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militia groups are on the rise

garn

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No big surprise given the current state of the Country.

More inside the link: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A140QG0&show_article=1

Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.

"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.

But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.
 

alice

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Like you said...no big surprise. And, those militia groups are scary...really, really scary homegrown terrorists.

Alice
 

hypocritexposer

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ALG Blasts DHS Methodology Used in "Rightwing Extremism" Memo Revealed in Freedom of Information Response by Department

August 11th, 2009, Fairfax, VA—Americans for Limited Government President Bill Wilson today condemned the methodology used by the Department of Homeland Security in issuing a controversial “right-wing extremism” threat assessment to law enforcement in April as “complete speculation.”
 

alice

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hypocritexposer said:
ALG Blasts DHS Methodology Used in "Rightwing Extremism" Memo Revealed in Freedom of Information Response by Department

August 11th, 2009, Fairfax, VA—Americans for Limited Government President Bill Wilson today condemned the methodology used by the Department of Homeland Security in issuing a controversial “right-wing extremism” threat assessment to law enforcement in April as “complete speculation.”

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Hypocrite, do you even vet your sources or are you a member of every fringe group out there?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Limited_Government
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
ALG Blasts DHS Methodology Used in "Rightwing Extremism" Memo Revealed in Freedom of Information Response by Department

August 11th, 2009, Fairfax, VA—Americans for Limited Government President Bill Wilson today condemned the methodology used by the Department of Homeland Security in issuing a controversial “right-wing extremism” threat assessment to law enforcement in April as “complete speculation.”

Knowing where the info came form, there is no doubt that the info is "complete speculation". The Southern Poverty Law Center has been spewing trash for years and making big money off of scared black folks.
 

hypocritexposer

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alice said:
hypocritexposer said:
ALG Blasts DHS Methodology Used in "Rightwing Extremism" Memo Revealed in Freedom of Information Response by Department

August 11th, 2009, Fairfax, VA—Americans for Limited Government President Bill Wilson today condemned the methodology used by the Department of Homeland Security in issuing a controversial “right-wing extremism” threat assessment to law enforcement in April as “complete speculation.”

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Hypocrite, do you even vet your sources or are you a member of every fringe group out there?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Limited_Government


FOIA response from DHS
http://www.getliberty.org/files/09-502%20Interim%20Response%201.pdf
 

Nalen

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reader (the Second) said:
So how do militias and polarization NOT play into the hands of our enemies?

Because our enemies know that given the opportunity any member of a militia would gladly put a bullet in an Al Queida fighters head. These militias will not be violent militias. Yeah yeah yeah sure you will have some extremists that say we need a civil war and all that. Remember not all militias are about force. The smart ones are about the democratic process. Thats what they believe in. You can not liken all militias to one radical group. But mark my words. If something violent ever happens look out the government will use that opportunity to really seize power. Dont be pigeon holed stand up and let them know how you condone any violent acts against the president or the United States of America.
 

badaxemoo

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Nalen said:
Remember not all militias are about force. The smart ones are about the democratic process. Thats what they believe in.

Could you give me an example of a militia that fits the three criteria you just set?

1. not about force
2. smart
3. about the democratic process
 

Lonecowboy

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reader (the Second) said:
So how do militias and polarization NOT play into the hands of our enemies?

I can't believe you wrote that!

I will try to keep this simple so even you can understand-
lets say you wanted to invade someones home to do evil, would you pick a house where all the occupants are armed or unarmed?

OK so now say you want to invade a country, would you pick one where the occupants are armed or unarmed?

Militias are the first defense against and invading force of foreign enemies. The sheriff and local law enforcement can only do so much, and may be an hour away,National Gaurd may be hours away,
An armed citizen can be there in minutes if they are not already there.
Who better knows the terraine, than the ones who live there.
Who fights harder the invaders or the one protecting his family and property.
The last times that I know of in America of the Governor of a state calling out the citizen militia were in the 60's.
Once in Oregon, once on the east coast. Both times the Governor had information of a foreign invading force and called on the citizen militia to arm themselves and come a running. I believe it is the law in most states when the Governor calls that it is mandatory for the called upon citizens to respond.
This is the whole reason for the Second Ammendment-
that we the people be just as well armed as any invading force- either foreign or domestic.

I know R2 that this was probably another hit and run question and that you will not respond- please think about it though and do some research.
 

