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More fallout from USDA/AMI/NCBA on testing

Sandhusker

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From the Western Livestock Reporter, Oct. 3, 2007;

Talks with Japan have run into a revolving door of resigning agricultural ministers, which has helped slow that process (opening markets for US beef). Meanwhile, some wonder if Japanese palates have become accusomed to evolving Australian grain-fed product and, consequently, how much of that market the U.Ss vacated in 2003 is still available to U.S. beef exporters.

"There's an element of truth in all that," Lambert said. "Only time and market conditions will tell how much permanent shift there has been."

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Ain't that just a flippin dandy? Could the USDA have screwed this up any better if they had tried? And to think a "cattlemen's org. " went along with this all the way - and is STILL going with it! :mad: :mad:
 

Mike

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Sandhusker said:
From the Western Livestock Reporter, Oct. 3, 2007;

Talks with Japan have run into a revolving door of resigning agricultural ministers, which has helped slow that process (opening markets for US beef). Meanwhile, some wonder if Japanese palates have become accusomed to evolving Australian grain-fed product and, consequently, how much of that market the U.Ss vacated in 2003 is still available to U.S. beef exporters.

"There's an element of truth in all that," Lambert said. "Only time and market conditions will tell how much permanent shift there has been."

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Ain't that just a flippin dandy? Could the USDA have screwed this up any better if they had tried? And to think a "cattlemen's org. " went along with this all the way - and is STILL going with it! :mad: :mad:

There were some on this board that could see this coming from a mile away. :???: :???: :???:

Going on our 4th year. Wonder how much the NCBA calculates the USA producers have lost by now?
 

MoGal

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Yes, and who owns that Australian grain fed beef going into Japan?? Isn't Cargill supplying that?

Its all in the game plan (by packers) to get USA prices down to the same as Australia or lower. When they do, they'll start shipping it from USA again.

What they need to look into is why has these meat packers intentionally sent bones, etc from USA plants but yet seem to get it right from Australia.
 

RobertMac

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MoGal said:
Yes, and who owns that Australian grain fed beef going into Japan?? Isn't Cargill supplying that?

Its all in the game plan (by packers) to get USA prices down to the same as Australia or lower. When they do, they'll start shipping it from USA again.

What they need to look into is why has these meat packers intentionally sent bones, etc from USA plants but yet seem to get it right from Australia.

Very astute observation...and some say there is nothing to be learned here on ranchers.net!

Take that same logic in another direction...what better way to effect the balance of supply/demand than to target our most consumed product, ground beef...and none of the dominating packers got hurt...in fact, one will benefit!

OK, that may be over the top, but it points out that the corporations that we have invested our destiny aren't concerned with our well being unless it improves their margins!

OK, land the black helicopters...but one has to wonder, after over 100 years in business, some packers haven't learned how to de-bone beef!!!!!!!! :shock: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

PPRM

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The real leap will be going away from marketing Beef as US and Canadian and marketing by label/company........I know the Korean group I met with in the Equipment would further relations with me on Meat. It goes back to level of trust and accountability......The company from which the Bone was found is still processing cattle...

There is not near the incentive that a company like Creekstone would have...

I am in BC right now and personally would Love to see the chains unbound and these guys able to sell/test in a way that opens the Asian Rim for them......Relying on one exprot market just is not healthy and I feel they Cow-tow to what our USDA says too much,

Granted, that is an outsiders opinion,

PPRM
 

rkaiser

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Even if "Canadians" were allowed to test, Cargill and Tyson would not. And Cargill and Tyson control over 80% of the "Canadian Beef" market and almost all of the export. Without anyone willing to own beef and use the packers as packers and only packers, testing would simply be a tool that would stay in the tool box. Just like keeping the implants out of our cattle. Cargill and Tyson see these tools the same way that Walmart sees union workers.

The best way for Canada to use the testing tool would be if Creekstone bought the ranchers beef plant ---- or we took control of the industry ourselves and used the BIG C plan to buy or build plant capacity.
 

PPRM

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rkaiser said:
The best way for Canada to use the testing tool would be if Creekstone bought the ranchers beef plant ---- or we took control of the industry ourselves and used the BIG C plan to buy or build plant capacity.

I was making the Assumption that Tyson and such would not be involved....

It has to go back to selling the best Beef...It amazes me that people talk about how much better a Broken legged calf that is dry aged for 21 days is than store bought, but the light never goes on...I mean, if we can make a stressed animal better than what the factories are doing, then there is an answer in there somewhere....

PPRM
 

Mike

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Even if "Canadians" were allowed to test, Cargill and Tyson would not.

That is exactly the premise that the USDA bans testing.

If Creekstone were allowed to test, and the demand for tested beef were to skyrocket, Cargill and Tyson would be forced to test also. We sure can have that, can we?

Why not let competition and the market sort out who does and who doesn't?
 

rkaiser

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And still the NCBA and CCA believe that the packers are simply operating in a normal democratic, free enterprise environment and are not trying to "control" the beef industry. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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Mike, "Why not let competition and the market sort out who does and who doesn't?"

You mean like the free market concepts that the NCBA claims to support?
 

PPRM

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I am in BC.........What sometimes is forgotten is the effects effect real people.....$83 calves is the result of everything right now. It affects real people....

My ideas center around building product with a reputation that does not have the USDA as the most qalified stamp of approval.....

PPRM
 
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