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Might Send U.S. Troops to Take Care of 'Bad Hombres'

Steve

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President Trump Warns Mexico He Might Send U.S. Troops to Take Care of 'Bad Hombres'

(WASHINGTON) — President Donald Trump warned in a phone call with his Mexican counterpart that he was ready to send U.S. troops to stop "bad hombres down there" unless the Mexican military does more to control them.

"You have a bunch of bad hombres down there," Trump told Pena Nieto, according to the excerpt given to AP. "You aren't doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn't, so I just might send them down to take care of it."

Mexico should be part of the United States,.. it would solve a lot of problems.. But I doubt even Trump has the balls to take that fight on.
 

Faster horses

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Now Trump is telling us not to worry about his phone calls to world leaders...
"Outnumbered" on Fox News just said we need to be sure he is making the calls and saying what has been put out there.
 

Tam

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Trump might get away with telling Rahm he is going to send in the Feds to Chicago to clean up their streets but telling Mexico that same is not going to go well with other countries as he is sticking his nose into their nations issues. I agree build the wall and keep the problem from leaking into the US but going into another country is quite another thing.
 

Silver

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Steve said:
Mexico should be part of the United States,.. it would solve a lot of problems.. But I doubt even Trump has the balls to take that fight on.

I always thought Mexico should have the territory back that was actually theirs before it was taken from them. It would solve a lot of problems. 8)

Seriously though, this is scary and irresponsible talk from the leader of the free world.
 

Steve

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Silver said:
Steve said:
Mexico should be part of the United States,.. it would solve a lot of problems.. But I doubt even Trump has the balls to take that fight on.

I always thought Mexico should have the territory back that was actually theirs before it was taken from them. It would solve a lot of problems. 8)

Seriously though, this is scary and irresponsible talk from the leader of the free world.

then one would need to understand the Mexican American war...
The US army, under the command of Major General Winfield Scott, captured the capital Mexico City

they lost.

The northern area of Mexico was sparsely settled and not well controlled politically by the government based in Mexico City. After independence from Spain in 1821, Mexico contended with internal struggles that sometimes verged on civil war. In the sparsely settled interior of northern Mexico, the end of Spanish colonial rule was marked by the end of financing for presidios and for subsidies to indigenous Americans to maintain the peace.

The Apache–Mexico Wars also made Mexico's north a violent place, with no effective political control.

sound familiar,.. history repeating itself?

Mexico was not inclined nor able to negotiate. In 1846 alone, the presidency changed hands four times, the war ministry six times, and the finance ministry sixteen times.[29] Mexican public opinion and all political factions agreed that selling the territories to the United States would tarnish the national honor.[30] Mexicans who opposed direct conflict with the United States, including President José Joaquín de Herrera, were viewed as traitors.[31] Military opponents of de Herrera, supported by populist newspapers, considered Slidell's presence in Mexico City an insult. When de Herrera considered receiving Slidell to settle the problem of Texas annexation peacefully, he was accused of treason and deposed. After a more nationalistic government under General Mariano Paredes y Arrillaga came to power, it publicly reaffirmed Mexico's claim to Texas

so a weak set of leaders unable to control their country or borders was the "culprit in countless US Mexican wars and conflicts... a bit like now.

One should take a long look at history and all sides before they jump to the wrong conclusion.. so much has happened that it takes a long time to unravel it, but time and again both sides had good reasons.

Had we not just let them have their country back when we were sitting in Mexico City after a pretty devastating defeat today the border would not be an issue. We would all be free Americans.. proud of our states and proud of our country.

Desertion was a major problem for the Mexican Army, depleting forces on the eve of battle. Most soldiers were peasants who had a loyalty to their village and family, but not to the generals who had conscripted them. Often hungry and ill, under-equipped, only partially trained, and never well paid, the soldiers were held in contempt by their officers and had little reason to fight the Americans. Looking for their opportunity, many slipped away from camp to find their way back to their home village.


Outnumbered militarily and with many of its large cities occupied, Mexico could not defend itself; the country was also faced with many internal divisions, including the Caste War of Yucatán. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, signed on February 2, 1848, by American diplomat Nicholas Trist and Mexican plenipotentiary representatives Luis G. Cuevas, Bernardo Couto, and Miguel Atristain, ended the war. The treaty gave the U.S. undisputed control of Texas, established the U.S.-Mexican border of the Rio Grande, and ceded to the United States the present-day states of California, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, most of Arizona and Colorado, and parts of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Wyoming. In return, Mexico received $15 million[155] ($415 million today) – less than half the amount the U.S. had attempted to offer Mexico for the land before the opening of hostilities[156] – and the U.S. agreed to assume $3.25 million ($90 million today) in debts that the Mexican government owed to U.S. citizens.[157]

The Gadsden Purchase (known in Mexico as Spanish: Venta de La Mesilla, "Sale of La Mesilla"[1]) is a 29,670-square-mile (76,800 km2) region of present-day southern Arizona and southwestern New Mexico that the United States purchased via a treaty signed on December 30, 1853, by James Gadsden, American ambassador to Mexico at that time.

so we paid for most and later bought more... (agreed to pay so much many politicians felt it would ruin US.)

The border would not be an issue today. The last war was fought over Mexico's inability to control the violence along it's border, so if history repeats itself I won't be the least bit surprised..
 

Silver

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Thanks for going to all that trouble to round up all that useless information. For future reference, when an off the cuff statement is followed by a "seriously though" it is safe to jump to the conclusion that the preceding statement was in fact not a serious statement of fact, and should be treated accordingly.
 

Big Muddy rancher

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Silver maybe you should raise your hand when you're being sarcastic.

Prevent future mistakes of trying to educate you by people that know their history. :D
 

Steve

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Silver said:
Thanks for going to all that trouble to round up all that useless information.

History is never useless information, it is when we forget we suffer the consequences of needlessly repeating it.

It was no trouble as I like History and like doing research,.. so several minutes to help others understand it is very fulfilling and always worth the small effort it takes.

I do find it interesting our wars and conflicts with Mexico almost always resulted from them not being able to control the bad hombres..

As for Trump,.. well someone has to say what needs said. This time if we go to war i do hope fro the sake of the innocent and decent Mexicans he makes it a territory and we can get past our differences as I certainly enjoyed traveling in Mexico in the early eighties when it was relatively safe..
 

Mike

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(CNN)Here's a look at the Mexican Drug War. The Mexican government has been fighting a war with drug traffickers since December 2006. At the same time, drug cartels have fought each other for control of territory.

Facts:
President Enrique Peña Nieto, who assumed the presidency on December 1, 2012, has continued the fight started by President Felipe Calderon against the cartels and drug-related violence. A huge victory for his administration was the 2014 arrest of Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, the boss of one of Mexico's most powerful drug trafficking operations, the Sinaloa cartel.
A 2015 Congressional Research Service report estimates at least 80,000 people have been killed due to organized crime related incidents since 2006.
Mexican drug cartels take in between $19 and $29 billion annually from US drug sales.
 

Steve

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mexicohomicidegraph.jpg


Homicides in Mexico have reached a grisly milestone.

Through October 2015, Mexico had 15,466 homicide victims, but through the first 10 months of this year the country has recorded 18,839, a 21.8% increase.

Mexico had 18,673 homicide victims through all of 2015, but 2016 is on pace to see more than 22,600 — a level of bloodshed not seen since 2011, when battles between rival drug cartels raged throughout the the country.

It was declining until 2008, What happened? I thought the election of the liberal messiah was the turning point towards world peace.
 

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