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Red Robin

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Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. I do find it odd that the govt. is investigating a church. Where are the seperation of church and state bunch? Hmmmm???
 

Tex

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I do know one thing about Benny Hinn. I went with my cousins (who had muscular dystrophy) to one of his services. After the service, Benny Hinn came by and talked to us. My cousins desperately wanted a cure and thought the religious fervor Hinn offered might help.

It didn't.

I think we have to be real suspicious of "christian" leaders who live the kind of life described in the article. In my view it is a case of a few people who would sell the promise of religious miracles for their own worldly benefit.

That is not the Christianity found in the Bible.
 

kolanuraven

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Red Robin said:
Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. I do find it odd that the govt. is investigating a church. Where are the seperation of church and state bunch? Hmmmm???


Yeah...but this is about all that" tax exempt" buisness going on.

You've got poor people, old people sending their last dollars to these snake oil salesmen.


They've got a great racket going, no doubt.

What's that line in that song, " Send your money to God but they give you THEIR address",
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
Red Robin said:
Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. I do find it odd that the govt. is investigating a church. Where are the seperation of church and state bunch? Hmmmm???


Yeah...but this is about all that" tax exempt" buisness going on.

You've got poor people, old people sending their last dollars to these snake oil salesmen.


They've got a great racket going, no doubt.

What's that line in that song, " Send your money to God but they give you THEIR address",
I understand that but they aren't investigating whether the donations are made to a religious organization. They are investigating how the organizations use the money. True? I really doubt that anyone sending money to Benny Hinn thinks he's a frugal man. The government wants it both ways. They don't want church interference and they want to be able to interfere with how the churches spend the money. I'm all for the govt. investigating these folks. I am also for churches being able to go into govt. and see how they spend their money. Talk about hypocrites.
 
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Red Robin said:
kolanuraven said:
Red Robin said:
Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. I do find it odd that the govt. is investigating a church. Where are the seperation of church and state bunch? Hmmmm???


Yeah...but this is about all that" tax exempt" buisness going on.

You've got poor people, old people sending their last dollars to these snake oil salesmen.


They've got a great racket going, no doubt.

What's that line in that song, " Send your money to God but they give you THEIR address",
I understand that but they aren't investigating whether the donations are made to a religious organization. They are investigating how the organizations use the money. True? I really doubt that anyone sending money to Benny Hinn thinks he's a frugal man. The government wants it both ways. They don't want church interference and they want to be able to interfere with how the churches spend the money. I'm all for the govt. investigating these folks. I am also for churches being able to go into govt. and see how they spend their money. Talk about hypocrites.

:roll: There are dozens of watchdog groups reporting how our government spends our money. Your church can set one up and report on what they find just like any other organization.

http://www.ntu.org/main/

http://www.commonwealthfoundation.org/

http://www.ombwatch.org/

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer

are just a few watchdogs.
 

Red Robin

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:lol2: and will you allow me to put the ones in jail that spend money foolishly? What legal foothold do any of these panty waist "watchdogs" have? The president can't stop congress and the congress can't stop the president. Are you so naive that you think watch dog groups actually make a dent on the wasteful, wallowing in money, vicious , reckless abandon spending that is being done by YOUR party , as well as mine.

OUR GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATING ANYONE TO SEE WHETHER THEY ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IS STUPID!
 

Tex

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Red Robin said:
:lol2: and will you allow me to put the ones in jail that spend money foolishly? What legal foothold do any of these panty waist "watchdogs" have? The president can't stop congress and the congress can't stop the president. Are you so naive that you think watch dog groups actually make a dent on the wasteful, wallowing in money, vicious , reckless abandon spending that is being done by YOUR party , as well as mine.

OUR GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATING ANYONE TO SEE WHETHER THEY ARE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE IS STUPID!

Grassley brings up a good point--are these tax exempt organizations acting like the tax exempt organizations they are portraying themselves to be to the public? Do they still fall under the category of being tax exempt?

Grassley works hard at closing the loopholes in our taxing policy. To that end, all taxpayers owe him a debt of gratitude. His efforts allow taxes to be lower and more fair.
 

Red Robin

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I wouldn't support any of these "preachers" . I think they sure are stupid with the donated money. I am also against the tax exempt donations to a church. Having said that this is not a place for governement in my book. They need to sweep their own doorstep off. If there's a real problem then let the court system work through it with private law suits.
 

rider

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First, all people all subject to corruption. It's not just the gov't, the charismatic leaders, the CEO's, but every one of us that is subject to corruption and evil-doing. Just because our individual corruptions, small as they may be, aren't bulldozing thousands does not make any one of us any better. (I know this will draw a response.) It is what is in our hearts of doing right vs. justifying wrongs as okay that makes us who we are.

Second, people who are giving to any one of those leaders don't take offense at how the money is spent. That is moneymogers and lobbyists who care about that. People who give to christian organizations do so partly out of the view that to give is to receive. Remember the lesson about the camel going through the eye of a needle? It is more likely for that to happen than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Point being all that wealth only makes us rely more on ourselves than to rely on God. Giving away our money makes us better people.

Third, all is God's anyway!

Lastly, why is it that everyone thinks that because one is ordained that those individuals are any better than anyone else? The truth is those in christian leadership are more likely to be tempted, attacked, and then condemned for their wrongdoing. There are many in leadership that (Praise the Lord) are not facing such temptations. Billy Graham, Rick Warren, and many others do not keep all their profits. They know the dangers associated with that. They also are the most humble of all people recognizing their humanity.

As for miracles, if you really and truly believed you too would see miracles. It may not be the miracle you are asking for, expecting, or wanting, but the miracle is still real and still magnificent. By the power of Jesus Christ, miracles continue to happen even in this day and age. We are just blinded by our western way of thinking that we don't see them.
 

Tex

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Red Robin said:
I wouldn't support any of these "preachers" . I think they sure are stupid with the donated money. I am also against the tax exempt donations to a church. Having said that this is not a place for governement in my book. They need to sweep their own doorstep off. If there's a real problem then let the court system work through it with private law suits.

The IRS doesn't achieve results with private lawsuits.
 

Red Robin

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Tex said:
Red Robin said:
I wouldn't support any of these "preachers" . I think they sure are stupid with the donated money. I am also against the tax exempt donations to a church. Having said that this is not a place for governement in my book. They need to sweep their own doorstep off. If there's a real problem then let the court system work through it with private law suits.

The IRS doesn't achieve results with private lawsuits.
What? Are you saying the don't come under the 501C3 tax exempt status ? So if the governments point is that they violate their 501C3 status then they won't allow contributions to these organizations to be tax deductable. Do you want to take away the deduction from the little old lady watching tv? :lol: It's all about money and the fact that this much money is going somewhere without a tax excised on it.
 

kolanuraven

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Red Robin said:
I wouldn't support any of these "preachers" . I think they sure are stupid with the donated money. I am also against the tax exempt donations to a church. Having said that this is not a place for governement in my book. They need to sweep their own doorstep off. If there's a real problem then let the court system work through it with private law suits.


I think there are several private law suits that triggered this all.

There is to be a HUGE report tonite on our local news due to the fact that Creflo Dollar is involved and he's BIG in Atl with his mega church.


I'll have to watch it and get the details.
 
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