Lonecowboy

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Militia: The body of citizens in a state, enrolled for discipline as a military force, but not engaged in actual service except in emergencies, as distinguished from regular troops or a standing army. In order to conform to this definition, and to remain able to oppose a rebellious and disobedient government, the citizen militia must not be connected in any way with that government lest the body politic loose its fearful countenance as the only sure threat to a government bent on converting free people into slaves.

http://www.iahushua.com/T-L-J/Militia.html

here is a very good explanation at this site,
R2- the history I read in a book, I'll see if I can find it for you on the net and post you a link.
Thanks for a positive response!
 
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Lonecowboy said:
Militia: The body of citizens in a state, enrolled for discipline as a military force, but not engaged in actual service except in emergencies, as distinguished from regular troops or a standing army. In order to conform to this definition, and to remain able to oppose a rebellious and disobedient government, the citizen militia must not be connected in any way with that government lest the body politic loose its fearful countenance as the only sure threat to a government bent on converting free people into slaves.

http://www.iahushua.com/T-L-J/Militia.html

here is a very good explanation at this site,
R2- the history I read in a book, I'll see if I can find it for you on the net and post you a link.
Thanks for a positive response!

Most that called themselves militias in our state have ended up in prison- Posse Comitatus, Aryan Nations, Freemen for examples....
 

aplusmnt

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I believe militia groups will increase and I believe Timothy VcVeigh type incidents will happen in near future if Obama is not stopped.

Eventually people get fed up, that is why the First Tea Party happened, people eventually will not bend anymore.

A civil war is impossible now days, so domestic terrorism may be the way the war against Government is fought.

I believe in next few years we will see some sort of assignation attempt on someone, maybe Obama or Pelosi or someone like Barney Frank! These people are so off the wall that eventually some nut will take matters into his own hands.

I think Obama has a greater chance to be assassinated because he is such a left loon than he does for being black!

And God help them all if parents and grandparents start getting turned away due to some new Health care changes!
 

badaxemoo

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Lonecowboy said:
Militias are the first defense against and invading force of foreign enemies. The sheriff and local law enforcement can only do so much, and may be an hour away,National Gaurd may be hours away,
An armed citizen can be there in minutes if they are not already there.

Let me see if I am understanding you.

Let's say that Djibouti invades Wisconsin by dropping a squad of paratroopers in my county.

My neighbor and I will hold them off with our shotguns until the county sheriff arrives and then he and the deputies will keep them occupied until the Wisconsin National Guard arrives.

Is that what you are getting at?
 

Lonecowboy

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What was the Oregon militia’s objective? As the Oregon State Archives explains, officials expected that in the event of a Japanese invasion of the coast, the militia would “rush to control all roads leading to the coast, would attack and harass the invaders, delaying the invading activity until such time as fully equipped regular army forces could reach the point and take over." They would then engage in guerilla warfare tactics against “parachute and air-borne troops.” The objective was to delay and harass Japanese troops until U.S. Army units could be brought into position. Governor Sprague explained the value of these units: “One thing made clear in this war is the value of guerrilla fighting; and our local fighters, familiar with the terrain, can be of great value in repelling the enemy.”

While many of these groups were formally members of something called the Oregon State Guard (a militia, not part of the Oregon National Guard), there were a number of independent militia groups as well, such as the Tillamook Guerillas, and southeast Portland’s Bushwhackers. Not surprisingly, Oregon officials made some effort to bring these independent companies under some level of state supervision.

Maryland appears to have taken a similar path to Oregon—and Governor Herbert L. O’Conor gave a radio address on March 10, 1942, that is about as perfect a declaration of the value of militias as I can imagine: “The sincere hope of every person in Maryland is that our State may never experience invasion or attack. That we should consider such a thing as possible is in itself a terrible shock to the American state of mind. Nevertheless, with so much of the world overrun by the enemies of Democracy, and with the invasion of Java and New Guinea as well as other points in the Australian Archipelago fresh in our minds, we would be foolish, indeed, not to be prepared, as completely as possible, for any such happening, even here in Maryland.”

Because of the dramatic destruction of shipping by German submarines along the East Coast—with bodies and wreckage washing up on the shore daily—Governor O’Conor proposed the creation of a Reserve Militia: “The militia will be organized under our State Law, and the men who enlist at this time of our grave emergency will be known as the ‘Maryland Minute Men.’

“The mission of the Maryland Minute Men is to furnish immediately, local protection against parachute troops, saboteurs, or organized raiding parties. It is planned that the units be confined to their own communities so that there will be assurance at all times that every residential section of Maryland will have protection….

