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MN Senate race

fff

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What a mess. Franken's up today; Coleman is headed to court. I hope MN has a Senator by Jan 20th. Of course, if Coleman wins, he's under FBI investigation and may not be able to serve anyway!

Franken pushes his lead over Coleman past 250
The state Canvassing Board's ballot rulings today in the U.S. Senate race has unofficially put challenger Al Franken in the lead by more than 250.

More: http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/36438459.html?elr=KArksD:aDyaEP:kD:aUnc5PDiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU


Coleman Lawyers Up: http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081216/pl_politico/27268

Gues that should be Colemans (plural). :D
 
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Anonymous

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Boy-- if that wouldn't be an indication of how badly GW screwed this country up-and the Republican party- if Franken wins.. :roll:

I kind of like Coleman- and the way he tore into some of the corporate bought out USDA and FDA folks in the hearings.....
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
Boy-- if that wouldn't be an indication of how badly GW screwed this country up-and the Republican party- if Franken wins.. :roll:

I kind of like Coleman- and the way he tore into some of the corporate bought out USDA and FDA folks in the hearings.....

Has nothing to do with GW, just shows you how screwed up 50% of the people in the state are.
 

VanC

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One Plus One Equals 20 Extra Votes For Franken
Ann Coulter
Thursday, December 18, 2008

It's bad enough that the Republican Party can't prevent Democrats from voting in its primaries and saddling us with The New York Times' favorite Republican as our presidential nominee. If the Republican Party can't protect an election won by the incumbent U.S. senator in Minnesota, there is no point in donating to the Republican Party.

The day after the November election, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman had won his re-election to the U.S. Senate, beating challenger Al Franken by 725 votes.

Then one heavily Democratic town miraculously discovered 100 missing ballots. And, in another marvel, they were all for Al Franken! It was like a completely evil version of a Christmas miracle.

As strange as it was that all 100 post-election, "discovered" ballots would be for one candidate, it was even stranger that the official time stamp for the miracle ballots printed out by the voting machine on the miracle ballots showed that the votes had been cast on Nov. 2 -- two days before the election.

Democratic election officials in the miracle-ballot county simply announced that their voting machine must have been broken. Don't worry about it -- they were sure those 100 votes for Franken were legit.

Then another 400-odd statistically improbable "corrections" were made in other Democratic strongholds until -- by the end of election week -- Coleman's lead had been whittled down to a mere 215 votes.

Since then, highly irregular counting methods have added to Franken's total bit by bit, to the point that Coleman is now ahead by only 188 votes.

As long as Coleman maintains any lead at all, Republicans don't seem to care that Coleman's advantage is being shrunk by laughable ballot "discoveries" and disreputable standard-switching from precinct to precinct -- depending on which method of counting ballots is most advantageous to Franken.

Consider a few other chilling examples of Democrats thieving their way to victory over the years.

In 1974, Republican Louis Wyman won his race for U.S. Senate in New Hampshire, beating Democrat John Durkin by 355 votes. Durkin demanded a recount -- which went back and forth by a handful of votes until the state's Ballot Law Commission concluded that Wyman had indeed won by (at least) two votes.

Wyman was certified the winner by the New Hampshire secretary of state and was on his way to Washington when ... the overwhelmingly Democratic U.S. Senate refused to seat Wyman.

Despite New Hampshire's certification of Wyman as the winner of the election, this was the post-Watergate Senate, when Democrats could get away with anything -- up to and including a prank known as "President Jimmy Carter."

The U.S. Senate spent months examining disputed ballots from the New Hampshire election. Unable to come up with a method to declare the Democrat the winner that didn't require a guillotine, the Senate forced New Hampshire to hold another election.

It was a breathtaking abuse of power. New Hampshire had certified a winner of its Senate election, but it was a Republican, so the Democratic Senate simply ordered a new election.

Demoralized Republicans stayed away from the race and, this time, the Democrat won the re-vote.

Even more egregious was the Indiana House race in 1984. On election night, the incumbent Democrat Frank McCloskey appeared to have won a narrow victory of 72 votes. But after a correction was made in one county, it turned out his Republican opponent, Richard McIntyre, had won by 34 votes.

