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More problems with the slaughter ban?

Faster horses

Well-known member
I don't know if this is fact, but I heard this afternoon 2nd hand from
a fellow who was told this by a Livestock Auction owner.

There is an attachment on this bill which will prohibit selling the
horses to anyone in Mexico or Canada. If that is so, we are really
between a rock and a hard spot.
 
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Anonymous

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Faster horses said:
I don't know if this is fact, but I heard this afternoon 2nd hand from
a fellow who was told this by a Livestock Auction owner.

There is an attachment on this bill which will prohibit selling the
horses to anyone in Mexico or Canada. If that is so, we are really
between a rock and a hard spot.

This looks to me like they can try to stop them from going to slaughter anywhere- anyway I know that is the intent......The letter I received from Johanns to the Congress indicated that the USDA would be required to take control of and care for all abandoned, deserted or neglected horses- at taxpayer expense...

I wish I could find that letter- guess I deleted it...


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September 6, 2006 Phone: 406-672-8969; e-mail: [email protected]



Cattle Producers Oppose Ban on Horse Slaughter



(Billings, Mont.) – The U.S. House of Representatives is tentatively scheduled to vote this week on HR 503, “The American Horse Slaughter Prevention Act.” If passed, the bill would go to the U.S. Senate for consideration. If passed there, it would mean an immediate, permanent ban on the “shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling or donation of horses and other equines to be slaughtered for human consumption, or other purposes.” There are three horse-slaughtering facilities in the United States, which ship the resulting products overseas where diners consider the meat a cultural delicacy.



“R-CALF USA opposes legislation that would ban horse slaughter in the United States,” said R-CALF USA President and Region V Director Chuck Kiker. “Horses are the private property of ranchers and cattle farmers all across this country, and under the free-enterprise system this nation was founded on, horse owners should be able to maintain their right to dispose of their private property as they see fit. We don’t need another layer of federal bureaucracy to intrude on our daily business decisions.



“The horse industry is extremely large in the United States, and producers need options to economically market unwanted horses,” Kiker concluded.



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R-CALF USA (Ranchers-Cattlemen Action Legal Fund, United Stockgrowers of America) is a national, non-profit organization and is dedicated to ensuring the continued profitability and viability of the U.S. cattle industry. R-CALF USA represents thousands of U.S. cattle producers on both domestic and international trade and marketing issues. Members are located across 47 states and are primarily cow/calf operators, cattle backgrounders, and/or feedlot owners. R-CALF USA has more than 60 affiliate organizations and various main-street businesses are associate members. For more information, visit www.r-calfusa.com or, call 406-252-2516.
 
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Anonymous

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109TH CONGRESS H. R. 503
2D SESSION

[Report No. 109617, Part I]

To amend the Horse Protection Act to prohibit the shipping, transporting,
moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation
of horses and other equines to be slaughtered for human consumption,
and for other purposes.




IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
FEBRUARY 1, 2005
Mr. SWEENEY (for himself, Mr. SPRATT, Mr. WHITFIELD, Mrs. BONO, Mr.
BROWN of Ohio, Mr. COX, Mrs. CAPPS, Mr. ENGEL, Ms. ESHOO, Mr.
FERGUSON, Mr. GENE GREEN of Texas, Mr. PALLONE, Mr. TOWNS, Mr.
GALLEGLY, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, and Mr. SHAYS) introduced the fol-
lowing bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and Com-
merce

JULY 13, 2006
Rereferred to the Commitee on Energy and Commerce, and in addition, to the
Committee on Agriculture

SEPTEMBER 6, 2006
Additional sponsors: Mr. LATOURETTE, Mr. GONZALEZ, Mr. WAXMAN, Mr.
PITTS, Mr. BILIRAKIS, Mr. RAHALL, Mr. CRENSHAW, Mr. JONES of
North Carolina, Mr. KILDEE, Mr. VAN HOLLEN, Mr. FARR, Mr. KING
of New York, Mr. SHERMAN, Mr. DICKS, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. GEORGE MIL-
LER of California, Mr. DOYLE, Mr. LEWIS of California, Ms.
SCHAKOWSKY, Mrs. MALONEY, Mr. HASTINGS of Florida, Mr. STRICK-
LAND, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. MCNULTY, Mr. HINCHEY, Mr. STARK, Mr.
RUSH, Mr. TAYLOR of Mississippi, Mr. TIERNEY, Mr. FILNER, Mr.
MENENDEZ, Mr. SIMMONS, Mr. WU, Mr. SHAW, Mr. WILSON of South
Carolina, Mr. NADLER, Mr. ROTHMAN, Mr. LARSEN of Washington, Mr.
KENNEDY of Rhode Island, Ms. MCCOLLUM of Minnesota, Ms. WATSON,





Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mr. GRIJALVA, Ms. LEE, Mr. FOLEY, Mr.
OLVER, Mr. PAYNE, Ms. BALDWIN, Mrs. NAPOLITANO, Ms. SCHWARTZ
of Pennsylvania, Mr. SERRANO, Mr. TOM DAVIS of Virginia, Ms.



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SLAUGHTER, Ms. BERKLEY, Mr. NEY, Mr. KIRK, Ms. WATERS, Mr.
UDALL of New Mexico, Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN, Mr. CUMMINGS, Ms. HAR-

RIS, Mr. BECERRA, Mr. PLATTS, Mr. CASTLE, Ms. VELAZQUEZ, Mr. INS-
LEE, Mr. LANGEVIN, Mr. FRANK of Massachusetts, Mr. BERMAN, Mr.
ABERCROMBIE, Mr. LINDER, Mr. EVANS, Mr. MICHAUD, Ms. ZOE
LOFGREN of California, Mr. WYNN, Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania, Mr.
MCGOVERN, Mr. ISRAEL, Mr. MARKEY, Mr. PRICE of North Carolina,
Mrs. TAUSCHER, Mr. DELAHUNT, Mr. SMITH of New Jersey, Mrs.
MCCARTHY, Mr. WEINER, Mrs. MYRICK, Mr. NEAL of Massachusetts,
Mr. SCOTT of Virginia, Mr. BOEHLERT, Mr. MOORE of Kansas, Mr. POR-
TER, Ms. SOLIS, Mr. ACKERMAN, Mr. CAPUANO, Mr. WOLF, Ms.
DELAURO, Mr. RANGEL, Mr. GUTIERREZ, Mr. LYNCH, Mr. DAVIS of
Florida, Mr. CHABOT, Ms. MATSUI, Mr. HOLT, Ms. CARSON, Ms. ROY-
BAL-ALLARD, Mr. LARSON of Connecticut, Mr. BROWN of South Caro-
lina, Mr. AL GREEN of Texas, Mr. CLEAVER, Mr. GOODE, Mrs. JO ANN
DAVIS of Virginia, Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas, Mr. MEE-
HAN, Mr. FITZPATRICK of Pennsylvania, Mr. OWENS, Mr. ANDREWS, Mr.
RYAN of Ohio, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. WEXLER, Mr.
MCCOTTER, Mr. LANTOS, Ms. KAPTUR, Ms. KILPATRICK of Michigan,

Mr. CLYBURN, Ms. LINDA T. SANCHEZ of California, Mr. EMANUEL, Mr.
RUPPERSBERGER, Mr. DENT, Ms. PRYCE of Ohio, Mr. CASE, Mr.
FATTAH, Mr. KLINE, Mr. YOUNG of Florida, Mr. GREEN of Wisconsin,
Mr. GERLACH, Mr. BRADY of Pennsylvania, Mr. EHLERS, Ms.
BORDALLO, Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN, Mr. DOGGETT, Mrs. DAVIS of Cali-
fornia, Mr. INGLIS of South Carolina, Mr. BARRETT of South Carolina,
Ms. MILLENDER-MCDONALD, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. KEL-
LER, Mr. BACHUS, Mr. LINCOLN DIAZ-BALART of Florida, Ms. NORTON,
Mr. OXLEY, Mrs. KELLY, Mr. WAMP, Ms. LORETTA SANCHEZ of Cali-
fornia, Mr. SCHIFF, Mr. BISHOP of New York, Mr. MILLER of North
Carolina, Mr. HOSTETTLER, Mrs. JONES of Ohio, Mr. DEFAZIO, Ms.
JACKSON-LEE of Texas, Mr. BLUMENAUER, Mr. HAYWORTH, Mr.
KUCINICH, Mr. JACKSON of Illinois, Mr. FORD, Mr. THOMPSON of Mis-
sissippi, Mr. ENGLISH of Pennsylvania, Mr. LEWIS of Kentucky, Mr.
REGULA, Mr. MEEKS of New York, Ms. DEGETTE, Mr. RAMSTAD, Mr.
DAVIS of Illinois, Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. LOBIONDO, Mr. BAIRD, Mr.
HYDE, Mr. SHUSTER, Ms. MOORE of Wisconsin, Mrs. LOWEY, Mr. CHAN-
DLER, Mr. ROGERS of Kentucky, Mr. CRAMER, Mr. HUNTER, Mr.
WELLER, Mr. CAMPBELL of California, and Mr. BURTON of Indiana

