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nonothing

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Larrry said:
OK so you guys donm't want A gun despite the figures show that guns reduce crime, more guns equal less crime. Let's just say you take your daughter to a park and a rapist comes along with a gun. He decides he is going to things to your daughter and he happens to lay his gun down.
What do you do, just wait. Do you grab the gun and shoot him, oops sorry you don't know how to use those nasty awful guns. What now?

My first suggestion to you is if your parks are that unsafe move...what happens if that same guy figured you to have a gun and shot you first ....You can come up with hypothetical situations all day long....the fact of the matter a park like that is no place to take a child......... To answer your question,if pointing the gun at him is not deterent enough the, I would say hold it against his head and pull the trigger ...shooting a gun is not rocket science.
 

nonothing

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Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
Whats sad is someone comes on here with an opinion about guns that is different then the rest and you people go bezerk..Yelling DO NOT TAKE MY GUNS.....but yet I suspect not one of you has shot another human on the streets or in your homes...Keep your guns, I could care less.....I just wish you showed the same outrage about prison terms and cleaning up your streets so your fear does not run so rampant,that your agrument for gun ownership is personal safety...All you people do is worry that your in danger and need to be armed..but yet not one of you will care to even acknowlegde the reasons why your in danger in the first place.......Why not scream..CLEAN UP OUR DRUG LADEN CITIES....LOCK THEM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY....I understand CA's point about wanting guns out of her home,why cant you people?..Just cause she has different reasons for not wanting guns does not make your peoples reasons for owning them any better..The way i see it the more guns out there the more chance a victim can be killed...Criminals will instead of just robbing a person they will shoot them first then walk up and take thier wallet...guns used to kill do not stop violence and they never will...They just create more gun violence.Many good people have died with a gun in their hand..Fix the drug problem in north america and the fear will go way 10 fold...Keep your guns but please start screaming about the real reasons for your fear.........

I find it ironic that, in a conversation about banning/not banning guns, you mention that what we really need to do is fix the drug problem. Do you think that banning them may be the answer?

Where did i say to ban guns.......I said why not scream loud about the reason for needing a gun rather then just screaming for a gun...If everyone had guns it would just become a shoot first crime situation.....drug additcs will still need their money to buy....and a dead man with a gun shot in the back will give up his wallet alot easier then a live man who may have a gun staring them down......
 

Cal

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nonothing said:
Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
Whats sad is someone comes on here with an opinion about guns that is different then the rest and you people go bezerk..Yelling DO NOT TAKE MY GUNS.....but yet I suspect not one of you has shot another human on the streets or in your homes...Keep your guns, I could care less.....I just wish you showed the same outrage about prison terms and cleaning up your streets so your fear does not run so rampant,that your agrument for gun ownership is personal safety...All you people do is worry that your in danger and need to be armed..but yet not one of you will care to even acknowlegde the reasons why your in danger in the first place.......Why not scream..CLEAN UP OUR DRUG LADEN CITIES....LOCK THEM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY....I understand CA's point about wanting guns out of her home,why cant you people?..Just cause she has different reasons for not wanting guns does not make your peoples reasons for owning them any better..The way i see it the more guns out there the more chance a victim can be killed...Criminals will instead of just robbing a person they will shoot them first then walk up and take thier wallet...guns used to kill do not stop violence and they never will...They just create more gun violence.Many good people have died with a gun in their hand..Fix the drug problem in north america and the fear will go way 10 fold...Keep your guns but please start screaming about the real reasons for your fear.........

I find it ironic that, in a conversation about banning/not banning guns, you mention that what we really need to do is fix the drug problem. Do you think that banning them may be the answer?

Where did i say to ban guns.......I said why not scream loud about the reason for needing a gun rather then just screaming for a gun...If everyone had guns it would just become a shoot first crime situation.....drug additcs will still need their money to buy....and a dead man with a gun shot in the back will give up his wallet alot easier then a live man who may have a gun staring them down......
Do you think law enforcement should have guns? Well, around here we're kind of forced to be our own law enforcement. In this area we're pretty much down to just tribal cops, that are limited on what they can or even want to do. Sandhusker might be 60 miles away from the nearest law enforcement as well. Guns are just part of life, that's the way we intend to keep it, and it's not going to change. There's also not much money there for alot more county, or even state wide drug enforcement in these rural areas and the expensive trials that ensue.
 