McIntyre was certified the winner -- which is when the trouble usually starts for a Republican.

Again, a majority Democrat House refused to seat the certified winner in a close election. I'm sure it was just a coincidence that the winner was a Republican.

Consequently, Indiana performed yet another recount of the entire district, which again showed that Republican McIntyre was the winner -- this time by 418 votes. Now he was really asking for it. The nerve of this guy! Hey, buddy, do you mind? We're trying to throw an election over here!

As The Washington Post reported at the time: There were "no allegations of fraud" in the recount and 90 percent of ballot disqualifications had been agreed to "by election commissions dominated by Democrats."

So naturally the House refused to seat the Republican even though he had received the most votes (hereinafter referred to as "the winner"). The House proceeded to conduct its own recount. (If you haven't detected a pattern by this point, please ask your doctor if Prilosec is right for you.)

This time, instead of ordering the district to hold another election, the Democratic House saved all concerned a lot of time and money by simply declaring Democrat Frank McCloskey the winner by four votes.

The vote-theft most like Minnesota this year was the infamous 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State. The Republican won the race on election night, but ballots favoring the Democrat kept being "discovered" until the Democrat finally eked out a majority. At that point, the recount was immediately halted and the Democrat declared the victor.

You would have to go back to Reconstruction to find an election that was stolen by the Republicans this way, but it's all in a day's work for the Democrats.

That's why they were so testy about the 2000 Florida election. It was the one time in the last century Republicans wouldn't let Democrats steal an election they lost by less than a thousand votes.

No matter how many times Democrats steal elections, Republicans keep thinking the next time will be different. Minnesota is famously clean, isn't it? It must different. It's not different. It's still the Democrats.

Copyright © 2008 Salem Web Network. All Rights Reserved.
 
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Franken Takes the Lead in Minnesota

Democrat Al Franken has taken the lead in the Minnesota Senate recount by 252 votes as of the end of counting yesterday. However, both parties withdrew some challenges which could yet be reinstated. The Star Tribune is predicting that Franken will hold a 75-vote lead when all the challenges are resolved. However, there are still 1600 absentee ballots to deal with. Absentee ballots in Minnesota tend to skew Democratic but we won't know for sure until they are counted. The Minnesota state supreme court ruled this week that absentee ballots that were potentially incorrectly rejected must be examined again so that every legitimate vote is counted.

If nobody has been chosen by the time the Senate reconvenes Jan. 5, Gov Tim Pawlenty (R-MN) could appoint Coleman to the seat. However, the Senate could refuse to seat him. It could get very messy. Both campaigns expect further litigation
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VanC

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In 1974, Republican Louis Wyman won his race for U.S. Senate in New Hampshire, beating Democrat John Durkin by 355 votes. Durkin demanded a recount -- which went back and forth by a handful of votes until the state's Ballot Law Commission concluded that Wyman had indeed won by (at least) two votes.

Wyman was certified the winner by the New Hampshire secretary of state and was on his way to Washington when ... the overwhelmingly Democratic U.S. Senate refused to seat Wyman.

McIntyre was certified the winner -- which is when the trouble usually starts for a Republican.

Again, a majority Democrat House refused to seat the certified winner in a close election. I'm sure it was just a coincidence that the winner was a Republican.

The vote-theft most like Minnesota this year was the infamous 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State. The Republican won the race on election night, but ballots favoring the Democrat kept being "discovered" until the Democrat finally eked out a majority. At that point, the recount was immediately halted and the Democrat declared the victor.

You would have to go back to Reconstruction to find an election that was stolen by the Republicans this way, but it's all in a day's work for the Democrats.

We might as well get used to the fact that Franken, win or lose, will be the next senator from Minnesota. Even if Coleman is certified as the winner, the Senate will refuse to seat him until a way is found to give it to Franken. The Democrats are the best there is at stealing close elections when few people are paying attention.
 

fff

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Ann Coulter is sure turning into a real whiney butt, isn't she? :lol:

And, no, don't talk to me about stolen elections with GW Bush in the White House and Don Siegelman in jail. Brother Jeb and Fl Republicans gave GW the election.

