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According to the Wall Street Journal, a suspect identified as Jean Baptiste Kingery was let go last year despite his alleged involvement in trafficking hand grenades to the cartels. Kingery is now in custody, having been arrested Aug. 31 by authorities in Mexico.
The lead ATF agent on the grenades case, Peter Forcelli, "was horrified with the thought of releasing this individual" and "practically begged" senior prosecutor Emory Hurley "for permission to arrest the suspect on a criminal complaint," according to an Aug. 31 letter sent to a congressional committee on Mr. Forcelli's behalf by an attorney with the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, a group that provides legal assistance to law enforcement officers.

Officials from the U.S. attorney's office dispute that Mr. Hurley, who oversaw both Fast and Furious and the Kingery cases, declined to prosecute, according to officials familiar with the accounts provided to investigators. These officials said prosecutors wanted to continue following the case and possibly bring charges at a later date.—Wall Street Journal

The WSJ story revealed that a “confidential informant” had advised U.S. investigators that he had “provided” Kingery with components for 2,000 grenades. When Mexican police raided Kingery’s home in Mazatlan, they reportedly found enough material to build 500 working grenades.

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UPDATE: CBS News is reporting that Kingery's case is being moved out of Arizona and to another jurisdiction. Likewise, prosecutions in the original Fast and Furious case, in which 20 indictments were handed down in January, will be moved from Phoenix to San Diego, CA. This amounts to a major slap in the face to the U.S. Attorney's office in Phoenix. In addition, prosecution in the case of murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry is also being moved to San Diego.

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Others are focusing on the mishandling of this case and the alleged retaliation by ATF against Agent Peter Forcelli for his compelling testimony on Operation Fast and Furious before Congressman Darrell Issa’s House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, but a more serious question should be asked, and now is a good time to ask it.

What justifiable reason could an agency of the Justice Department have for allowing this sort of thing to happen in the first place?

The ATF is supposed to interdict firearms and other weapons, and the U.S. Attorney’s office is supposed to prosecute people involved in such activities. Instead, if the WSJ, Codrea and Vanderboegh are correct, the Justice Department under Eric Holder and Barack Obama has enabled these criminals rather than pull them off the streets.

Most important of all, since investigators have now uncovered evidence that the Justice Department tried to cover up the connection between Operation Fast and Furious and the slaying of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry as this column reported, and also uncovered this new hand grenade debacle, what else is floating around out there that was initiated under the Obama administration that we still don’t know about?
 

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......what else is floating around out there that was initiated under the Obama administration that we still don’t know about?


http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=53645
 

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LC, you might want to check this link out:

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2011/09/05/40895/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=40895
 

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hypocritexposer said:
LC, you might want to check this link out:

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2011/09/05/40895/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=40895

interesting article.. well worth reading.. and forwarding to your representatives..
 

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Lonecowboy said:


and 2 days after posting this cartoon-

The head of the U.S. Justice Department launched his strongest personal defense yet in the growing furor over Operation Fast and Furious, the controversial sting targeting Mexican drug cartels and American gunrunners.

On Wednesday, Attorney General Eric Holder said for the first time that not only he but also other higher-ups at the Justice Department were not aware of the operation as it was being carried out. Holder also suggested politics could be a driving force behind Republican lawmakers' forceful inquiries into the matter.


"The notion that somehow or other this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that. ... I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters at an unrelated press conference in Washington. "It's kind of something I think certain members of Congress would like to see, the notion that somehow or other high-level people in the department were involved. As I said, I don't think that is going to be shown to be the case -- which doesn't mean that the mistakes were not serious."

A spokeswoman for the Republican leading a congressional investigation described Holder's comments as baseless "whining," and earlier Wednesday the House Republican himself said the issue is about more than who knew what, when.

"Whenever you talk about human mistakes, you have to say, 'What was in the system that allowed that human mistake to go on and perpetuate itself?'" Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said on Fox News Channel.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/07/holder-denies-prior-knowledge-fast-and-furious/#ixzz1XNp2ixxK


gosh he really convinced me that there is really no need to look into this any further- he doesn't think it is necessary!
 

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hypocritexposer said:
LC, you might want to check this link out:

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2011/09/05/40895/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=40895

well that was good reading- pretty well sums it up.

US weapons cannot be sold and shipped to countries that support terrorism, or nations, states, groups, or other entities deemed unfriendly to the United States.

I’d say Mexican cartels, especially the violent assassination squads that comprise Los Zetas, fall into that category, wouldn’t you?

Even more importantly, the Arms Export Control Act is, in fact, a servant to Article Three of the United States Constitution, which defines the act of selling weapons to those who would ‘levy war against the United States’ or ‘giving aid and comfort to our enemies’ as treason. No kidding. Treason.
 

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This is how far liberal gun control advocates will go and now this "movement of peace" has blood on it's hands.
 

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lonewolvie said:
This is how far liberal gun control advocates will go and now this "movement of peace" has blood on it's hands.


I read an article the other day about "fast and furious" that mentioned an "insider" that said that at the time of the Tucson shooting, that the agencies involved were very worried that it was a weapon that they "let loose". (it may have been the article that I linked for Lonecowboy, can't remember)


And well they should be worried, every time there is a murder, or a crime committed in the Southern States.
 

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