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More Bad News for Romney

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Anonymous

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Goode is Good Enough

The Democratic National Convention has begun, but in our view, the biggest story containing actual news is yesterday's decision by the Virginia Board of Elections to put Virgil Goede, the presidential candidate of the Constitution Party, on the Virginia ballot. Goede turned in 20,000 signatures to get on the ballot, even though 10,000 valid ones are all that is needed. Goede is way to the right of Romney and could wreak havoc with Romney's chances in Virginia.


Third-party candidates rarely get more than 2 or 3 percent in Virginia, but Goede could easily reach that level. He represented Virginia in Congress for 12 years and served in the state Senate for 24 years before that. With 36 years in public office, he has substantial name recognition in the southwestern part of the state, which is very conservative. Far-right voters who hate Obama but simply don't trust Romney might vote for Goede in protest. Virginia, which went for Obama in 2008, has been close all year, with Obama currently ahead 49% to 46%. If Goede can pull 2% from Romney and make it 49% to 44%, Romney will have a very difficult time winning Virginia and its 13 electoral votes. If Obama can win all the states the Democrats have won in the past five elections, plus the three western swing states, Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico, he has 262 of the 270 electoral votes he needs. Virginia would put him over the top, meaning that he could survive losses in Florida, Ohio, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Missouri, and Iowa. Romney is certain to redouble his efforts to win Virginia now. Among other things, Team Romney will try to get the Virginia Attorney General, Republican Ken Cuccinelli, to remove Goede from the ballot.

However, not all the news out of Virginia is bad for the Republicans. Jill Stein, the Green party candidate for President, also qualified for the ballot (as did Libertarian Gary Johnson). But unlike Goede, Stein is from Massachusetts and has no natural base in Virginia there, so she is not likely to pull many votes from Obama. Democrats are also far more sensitive to the effects of third parties ever since Ralph Nader got 92,000 votes in Florida in 2000, in an election George Bush won by 537 votes. The Republicans have never had such an experience.

What remains to be seen is what happens next. Will the Koch brothers start running ads in Virginia attacking Goede and praising Stein? Will out-of-state partisans start hanging out at Goede's Website or Stein's Website and begin donating money? To some extent Ron Paul supporters may get involved since Goede supports some of the same issues as Paul, such as auditing the Fed, and is generally isolationist in foreign policy and immigration.

Poll evaluated Electoral Vote count 9/5/12

Obama 332
Romney 206

Romney's news for the week has not been good- starting when he didn't get the normal bump in the polls from the convention (getting less than 1% where in comparison McCain 4 years ago got at an 11% after convention raise)-- but he may have a bigger worry with another state he needs to get electoral votes from...
 
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jodywy said:
The Republicans have never had such an experience.
Ross Perot took enought of the vote that Clinton did get a majority(over 50%)

Yep in 1992 in Montana Clinton got 38%- Bush got 35%- mainly because Perot took the rest.....
It will be interesting to see what part the third parties play this year....
 

hopalong

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How dare anyone question oldtimer about anything??? You know he is the utmost athourity on any thing and anything>>>>>If it does not happen in MT then it just does not happen!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: IN his mind MT rules waht happens in the the rest of the WHOLE world :roll: :roll:
 

ANGUS327

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hopalong said:
How dare anyone question oldtimer about anything??? You know he is the utmost athourity on any thing and anything>>>>>If it does not happen in MT then it just does not happen!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: IN his mind MT rules waht happens in the the rest of the WHOLE world :roll: :roll:

Are you talking about Dick?
 
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hopalong said:
How dare anyone question oldtimer about anything??? You know he is the utmost athourity on any thing and anything>>>>>If it does not happen in MT then it just does not happen!!! :roll: :roll: :roll: IN his mind MT rules waht happens in the the rest of the WHOLE world :roll: :roll:

What are you babbling about :???: I agreed with the person- and gave the example that popped in my mind first-- and you accuse me of what....

I think your hate and age is starting to cause dementia...
 

gmacbeef

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Oldtimer said:
jodywy said:
The Republicans have never had such an experience.
Ross Perot took enought of the vote that Clinton did get a majority(over 50%)

Yep in 1992 in Montana Clinton got 38%- Bush got 35%- mainly because Perot took the rest.....
It will be interesting to see what part the third parties play this year....

Oldtimer, the third parties won't amount to squat this time around.
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
but he may have a bigger worry with another state he needs to get electoral votes from...

Oldtimer you know Obama is worried about all the states when he brings in Clinton and tries to run on his success as a President verse running on his own record.

