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mileage tax

Trinity man

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Get really guys and gals to dig into your pocket book for the miles we drive. If this passes all of us living in the rural areas are going to get hit hard. I guess its time to park the old truck and break out the horse full time.


Oberstar makes push for mileage tax
April 28, 2009
Washington — (AP) - Rep. James Oberstar said Tuesday that he wants Congress to enact a mileage-based tax on cars and trucks to pay for highway programs now rather than wait years to test the idea.

Oberstar, D-Minn., said he believes the technology exists to implement a mileage tax. He said he sees no point in waiting years for the results of pilot programs since such a tax system is inevitable as federal gasoline tax revenues decline.

"Why do we need a pilot program? Why don't we just phase it in?" said Oberstar, the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee chairman. Oberstar is drafting a six-year transportation bill to fund highway and transit programs that is expected to total around a half trillion dollars.

A congressionally mandated commission on transportation financing alternatives recommended switching to a vehicle-miles traveled tax, but estimated it would take a decade to put a national system in place.

"I think it can be done in far less than that, maybe two years," Oberstar said at a House hearing. He was responding to testimony by Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., who recommended that the transportation bill include pilot programs in every state to test the viability of a mileage-based tax.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/04/28/oberstar_makes_push_for_mileage_tax/
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
They've obviously never been out of the city, so this appeals to them.
You know the mentality, "I'm for it, as long as it doesn't hurt me."

This is going to be really hard on truckers. So if they pay more, we pay more!!! :shock:

"When you got it, a truck brought it."
 

Big Hill

Active member
A tax like that would kill me! My job requires that I drive around 60,000 miles a year. I guess they would rather I don't work and get on a government program. That seems to be the general consensus with our legislators these days. :mad:
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
I think it's more like "they can work, but we'll get out as much as we possibly can" and since most have never held a real job, they don't know how much is too much.

One thing they do know, is giving it to the people who don't work
will be fantastic.
 

Trinity man

Well-known member
What get me is I drive about 300 miles a week doing these market reports for them. I am just a contractor for them to do these so if they want me to get the info they will have to refund this tax back to me.
I don't get any government benefits either.
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
I would rather see tolls used to pay for new highways then tax dollars..

Tax is a Tax, rather it is a mileage tax, a toll tax, or a per gallon tax.

I would rather see them cut wasteful spending and maximize the money they already have!

At some point they will tax and spend the country into bankruptcy and then who will pay for the roads?
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I would rather see tolls used to pay for new highways then tax dollars..

Tax is a Tax, rather it is a mileage tax, a toll tax, or a per gallon tax.

I would rather see them cut wasteful spending and maximize the money they already have!

At some point they will tax and spend the country into bankruptcy and then who will pay for the roads?

:agree:

People who drive more burn more gas and thus already pay more taxes.
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I would rather see tolls used to pay for new highways then tax dollars..

Tax is a Tax, rather it is a mileage tax, a toll tax, or a per gallon tax.

I would rather see them cut wasteful spending and maximize the money they already have!

At some point they will tax and spend the country into bankruptcy and then who will pay for the roads?

Maybe the Mullah Chieftains that will be controlling Iraq by then will give us our money back or build our roads for us like we did for them :???: You think :???:
Just remember when you're paying that gas tax- you're not only paying for our roads but also the debt of building the George Bush Superhighway thru Baghdad... :wink: :( :( :(
 

nonothing

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I would rather see tolls used to pay for new highways then tax dollars..

Tax is a Tax, rather it is a mileage tax, a toll tax, or a per gallon tax.

I would rather see them cut wasteful spending and maximize the money they already have!

At some point they will tax and spend the country into bankruptcy and then who will pay for the roads?

A toll is a user fee not a tax,not all have to pay it,only those who use it... I do agree there are certainly places to cut money from and stop wasteful spending.....Prisons would be an excellent place to start....
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I would rather see tolls used to pay for new highways then tax dollars..

Tax is a Tax, rather it is a mileage tax, a toll tax, or a per gallon tax.

I would rather see them cut wasteful spending and maximize the money they already have!

At some point they will tax and spend the country into bankruptcy and then who will pay for the roads?

Maybe the Mullah Chieftains that will be controlling Iraq by then will give us our money back or build our roads for us like we did for them :???: You think :???:
Just remember when you're paying that gas tax- you're not only paying for our roads but also the debt of building the George Bush Superhighway thru Baghdad... :wink: :( :( :(

And that is a small price to pay in order to send the message to would-be dictators and other trouble makers that when the US says "or else", there is an "or else". Liberals would have us be a paper tiger that would get ran over by every two-bit trouble maker in the world. Credibility has a price, OT.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
Sandhusker said:
Oldtimer said:
aplusmnt said:
Tax is a Tax, rather it is a mileage tax, a toll tax, or a per gallon tax.

I would rather see them cut wasteful spending and maximize the money they already have!

At some point they will tax and spend the country into bankruptcy and then who will pay for the roads?

Maybe the Mullah Chieftains that will be controlling Iraq by then will give us our money back or build our roads for us like we did for them :???: You think :???:
Just remember when you're paying that gas tax- you're not only paying for our roads but also the debt of building the George Bush Superhighway thru Baghdad... :wink: :( :( :(

And that is a small price to pay in order to send the message to would-be dictators and other trouble makers that when the US says "or else", there is an "or else". Liberals would have us be a paper tiger that would get ran over by every two-bit trouble maker in the world. Credibility has a price, OT.