Coleman's observers are right there watching every vote counted, as are Franken's observers. The courts are available to both candidates. Even though the VOTERS didn't get to decide the presidential election in 1999, they should be allowed to do so here.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/34784659.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUxWoW_oD:EaDUiacyKUU

Siegelman: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830.shtml
 

VanC

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fff said:
Ann Coulter is sure turning into a real whiney butt, isn't she? :lol:

Coulter has always been a whiney butt, and I'm not a fan, but if you can dispute the facts she cited in her column, I'd be interested to see it.


fff said:
And, no, don't talk to me about stolen elections with GW Bush in the White House

Who's the whiney butt now? :lol:
fff said:
and Don Siegelman in jail.

Siegelman was railroaded, but I don't see where trumped up corruption charges have anything to do with stealing elections. Even if it did, it's the exception to the rule. Like it or not, the evidence shows that Democrats are the kings of dirty election tactics. Sure, Republicans have done it, too, but not nearly on the scale the Democrats have.

fff said:
Brother Jeb and Fl Republicans gave GW the election.

Still whining? :(

fff said:
Coleman's observers are right there watching every vote counted, as are Franken's observers. The courts are available to both candidates.

Well zipadee dodah!! You think this is the first time observers have been present and courts have been available in a recount? It doesn't matter. If someone wants to steal the election, they'll find a way. Again, even if Coleman is declared the winner, the Democratically controlled senate will likely refuse to seat him. It's happened too many times before to believe otherwise.

fff said:
Even though the VOTERS didn't get to decide the presidential election in 1999, they should be allowed to do so here.

I'm not aware of any presidential election held in 1999, but if you're talking about the one in 2000, voters did decide the election. Just because the Democrats weren't successful in stealing this one doesn't change that. Let's recap:

There's an election in Florida and it turns out to be very close. Not only that, it turns out that whoever wins in Florida wins the presidency. The stakes are huge. Bush is declared the winner as prescribed under Florida election law. But the Democrats decided that the law should not apply if it means they will lose, so hundreds of lawyers swoop in like vultures and convince the Florida Supreme Court to, just this once, overturn a law that has been on the books for decades. The Florida Supreme Court, it should be noted, consisted of six Democrats and one Independent, all appointed by Democratic governors. Coincidence?

So now they have a recount, Bush wins. They have another. Bush wins again. In fact, there are four official recounts and Bush wins every one of them. Gee, we can't have that, the Democrats say. We'll keep counting until we can figure out a way to hand the election to Gore. Democrats, you see, aren't used to losing close elections. By now, the ballots have been handled so many times they're barely readable and there's so much confusion that whole boxes of ballots, especially in heavily Democratic counties, magically appear out of thin air. Well, except for the ones that magically disappear, but you get the point.

That's when, thankfully, the U.S. Supreme Court stepped in and put an end to the whole farce, kicking off eight years of having to listen to the shrill and constant crying of partsan Democrats who have convinced themselves that somehow the voters had nothing to do with the 2000 election. :roll:
 

fff

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VanC said:
fff said:
Ann Coulter is sure turning into a real whiney butt, isn't she? :lol:

Coulter has always been a whiney butt, and I'm not a fan, but if you can dispute the facts she cited in her column, I'd be interested to see it.


fff said:
And, no, don't talk to me about stolen elections with GW Bush in the White House

Who's the whiney butt now? :lol:
fff said:
and Don Siegelman in jail.

Siegelman was railroaded, but I don't see where trumped up corruption charges have anything to do with stealing elections. Even if it did, it's the exception to the rule. Like it or not, the evidence shows that Democrats are the kings of dirty election tactics. Sure, Republicans have done it, too, but not nearly on the scale the Democrats have.

fff said:
Brother Jeb and Fl Republicans gave GW the election.

Still whining? :(

fff said:
Coleman's observers are right there watching every vote counted, as are Franken's observers. The courts are available to both candidates.