Sandhusker

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nonothing said:
Sandhusker said:
nonothing said:
Whats sad is someone comes on here with an opinion about guns that is different then the rest and you people go bezerk..Yelling DO NOT TAKE MY GUNS.....but yet I suspect not one of you has shot another human on the streets or in your homes...Keep your guns, I could care less.....I just wish you showed the same outrage about prison terms and cleaning up your streets so your fear does not run so rampant,that your agrument for gun ownership is personal safety...All you people do is worry that your in danger and need to be armed..but yet not one of you will care to even acknowlegde the reasons why your in danger in the first place.......Why not scream..CLEAN UP OUR DRUG LADEN CITIES....LOCK THEM UP AND THROW AWAY THE KEY....I understand CA's point about wanting guns out of her home,why cant you people?..Just cause she has different reasons for not wanting guns does not make your peoples reasons for owning them any better..The way i see it the more guns out there the more chance a victim can be killed...Criminals will instead of just robbing a person they will shoot them first then walk up and take thier wallet...guns used to kill do not stop violence and they never will...They just create more gun violence.Many good people have died with a gun in their hand..Fix the drug problem in north america and the fear will go way 10 fold...Keep your guns but please start screaming about the real reasons for your fear.........

I find it ironic that, in a conversation about banning/not banning guns, you mention that what we really need to do is fix the drug problem. Do you think that banning them may be the answer?

Where did i say to ban guns.......I said why not scream loud about the reason for needing a gun rather then just screaming for a gun...If everyone had guns it would just become a shoot first crime situation.....drug additcs will still need their money to buy....and a dead man with a gun shot in the back will give up his wallet alot easier then a live man who may have a gun staring them down......

You don't get it, Nono, the criminals already have guns! Every scenario that you present about criminals using a gun against us already exists in areas that ban guns. A gun ban does nothing - nothing- to deter criminals from getting and using guns. Look at the crime rate in DC. That was what I was hinting at on banning drugs. Drugs are banned and our prisons are full of people who were selling them in spite of the billions that we spend to stop the flow of drugs. What does that tell you about criminals and bans? Guns give law abiding citizens a chance to defend themselves from those criminals who already have them and it a deterrent because criminals don't like it when somebody shoots back.
 

RobertMac

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Illegal drugs and dealing them are banned by our laws...criminals ignore those laws!
If guns were banned by law and taken away from law abiding citizens, guess what...criminals would ignore those laws also!!
When criminals know that no one else has a gun, they are more likely to shoot first, then take what they want.
NRA and conservatives have long been for increasing mandatory sentences for criminal using guns in the commission of a crime...that is the solution for both drug and gun problems.
 

CattleArmy

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backhoeboogie said:
CattleArmy said:
My other problem with people having guns so easily available is that they are around and unresponsible gun owners leave them available for children to get their hands on. Gun accidents do occur and that's why they should be locked up at home also.

You have lots of problems and it shows.

Telling all the criminals who is armed and who is not is simply the dumbest thing that has ever been proposed. You have gone on and on with all your problems all the way through this thread and none of it has any logic to it.

If a child gets hurt by a gas can, I don't think we should ban all gas cans. We should take care to protect children from any dangerous scenario.

If one of my sisters, or wife or daughter is driving around unarmed, I don't want criminals knowing.

Get out of your emotional block and start using a bit of logic. Your entire existence is in the C quadrant of your brain. You need to use the A, B, & D quadrants if you are capable.

Insult me however you want for I don't care what you think. To me you are simply an internet personality that I know nothing about and could careless about. Who knows what you are or if you even know what a cow is. Before you go ahead and say that comment back to me realize that at least six posters on here know me in real life and one is very respected by the members of the board and can vouch I do have cattle and come from a line of ranchers.

If you had read my posts as you claim (which makes me question your reading comprehension abilities) you would have seen it is simply my opinion nothing more and nothing less. You would have seen that there are guns in my home safely locked up as responsible gun owners do. I don't have a problem with people owning guns my problem is with concealing them while carrying them. As I stated it's only my opinion but be sure and understand enough that I don't wanna ban the ownership of guns. You can carry on and insult me over my opinion but here's the kicker when it comes time to vote my vote matters just as much as yours.

I wouldn't want to be driving around feeling like I have to have a gun to be safe. Common sense has me learn where the bad areas of a town are and where to avoid. I've traveled to several large cities in this great nation of ours and have yet to ever feel I needed a gun to go about seeing the sights and shopping the town.
 

CattleArmy

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Mike said:
CattleArmy wrote:


You can protect yourself without a gun. Sometimes simply by looking whoever is going to attack in the face. Attackers don't want to be recognized and they want easy prey. Kicking in the gonads or pinching the flesh on the back of ones arms are defence plans. I'm not saying every time these will work but for those of us not ready to pack heat I think we are smart enough to be schooled in some self defence.


Total BS. You live in a different world.

The latest fad for the little black thugs here is to follow women (usually white affluenced) home from shopping or work and pull in behind them in the driveway, blocking their exit.

Then at least two jumps out of their car and converges to both sides of the defenseless womens cars, sometimes while breaking out the side car windows and demands the jewelry and the purse. They sometimes rape if the home is secluded.

How do you defend against that?

One woman did here a few days ago... She shot the little deserving thug point blank in the face with a 9mm. He was DOA.