So much for establishing Credibility :roll:

1) "My answer is bring 'em on." —President George W. Bush, challenging militants attacking U.S. forces in Iraq, July 2, 2003 (Source)

2) "I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005 (Source)

3) "As you know, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." —Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, responding to a U.S. soldier serving in Iraq who asked him why troops had to dig through scrap metal to armor vehicles, Dec. 8, 2004 (Source)

4) "My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003 (Source)

5) "F**k Saddam, we're taking him out." –President Bush to three U.S. Senators in March 2002, a full year before the Iraq invasion (Source)

6) "Ladies and gentlemen, these are not assertions. These are facts, corroborated by many sources, some of them sources of the intelligence services of other countries." –Secretary of State Colin Powell, testifying about Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons capabilities before the United Nations Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003 (Source)

7) "Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on looting in Iraq after the U.S. invasion, adding "stuff happens," April 11, 2003 (Source)

8 ) "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." –President Bush, standing under a "Mission Accomplished" banner on the USS Lincoln aircraft carrier, May 2, 2003 (Source)

9) "It's hard to conceive that it would take more forces to provide stability in post-Saddam Iraq than it would take to conduct the war itself and to secure the surrender of Saddam’s security forces and his army. Hard to imagine." –Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, testifying before the House Budget Committee prior to the Iraq war, Feb. 27, 2003 (Source)

10) "From a marketing point of view, you don't roll out new products in August." --White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, on why the Bush administration waited until after Labor Day to try to sell the American people on war against Iraq, "New York Times" interview, Sept. 7, 2002 (Source)

11) "We found the weapons of mass destruction." –President Bush, in an interview with Polish television, May 29, 2003 (Source)

12) "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, March 25, 2004 (Source)

13) "We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, when asked about weapons of mass destruction in an ABC News interview, March 30, 2003 (Source)

14) "British intelligence has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." –President Bush, 2003 State of the Union Address (Source)

15) "Already, the Kay Report identified dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations." –President Bush, 2004 State of the Union Address (Source)

16) "It's a slam-dunk case!" –CIA Director George Tenet, discussing WMD and the case for war during a meeting in the Oval Office, Dec. 21, 2002 (Source)

17) "I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are." –White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, July 9, 2003 (Source)

18) "The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on, which was weapons of mass destruction, as the core reason." --Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, "Vanity Fair" interview, May 28, 2003 (Source)

19) "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." –National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, on Iraq's nuclear capabilities and the Bush administration's case for war, Sept. 8, 2002 (Source)

20) "Had we to do it over again, we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day." —President Bush, telling Time magazine that he underestimated the Iraqi resistance, Aug. 2004 (Source)

21) "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet The Press" March 16, 2003 (Source)

22) "I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the Iraqis had nuclear weapons." –Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, June 24, 2003 (Source)

23) "In Iraq, a ruthless dictator cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them. He gave support to terrorists, had an established relationship with al Qaeda, and his regime is no more." –Vice President Dick Cheney, Nov. 7, 2003 (Source)

24) "I am not going to give you a number for it because it's not my business to do intelligent work." --Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, asked to estimate the number of Iraqi insurgents while testifying before Congress, Feb. 16, 2005 (Source)

25) "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —President Bush, discussing the Iraq war with Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson, after Robertson told him he should prepare the American people for casualties (Source)
 

Mike

Well-known member
Yes, so much for establishing Credibility..........

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
You don't get it, OT. We gave Saddam too many "or elses" to begin with. If we were to have have any future crediblity with any "or elses" with anybody in the future, we had to play the hand that we were being forced into. Saddam called our bluff. If we had liberals in the white house, we would of been bluffing and the whole would would know that we were just talkers and would act accordingly. Now they know that when we say, "Do this or we're coming in", that we WILL come in. Or, at least they know that to be true under a Republican administration.....
 

Steve

Well-known member
nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I would rather see tolls used to pay for new highways then tax dollars..

Tax is a Tax, rather it is a mileage tax, a toll tax, or a per gallon tax.

I would rather see them cut wasteful spending and maximize the money they already have!

At some point they will tax and spend the country into bankruptcy and then who will pay for the roads?

A toll is a user fee not a tax,not all have to pay it,only those who use it... I do agree there are certainly places to cut money from and stop wasteful spending.....Prisons would be an excellent place to start....

not sure if you have alot of tolls but they sure do out here in the liberal north east.. and after awhile you start seeing how much effect they have on your wallet. so much so NJ had to institute a $12 annual tax to fund upgrades to the toll collection process,.. (upgrades that were claimed to save us money)..

but take this statement.. when all factors are looked at.. including lost time and productivity, labor and equipment, and administration of toll collection.
total collection costs exceed revenue.



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aplusmnt

Well-known member
nonothing said:
aplusmnt said:
nonothing said:
I would rather see tolls used to pay for new highways then tax dollars..

Tax is a Tax, rather it is a mileage tax, a toll tax, or a per gallon tax.

I would rather see them cut wasteful spending and maximize the money they already have!

At some point they will tax and spend the country into bankruptcy and then who will pay for the roads?

A toll is a user fee not a tax,not all have to pay it,only those who use it... I do agree there are certainly places to cut money from and stop wasteful spending.....Prisons would be an excellent place to start....

It is all in the labeling, by your definition that basketball I bought my son did not have a sales tax on it, it had a user fee, my land has a user fee not property tax, if I did not buy my land and use it I would not have property tax.

There is so many ways to label things so liberals can be stooped into believing they were not taxed.

Bad thing about toll tax is it is double taxation we pay like $.40 on every gallon of gas we buy to pay for highways. And then they go and tax us again by tolls on it after they used our tax dollars to build it.
 
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