SEPTEMBER 6, 2006
Reported adversely from the Committee on Agriculture with an amendment
[Strike out all after the enacting clause and insert the part printed in italic]

SEPTEMBER 6, 2006
Committee on Energy and Commerce discharged; committed to the Committee
of the Whole House on the State of the Union and ordered to be printed





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[For text of introduced bill, see copy of bill as introduced on February 1, 2005]




A BILL
To amend the Horse Protection Act to prohibit the shipping,
transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing,
purchasing, selling, or donation of horses and other
equines to be slaughtered for human consumption, and
for other purposes.
1 Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa-
2 tives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
3 SECTION 1. PROHIBITION ON SHIPPING, TRANSPORTING,
4 MOVING, DELIVERING, RECEIVING, POS-
5 SESSING, PURCHASING, SELLING, OR DONA-
6 TION OF HORSES AND OTHER EQUINES FOR
7 SLAUGHTER FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.

8 (a) DEFINITIONS.--Section 2 of the Horse Protection
9 Act (15 U.S.C. 1821) is amended--
10 (1) by redesignating paragraphs (1), (2), (3),
11 and (4) as paragraphs (2), (3), (5), and (6), respec-
12 tively;
13 (2) by inserting before paragraph (2), as so re-
14 designated, the following new paragraph:
15 ``(1) The term `human consumption' means in-
16 gestion by people as a source of food.''; and





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1 (3) by inserting after paragraph (3), as so redes-
2 ignated, the following new paragraph:
3 ``(4) The term `slaughter' means the killing of
4 one or more horses or other equines with the intent
5 to sell or trade the flesh for human consumption.''.
6 (b) FINDINGS.--Section 3 of the Horse Protection Act
7 (15 U.S.C. 1822) is amended--
8 (1) by redesignating paragraphs (1) through (5)
9 as paragraphs (6) through (10), respectively;
10 (2) by adding before paragraph (6), as so redes-
11 ignated, the following new paragraphs:
12 ``(1) horses and other equines play a vital role
13 in the collective experience of the United States and
14 deserve protection and compassion;
15 ``(2) horses and other equines are domestic ani-
16 mals that are used primarily for recreation, pleasure,
17 and sport;
18 ``(3) unlike cows, pigs, and many other animals,
19 horses and other equines are not raised for the pur-
20 pose of being slaughtered for human consumption;
21 ``(4) individuals selling horses or other equines
22 at auctions are seldom aware that the animals may
23 be bought for the purpose of being slaughtered for
24 human consumption; and





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1 ``(5) the Animal and Plant Health Inspection
2 Service of the Department of Agriculture has found
3 that horses and other equines cannot be safely and hu-
4 manely transported in double deck trailers;''; and
5 (3) by striking paragraph (8), as so redesig-
6 nated, and inserting the following new paragraph:
7 ``(8) the movement, showing, exhibition, or sale
8 of sore horses in intrastate commerce, and the ship-
9 ping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, pos-
10 sessing, purchasing, selling, or donation in intrastate
11 commerce of horses and other equines to be slaugh-
12 tered for human consumption, adversely affect and
13 burden interstate and foreign commerce;''.
14 (c) PROHIBITION.--Section 5 of the Horse Protection
15 Act (15 U.S.C. 1824) is amended--
16 (1) by redesignating paragraphs (8) through (11)
17 as paragraphs (9) through (12), respectively; and
18 (2) by inserting after paragraph (7) the fol-
19 lowing new paragraph:
20 ``(8) As a pilot program to evaluate the feasi-
21 bility and practicability of imposing such a prohibi-
22 tion nation-wide, the shipping, transporting, moving,
23 delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling,
24 or donation of any horse or other equine in the States