Well zipadee dodah!! You think this is the first time observers have been present and courts have been available in a recount? It doesn't matter. If someone wants to steal the election, they'll find a way. Again, even if Coleman is declared the winner, the Democratically controlled senate will likely refuse to seat him. It's happened too many times before to believe otherwise.

fff said:
Even though the VOTERS didn't get to decide the presidential election in 1999, they should be allowed to do so here.

I'm not aware of any presidential election held in 1999, but if you're talking about the one in 2000, voters did decide the election. Just because the Democrats weren't successful in stealing this one doesn't change that. Let's recap:

There's an election in Florida and it turns out to be very close. Not only that, it turns out that whoever wins in Florida wins the presidency. The stakes are huge. Bush is declared the winner as prescribed under Florida election law. But the Democrats decided that the law should not apply if it means they will lose, so hundreds of lawyers swoop in like vultures and convince the Florida Supreme Court to, just this once, overturn a law that has been on the books for decades. The Florida Supreme Court, it should be noted, consisted of six Democrats and one Independent, all appointed by Democratic governors. Coincidence?

So now they have a recount, Bush wins. They have another. Bush wins again. In fact, there are four official recounts and Bush wins every one of them. Gee, we can't have that, the Democrats say. We'll keep counting until we can figure out a way to hand the election to Gore. Democrats, you see, aren't used to losing close elections. By now, the ballots have been handled so many times they're barely readable and there's so much confusion that whole boxes of ballots, especially in heavily Democratic counties, magically appear out of thin air. Well, except for the ones that magically disappear, but you get the point.

That's when, thankfully, the U.S. Supreme Court stepped in and put an end to the whole farce, kicking off eight years of having to listen to the shrill and constant crying of partsan Democrats who have convinced themselves that somehow the voters had nothing to do with the 2000 election. :roll:

Argue with Ann? Who could? But it's laughable to complain about Dems stealing elections. Tom DeLay had the entire state of Texas redistricted so Republicans could gain control! Who could top that?

Of course you can't see how trumped up corruption charges have anything to do with stolen elections. :shock: Especially since it was the Republicans, including Carl Rove, who trumped up the charges. Siegelman would have won the election in AL if they hadn't sent him to jail. The Bush Administration has drug this country to a new low in putting their political opponents in jail when they don't think they can beat them at the polls. Are you proud?

They counted the votes in FL that they were allowed to count. Lifetime Republican Katherine Harris was the Secretary of State and made the decision about which votes were counted, how they were counted and who counted them.

Then there's Ohio. Again, the Republican Sec of State made some interesting decisions. Voters in Democratic areas stood in line for hours waiting to vote, machines broke down or were "out of service" while in Republican areas, there were plenty of machines and they all worked! Several reports have been issued and there are still investigations going on about the Ohio vote. Interestingly enough, a key witness in an ongoing OH election fraud case died recently in a private plane crash. He was also involved in the disappearance of the White House emails. And had asked for some sort of witness protection for him and his family.
 

fff

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Mike said:
Franken and the Dems are stealing it


http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/search/label/MinnesotaRecount

You're soooooo dishonest. :roll:

Lott is back and bigger than ever. In this blog post, he presents evidence of state Canvassing Board "mischief" that doesn't tell the whole truth — or in some cases, any truth.

First, he presents four ballots clearly marked for Coleman, noting, "Here is an example where the Minnesota Canvassing Board claims the vote is for no one."

Outrageous? Nope. What you can't see and what Lott doesn't tell you (unless you click through to the Star Tribune's website and look at an enlarged image) is that all four ballots have clearly identifying marks, such as signatures. By state law, they have to be tossed — but Lott doesn't tell you that, either.

Then comes the just plain wrong part. The next two ballots appear to be marked for Coleman; Lott writes the Canvassing Board judged them "clearly for Franken."

Begin the Brooks Brothers riot!

But no. A cross-check of the Secretary of State's extremely helpful spreadsheet (Excel file) indicates neither ballot was called for Franken. The first was tossed for — you guessed it — an identifying mark, and the second was ruled an undervote (for no one) because the Coleman oval was that voter's only cross-out.

Entire article: http://www.minnpost.com/braublog/2008/12/19/5441/recount_how_lott_misleads
 
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