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Milk, growth hormones, and twin births

DiamondSCattleCo

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Interesting, R2. What I would be very interested in is what the baseline read is of women who consume only hormone free beef and dairy products. If the levels of IGF are the same as the hormone laden stuff, then its simply the consumption of beef and dairy products that leads to increased IGF, versus residue left behind in the consumed products.

Rod
 
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Anonymous

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Now I can tell my wife that her carrying around 15+ lbs of twins in August heat wasn't my fault-- it was the milk and burgers she ate :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

DiamondSCattleCo

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reader (the Second) said:
You know I never paid any attention to the organic movement until my husband got sick and I realized that he had been infected through surgery and I started thinking about food, drugs, and medical treatment and the things we allow to be used without enough information on their safety.

I always used to view the organic guys as quacks, mainly because of the gloom and doom that many used to prophesize. I never gave it too much thought, because our own cattle were raised largely by organic methods (without realizing we were doing it. Its just the way we raised our stock) and other than fertilizer, our grain was largely raised organically. When my father took over the farming, we started using alot more chemicals, but mostly pre-emegent stuff, and never sprayed onto the seed itself. So again, I don't believe there is much chance of residue being on the seed.

But I look now at the RoundUp (among other chemicals) killed grains being harvested (anything that needed a kill, we always waited for frost) and I have to wonder how much residue is being left behind. I know the RoundUp guys all say the residue is 100% gone. What they can't answer is why, when I break open a bale of RoundUp killed hay or straw, I can smell RoundUp.

I know scientists all say this stuff is safe, but I don't think they've had a chance to study the long term effects nor study the buildup of some of these hormones. The money simply isn't there.

Rod
 
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Anonymous

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DiamondSCattleCo said:
But I look now at the RoundUp (among other chemicals) killed grains being harvested (anything that needed a kill, we always waited for frost) and I have to wonder how much residue is being left behind. I know the RoundUp guys all say the residue is 100% gone. What they can't answer is why, when I break open a bale of RoundUp killed hay or straw, I can smell RoundUp.

I know scientists all say this stuff is safe, but I don't think they've had a chance to study the long term effects nor study the buildup of some of these hormones. The money simply isn't there.

Rod

And the chemical/pharmaceutical companies won't/don't want anyone doing any studies- Not as long as they are selling it for the prices they are--- $6 LB. or$90/Acre to seed Roundup Ready alfalfa :roll: .....
 

Kathy

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There is evidence that glycphosates can linger in the soil. The chemical is broken down by manganese in the soil. However, if it binds with copper, the glyphosate doesn't break down, and then can be washed away.

A researcher in this field made this comment to me:

"glyphosate preferentially complexes with copper, making it more soluble and therefore leachable. There may be some risk that , over time with repeated Roundup application, that some soils could have their available copper depleted by this process."

This point is important and should make those who use glyphosates think twice. Most importantly, they should be checking their soil for bio-available copper, not just total copper. In fact, the copper in the soil may be bound to the glyphosate molecule, thus short changing the crops grown on this treated land.
 

Kathy

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I often wonder about the estrogens found in plastic containers. Since many products are stored in the container for some time (other than dairy products which have an expiry date).

I would personally like to see growth hormones banned for feed gain purposes.

The incidence of twins could also be taken in another way, if you don't mind my saying so R2. Why is the vegan rate of twin births considered normal! Perhaps their diet is short of certain fats which would allow better fertility. So much emphasis is placed on not eating fats and cholesterol, when in fact, all our cell membranes required them for healthy function.

It certainly warrants further examination, like Rod stated.
 

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