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1 of Kentucky or New York to be slaughtered for human
2 consumption, unless the equine--
3 ``(A) is owned or controlled by a State or
4 local government or owned by an individual who
5 purchased the equine from a State or local gov-
6 ernment;
7 ``(B) will be slaughtered at a facility oper-
8 ating before the date of the enactment of this
9 paragraph; or
10 ``(C) will be slaughtered for human con-
11 sumption for charitable or humanitarian pur-
12 poses.''.
13 (d) AUTHORITY TO DETAIN.--Section 6(e) of the Horse
14 Protection Act (15 U.S.C. 1825(e)) is amended--
15 (1) by striking the first sentence of paragraph
16 (1);
17 (2) by redesignating paragraphs (1) and (2) as
18 paragraphs (2) and (3), respectively; and
19 (3) by inserting before paragraph (2), as so re-
20 designated, the following new paragraph:
21 ``(1) The Secretary may detain for examination, test-
22 ing, or the taking of evidence--
23 ``(A) any horse at any horse show, horse exhi-
24 bition, or horse sale or auction which is sore or which





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1 the Secretary has probable cause to believe is sore;
2 and
3 ``(B) any horse or other equine which the Sec-
4 retary has probable cause to believe is being shipped,
5 transported, moved, delivered, received, possessed, pur-
6 chased, sold, or donated in violation of section 5(8).''.
7 (e) REIMBURSEMENT.--Section 11 of the Horse Protec-
8 tion Act (15 U.S.C. 1830) is amended to read as follows:
9 ``SEC. 11. REIMBURSEMENT OF OWNERS FOR LOSS OF
10 VALUE OF HORSES.
11 ``The Secretary shall compensate the owner of an
12 equine who disposes of such equine due to the prohibition
13 under section 5(8). The Secretary shall compensate such
14 owner for the total amount of--
15 ``(1) the loss in value of the equine due to such
16 prohibition; and
17 ``(2) the costs incurred in the disposal of such
18 equine.''.
19 (f) RESPONSIBILITY UNWANTED HORSES.--The
FOR
20 Horse Protection Act is further amended by inserting after
21 section 11 (15 U.S.C. 1830), as amended by subsection (e),
22 the following new section:
23 ``SEC. 11A. RESPONSIBILITY FOR UNWANTED HORSES.

24 ``The Secretary shall assume responsibility for any




25 equine that is unwanted by an owner.''.

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1 (g) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.--Section 12
2 of the Horse Protection Act (15 U.S.C. 1831) is amended
3 by striking ``$500,000'' and inserting ``$5,000,000''.





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Anonymous

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To amend the Horse Protection Act to prohibit the shipping,
transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing,
purchasing, selling, or donation of horses and other
equines to be slaughtered for human consumption, and
for other purposes
.

I would say that "and for other purposes" pretty much covers slaughter for everything... I know the pet food and zoo people were fighting it- I guess the lions love horse meat....
 

SHORTSTUFF

Well-known member
THE GOVERMENT WILL REIMBURSE YOU AND THEN TAKE CARE OF THE HORSE??? IS THAT WHAT I READ? WHERE DOES THE LINE FORM?

MAYBE I'LL BECOME A CONTRACTOR, IF YOU COULD STAND IT YOU COULD PICK UP A LOT OF MONEY.
 

Buyer

Well-known member
More horse feed lots just like the BLM horse lots? Maybe they can get some tree hugger to run them or turn them over to the game and parks for the cowboy trail that runs from Norfolk to Chadron.
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
How can the country ever move in a forward positive direction, with so many idiots in charge? Hope the senators are smarter than the representatives. At least Tom Osborne, who represents my particular district, voted properly.
 

passin thru

Well-known member
Next question................

OK we have a slaughter ban and some on here have mentioned "SSS" instead of a vet putting them down and paying to have them hauled away..............now bring in premise ID and RFID and all that it entails or could entail.

Man the possibilities..........................
 

Charlie

Well-known member
If this ban does happen, it will get really ugly :evil: I just have to wonder how many horses will be hauled a few counties away and turned loose.
 