”For the present the hard-pressed Ordnance Department of the United States Army cannot be expected to furnish sufficient arms, ammunition, or equipment. Hence, the volunteers, for the most part, will be expected to furnish their own weapons.
http://www.claytoncramer.com/popular/IsTheMilitiaObsolete.htm

R2- I was wrong, it was in the 40's
lots of good info at this site too!
 

aplusmnt

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badaxemoo said:
My neighbor and I will hold them off with our shotguns until the county sheriff arrives and then he and the deputies will keep them occupied until the Wisconsin National Guard arrives.
at?

I suspect you would be the one that runs for help, while you neighbor fights them off! :wink: :lol:
 

Lonecowboy

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badaxemoo said:
Lonecowboy said:
Militias are the first defense against and invading force of foreign enemies. The sheriff and local law enforcement can only do so much, and may be an hour away,National Gaurd may be hours away,
An armed citizen can be there in minutes if they are not already there.

Let me see if I am understanding you.

Let's say that Djibouti invades Wisconsin by dropping a squad of paratroopers in my county.

My neighbor and I will hold them off with our shotguns until the county sheriff arrives and then he and the deputies will keep them occupied until the Wisconsin National Guard arrives.

Is that what you are getting at?

Not at all- read the links provided you.
How many local law enforcement does your county have? 30-40?
How many paratroopers in a squad? 100's?
How many armed American citizens does your county have? 1000's?
Get the picture?
 

badaxemoo

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aplusmnt said:
badaxemoo said:
My neighbor and I will hold them off with our shotguns until the county sheriff arrives and then he and the deputies will keep them occupied until the Wisconsin National Guard arrives.
at?

I suspect you would be the one that runs for help, while you neighbor fights them off! :wink: :lol:

I hate to tell you this aplus, but I've been in situations involving firearms that would make you wet your pants.

I had to respond to an incident at a campground once where the custodian had called it in and barricaded himself into the supply room, toilet plunger at the ready.

Was that you?
 

Lonecowboy

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I don't think the idea of a militia per se is wrong but I think the term 'militia' is used to refer to armed groups who have gripes against our Government and take the law into their own hands. I am happy to go read and find out that there are militias that are not formed to take the law into their own hands.


I believe that is because of demonization by the media-
thay take a word and turn it into some kind of trigger word:

as in MILITIA= bad, radical,Timothy Mcveigh, revolution,evil, etc.
those are the first thoughts that go through many peoples minds when they hear the word MILITIA.
When is the last time you heard a positive message on the major media about a militia?? How about just an average everyday armed American citizen saving his life or someone elses?
They only report the negative.
For too many people major media is their only source of imformation, so they are unduly influenced by all of this.
 

aplusmnt

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badaxemoo said:
aplusmnt said:
badaxemoo said:
My neighbor and I will hold them off with our shotguns until the county sheriff arrives and then he and the deputies will keep them occupied until the Wisconsin National Guard arrives.
at?

I suspect you would be the one that runs for help, while you neighbor fights them off! :wink: :lol:

I hate to tell you this aplus, but I've been in situations involving firearms that would make you wet your pants.

I had to respond to an incident at a campground once where the custodian had called it in and barricaded himself into the supply room, toilet plunger at the ready.

Was that you?

Did you take Judo with nonothing also? :roll:
 

Lonecowboy

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Oldtimer said:
Lonecowboy said:
Militia: The body of citizens in a state, enrolled for discipline as a military force, but not engaged in actual service except in emergencies, as distinguished from regular troops or a standing army. In order to conform to this definition, and to remain able to oppose a rebellious and disobedient government, the citizen militia must not be connected in any way with that government lest the body politic loose its fearful countenance as the only sure threat to a government bent on converting free people into slaves.

http://www.iahushua.com/T-L-J/Militia.html

here is a very good explanation at this site,
R2- the history I read in a book, I'll see if I can find it for you on the net and post you a link.
Thanks for a positive response!

Most that called themselves militias in our state have ended up in prison- Posse Comitatus, Aryan Nations, Freemen for examples....

See OT- here is another example of demonization.
Did each and every member of these groups commit a crime and go to prison? or did a few members of each group commit a crime and go to prison. If a baptist comits a crime does that make all baptists bad?
If a democrat comitts a crime and goes to prison does that make all democrats bad? no etc. etc.
I'm not familiar with all of these groups you mentioned, and I'm not going to research them right now but I'll be willing to wager not all of the members of these groups comitted crimes and were sent to prison.
I would be surprised if 10% did.
So is it acurate for you to say "most that call themselves militias in our state have ended up in prison?
 
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