Haven't had anymore of this type incidence in over 3 days now... :lol:

Here's the thing with you guys if it's not what you suggest or what you think it's total BS. I never said every time does self defence work but there are times it does. Plus women can empower themselves by knowing how to defend themselves in situations.

I do live in a different world I would not risk my family by living is a place as you claim in fact I would move where ever I had to not to live in the Hood. Where I live there is still the good in people, there are kind caring people, I feel safe in my home, I don't cringe when I'm along the road with a flat tire, I don't have to pack a gun to feel safe, you know I do live in a different world and I'm thankful I do.
 

PrairieQueen

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I have to agree with nonothing in the sense that it isn't the guns imo that are causing the violence - it's the culture (ie gangs, overall acceptance/desensitized to violence from t.v. video games, lack of family units etc) that is causing the problems.
 

PrairieQueen

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CattleArmy said:
I do live in a different world I would not risk my family by living is a place as you claim in fact I would move where ever I had to not to live in the Hood. Where I live there is still the good in people, there are kind caring people, I feel safe in my home, I don't cringe when I'm along the road with a flat tire, I don't have to pack a gun to feel safe, you know I do live in a different world and I'm thankful I do.

Not everyone can do that, however.
 

kolanuraven

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I live in a very rural area that has the same ' families' here since the 20's. It is a backwater place. Once Rand McNally did one of those surveys and we were called the modern day Mayberry RFD!!

BUT.....BUT.....BUT....our biggest problem, and it's everywhere, is drugs.

Not only the use and addiction and sale of them but since ALL of the real industry has left out and been gone for years now, selling has become a way for a lot of people to make some money.

It's not just the strangers or move in's that are tangled up in the drugs....it's folks that I've known all my life, their parents, their kids...etc etc etc.


When you have that business going on....you will have violence.

CA....I'm glad that you've never had to face any ' situation' and I hope you never do...but PLEASE take it from me, look around and look hard.

I'm in about the same ' type' area as where you live, I don't know exactly where you are....but I know the area well. It's full of good people....BUT...there's always that chance.

Just kicking someone in the nuts or crotch or mace in the face may do nothing more than just pizz them off!! Kinda hitting a girzzly with a switch.


I'm not advocating stappin' up going to the grocery.....I'm advocating to be aware and no one lives in Camelot anymore.
 

nonothing

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kolanuraven said:
I live in a very rural area that has the same ' families' here since the 20's. It is a backwater place. Once Rand McNally did one of those surveys and we were called the modern day Mayberry RFD!!

BUT.....BUT.....BUT....our biggest problem, and it's everywhere, is drugs.

Not only the use and addiction and sale of them but since ALL of the real industry has left out and been gone for years now, selling has become a way for a lot of people to make some money.

It's not just the strangers or move in's that are tangled up in the drugs....it's folks that I've known all my life, their parents, their kids...etc etc etc.


When you have that business going on....you will have violence.

CA....I'm glad that you've never had to face any ' situation' and I hope you never do...but PLEASE take it from me, look around and look hard.

I'm in about the same ' type' area as where you live, I don't know exactly where you are....but I know the area well. It's full of good people....BUT...there's always that chance.

Just kicking someone in the nuts or crotch or mace in the face may do nothing more than just pizz them off!! Kinda hitting a girzzly with a switch.


I'm not advocating stappin' up going to the grocery.....I'm advocating to be aware and no one lives in Camelot anymore.

So how does having a gun help your problems.......Kill 4,5 or6 drug people you still have more just around the corner....my point was never to ban guns,it was that you people should be more upset about the reasons for wanting to own guns.....longer prison terms shorter rap sheets,an plan to rid drugs .....but you people still yell louder when you think anyone is taking your guns away.....I never once said that......My point has always been,guns are not the answer to stopping crime....if everyone owned a gun criminals would just kill more inocent people...If you were a criminal and you felt those you were robbing had guns,would you not shot them before they could shot you?All you people talk like you will have a choice to shoot them......if you put a gun in everyones had,you good people better have someone watching your back....It is your right to own guns and rights should never be taken away.....
 

kolanuraven

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I'm not gonna argue the points, semantics or theories, or laws any more.

It's AMERICA...United States and Canada & Mexico...and you do whatever makes you feel comfortable and I shall do the same.


I am glad that your world has not been affected/effected by crime. In fact, I'm a bit jealous about it.

I hope that you never have to face it...and at the same time, I hope you are not blind to the facts that YES IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!!!!!
 

kolanuraven

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BACK TO THE ECONOMY.....


Remember when all ya'll called me a liar.



