to try to justify taxing them more because you do not like their business practices is stupid. Taxes are not meant to be a punishment for anything they are meant to pay our fair share of the bills to run this country.
To try to justify taxation because you do not like the morality of a company is stupid! Especially considering the fact that the company will not pay the tax they will pass it along to the consumer, so in essence you want to tax Microsoft to punish them, but you end up punishing all of us instead! How smart is that? :roll:
You know, Aplus, I don't like a whole lot of taxes but they are a necessary evil. Someone has to pay for the things our nation spends.
Do you want that someone to be you while the Microsofts of the world just move their corporate headquarters to another country? Think about it.
I don't want you to think that I am in favor for taxes carte blanche. I think everyone should be wary of taxes because taxes are the money government takes from the people to do their job. The hurt of paying taxes should keep politicians from raising them and be an incentive for them running the country more efficiently.
Letting other countries keep from paying taxes in our country but having the markets in our country is just a plain old stupid tax I don't want to pay but you seem to advocate. If you want to pay it, then keep advocating what you do.
I do look at Microsoft not just in taxes that they pay but also "taxes" that they are able to put on an economy through market power. It has helped them gather more wealth unduly from this country because we haven't had competent regulators or politicians. They buy the same blackmail argument you make.
If companies don't want to pay their taxes in this country, I say don't let them do business here, plain and simple.
I am with you on pushing the government to be more efficient. I am just not with you on allowing some to go overseas to avoid paying their fair share because of an incompetent tax and political system. If they do that, don't let them do business here. If they are saying they are going to take their marbles home and not play anymore, let them leave with their marbles but don't let them take any more benefits from the marble game.
We are going to have more problems with taxes in the future and the ultimate answer is for politicians to do a better job with the resources they get from the people, not selling out to individual businesses for campaign donations that keep this kind of thing going on. That will only make things worse on everyone else. Shifting tax burdens to those without the money, income, and resources will only exacerbate the problem, not solve them.
Tex