There has never been any love lost between these two man and Obama had to go begging Clinton to save his azz in this election. TO FUNNY :lol: :lol: :lol:

That and you have to know Obama is worried about holding on to any and all supporters when he stepped in and made the Dems change their Official platform to reinstate words that the DNC delegates clearly did not vote to reinstate. I heard the vote the delegates in the hall did not vote 2/3 in favor of the reinstateing of those missing statements. The word GOD was taken out and the delegate did not vote to reinstate it.

The Leftwingnuts in that party have fought for years to eliminate God from everything and they got it passed in their Own Platform
I believe they, including Obama, didn't think it through and thought he and they would get it past the adoring koolaid drinking media. To bad Bret B from FOX asked Durbin about it and Durbin went off on him for daring to think the Dems are a Godless Party and Obama set forth to PUT IN BACK against his delegates wishes to stop the bleeding of supporters that objected to the new Democrat Platform.
 
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gmacbeef said:
Oldtimer said:
jodywy said:
Ross Perot took enought of the vote that Clinton did get a majority(over 50%)

Yep in 1992 in Montana Clinton got 38%- Bush got 35%- mainly because Perot took the rest.....
It will be interesting to see what part the third parties play this year....

Oldtimer, the third parties won't amount to squat this time around.


I agree they will not get what Perot or even Ron Paul pulled- but in many of these states- 1 or 2% could mean the difference in who wins...

Too bad a few years ago- we didn't listen to old Ross Perot when he warned us of that "giant sucking sound" that was coming to be with all these trade agreements/NAFTA taking our jobs to foreign countries....

His 1992 description of Congress could be well used to describe the Congress of today...

This city has become a town filled with sound bites, shell games, handlers, media stuntmen who posture, create images, talk, shoot off Roman candles, but don't ever accomplish anything. We need deeds, not words, in this city.
 

okfarmer

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How much money do you think Obama's machine is pouring into these other candidates? :D

The difference in Perot, is that he was the savy business man people were looking at to right the ship. This time, Romney has the attention of the social and economical conservatives along with the majority of the independents and even some democrats.

This will be more like Carter v Regan.
 

Larrry

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In the past when anyone ran on the third party they didn't have to go up against the disastrous obama regimes economy. It will be a lot harder for anyone with much foresight to pull the trigger on a third party.

Bread lines and living under bridges(obama) or Romney
 

Tam

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okfarmer said:
How much money do you think Obama's machine is pouring into these other candidates? :D


ZIP ZILCH ZERO he told them they were all on their own as his 200 plus fund raisers did not raise the funds he knows he is going to need every red cent to buy attack ads to distract from his INCOMPETE RECORD. :wink:
 

Lonecowboy

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oldtimer I have a hypothetical question for you;

You have expressed some faint intrest in Johnson the Libertarian candidate for president- would you vote for him even if you knew that obama was going to lose by that 1 vote and Romney would then become president? or would you cast johnson aside and vote for obama?
 
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Lonecowboy said:
oldtimer I have a hypothetical question for you;

You have expressed some faint intrest in Johnson the Libertarian candidate for president- would you vote for him even if you knew that obama was going to lose by that 1 vote and Romney would then become president? or would you cast johnson aside and vote for obama?

Lonecowboy-- right today- I can't answer that... At this point I am probably going to vote for Johnson- altho I don't totally agree with him or the Libertarian platform on everything--- it more fits the way I feel than either of the two cults... Fiscally conservative- socially more liberal and way less intrusive to privacy rights...

I do not like some of the stands Obama has on issues- altho like I've said before- I'm definitely better off today than I was 4 years ago...

And this is the issue that scares the beejezus out of me with Romney-- do we want to go back to the direction of warmongering, economic policy, and no oversight over the robber thieves of Wallstreet that gave us the Bush Bust and this economy in the first place...

I know if McCain keeps running around singing "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran and the rest of the world" under his breath as he was during the convention speech the other day - I would have a tough time wanting to see Romney/Repubs get in there....
 

Larrry

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do we want to go back to the direction of warmongering, economic policy, and no oversight over the robber thieves of Wallstreet

After the last four years we ain't buying the crap you are trying to peddle

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Faster horses

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OT SAID, "I'm definitely better off today than I was 4 years ago.."

OT, maybe YOU might be, but what about your kids and grandkids future?
Do you think it's the right thing to saddle them with all this debt?
16 trillion dollars.........wooowh...

Is that 16,000,000,000,000.00?

Just trying to visualize that much money and how many zeroes it takes. :cry: Come to think of it, it took a bunch of ZEROES overspending
to get us to that amount of debt in this country.
 

Larrry

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If he is so dang well of why doesn't he just buy healthcare for his kids instead of asking the government to take it from hardworking people and give to his kids.

Heck he could even pay his kids hospital bills that they racked up instead of having his hardworking neighbors pay their bills.
 
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