Last Updated: July 1, 2008: 12:47 PM EDT


The Ford F Series pickup, its best selling vehilcle, saw sales plunge 40% in June, as buyers fled trucks and SUVs in the face of record $4 a gallon gasoline.
6 billion dollars buys GM


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Ford Motor reported that its U.S. sales tumbled 28% in June from a year ago, as record high gas prices and rising consumer worries about the economy resulted in what could turn out to be the weakest month for auto sales in 16 years.

Ford (F, Fortune 500), the No. 3 automaker in terms of U.S. sales, saw demand for its SUVs plunge by more than half and for pickups and other trucks fall more than a third.

Even the so-called crossovers, a sign of strength in the light truck segment until recently, saw sales off 18% from a year earlier, as buyers went searching for more fuel efficient vehicles in the face of record $4 gas prices. But Ford apparently didn't have the car models buyers were looking for, as its car sales fell 12%.
 

nonothing

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kolanuraven said:
I'm not gonna argue the points, semantics or theories, or laws any more.

It's AMERICA...United States and Canada & Mexico...and you do whatever makes you feel comfortable and I shall do the same.


I am glad that your world has not been affected/effected by crime. In fact, I'm a bit jealous about it.

I hope that you never have to face it...and at the same time, I hope you are not blind to the facts that YES IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!!!!!

So I could argue that it MAY NEVER HAPPEN TO ME!!!!!!.....put your money and time into cleaning up the rift raft and see how much more productive that is to your safety rather then carring a gun ready to kill the first person that shows a hint of violence towards you....If your jealous then do something about your area,bitch and moan to your congress men for stiffer penalities for criminals.help the cops do their job by demanding longer sentences insteadd of letting out criminals the next day...lobby for better drug treament centers...find ways to educate children on the dangers of such lifestyles.not just teach them how to use a gun....Carry your gun where ever you want but I sure hope you know what you are doing,for it sure we would be sad if you shot a man who was only looking to ask you the time......I will agree there are times a gun can save linnocent lifes.....but education, stronger justice and treatment will save a hell of alot more......
 

kolanuraven

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nonothing said:
kolanuraven said:
I'm not gonna argue the points, semantics or theories, or laws any more.

It's AMERICA...United States and Canada & Mexico...and you do whatever makes you feel comfortable and I shall do the same.


I am glad that your world has not been affected/effected by crime. In fact, I'm a bit jealous about it.

I hope that you never have to face it...and at the same time, I hope you are not blind to the facts that YES IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!!!!!

So I could argue that it MAY NEVER HAPPEN TO ME!!!!!!.....put your money and time into cleaning up the rift raft and see how much more productive that is to your safety rather then carring a gun ready to kill the first person that shows a hint of violence towards you....If your jealous then do something about your area,bitch and moan to your congress men for stiffer penalities for criminals.help the cops do their job by demanding longer sentences insteadd of letting out criminals the next day...lobby for better drug treament centers...find ways to educate children on the dangers of such lifestyles.not just teach them how to use a gun....Carry your gun where ever you want but I sure hope you know what you are doing,for it sure we would be sad if you shot a man who was only looking to ask you the time......I will agree there are times a gun can save linnocent lifes.....but education, stronger justice and treatment will save a hell of alot more......


Listen....I'm NOT gonna get in a pizzin match about it.


I help my community in many ways...none of which I owe an explanation to you or anybody.


And if YOU do not know the difference between when someone is just asking a question or gonna hurt you.....I'm afraid my friend NN..you need more education that I do on the subject.
 

aplusmnt

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nonothing said:
My point has always been,guns are not the answer to stopping crime....if everyone owned a gun criminals would just kill more inocent people...If you were a criminal and you felt those you were robbing had guns,would you not shot them before they could shot you?..

Problem is statistics do not back up your theory. In every istance I have ever saw where the right to carry laws were allowed. Crime and especially violent crimes have went down.

Statistics show that when the threat of gun ownership and possession is possible, crimes are less.

In the U.S. this has been proven true in more than one example. We have slowly been getting right to carry laws in various states and cities and crime almost if not always goes down as a result.

I have also read of situations were guns were taken away from people in and crime rose. Correct me if I am wrong but did this happen in Canada once you got stronger gun laws?

You wait and see Washington D.C. crime will be lower once everyone is allowed to own a gun if they chose!
 

backhoeboogie

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nonothing said:
Keep your guns but please start screaming about the real reasons for your fear.........

Fear? I have pondered you latest for a while now. What in the heck are you talking about fear? Where in the heck do you even get that concept? Where does it come from?

Flash back 4 years ago when the gangs attacked a cowboy pulling a trailer, cows in the trailer, wife and child in seat along side him. Busted windshield and wife on cell phone. 45 (count them that's right) 45 pick-ups waiting at Whiskey Flats. Over a dozen ramming the three gang vehicles enroute. Over 100 vehicles before the deputies arrived to rescue the gangsters.

What is all the discussion about city streets? This is a Rancher's forum and most ranches aren't in the city limits. Where the heck are you?
 

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