Texan

Well-known member
Charlie said:
If this ban does happen, it will get really ugly :evil: I just have to wonder how many horses will be hauled a few counties away and turned loose.
That's one of the things that worries me, Charlie. When some of these liberal feel good type horse owners find out their horses are no longer worth anything, I expect many of them will just turn them out to fend for themselves. And leave the rest of us to do the shooting.

But it's a long way from that. The Senate has to pass it and I don't think they will. If they do, the President has to sign it. And if that happens, it still has to stand up to court challenges. I think the only immediate result of this legislation passing the House will be a lot more horses killed in the next few months. Probably some that wouldn't have been slaughtered any time soon. I hope RoperAB and the PETA bunch can live with that extra horse blood on their hands. :lol:
 

Charlie

Well-known member
I guess I am putting the horse before the cart. I always used to be so positive. We can always hope that is how the vote turns out. I am a country girl thrown into a corporate world with my job and sometimes I don't like what I see. I am too quick to predict the worst anymore. Please excuse me for sounding so negative some times. Just venting I guess. :oops:
 

Soapweed

Well-known member
Texan said:
Charlie said:
If this ban does happen, it will get really ugly :evil: I just have to wonder how many horses will be hauled a few counties away and turned loose.
That's one of the things that worries me, Charlie. When some of these liberal feel good type horse owners find out their horses are no longer worth anything, I expect many of them will just turn them out to fend for themselves. And leave the rest of us to do the shooting.

But it's a long way from that. The Senate has to pass it and I don't think they will. If they do, the President has to sign it. And if that happens, it still has to stand up to court challenges. I think the only immediate result of this legislation passing the House will be a lot more horses killed in the next few months. Probably some that wouldn't have been slaughtered any time soon. I hope RoperAB and the PETA bunch can live with that extra horse blood on their hands. :lol:

It will be like the ostrich and emu mess, only much bigger. Many of the people who were going to make their fortunes by raising and selling ostriches and emus, found out what can happen when the bottom falls out of the market. Big birds that they had paid large amounts of money for, suddenly became worth nothing. There was no market for the birds, and the people could no longer afford to feed them. Many were turned loose on the highways and byways of America, and car accidents occurred as a result. It was a mess, and I only hope America wakes up before the same thing happens on a much larger scale with horses.
 

Big Muddy rancher

Well-known member
Soapweed said:
Texan said:
Charlie said:
If this ban does happen, it will get really ugly :evil: I just have to wonder how many horses will be hauled a few counties away and turned loose.
That's one of the things that worries me, Charlie. When some of these liberal feel good type horse owners find out their horses are no longer worth anything, I expect many of them will just turn them out to fend for themselves. And leave the rest of us to do the shooting.

But it's a long way from that. The Senate has to pass it and I don't think they will. If they do, the President has to sign it. And if that happens, it still has to stand up to court challenges. I think the only immediate result of this legislation passing the House will be a lot more horses killed in the next few months. Probably some that wouldn't have been slaughtered any time soon. I hope RoperAB and the PETA bunch can live with that extra horse blood on their hands. :lol:

It will be like the ostrich and emu mess, only much bigger. Many of the people who were going to make their fortunes by raising and selling ostriches and emus, found out what can happen when the bottom falls out of the market. Big birds that they had paid large amounts of money for, suddenly became worth nothing. There was no market for the birds, and the people could no longer afford to feed them. Many were turned loose on the highways and byways of America, and car accidents occurred as a result. It was a mess, and I only hope America wakes up before the same thing happens on a much larger scale with horses.


And just think of the size of the holes those horse will need to stick their heads into. :wink:
 

IL Rancher

Well-known member
The same people who are behind this are the ones that are keeping mountain lion seasons from happing and preventing Wolves from being removed from Federal protection.. I think I have it figured out, they need the horses for the wolves to eat?

I couldn't even find what my Rep voted... Looked and looked and he was't listed.. Strange... I would imagine the Senate will be much, much closer as the Ag states have just as much push/pull as the other states... You know the Admin won't veto it as they don't tend to do things like that... Have to wonder if it would stand up to legal challenge, who knows.
 
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Anonymous

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My take on this is this bill takes away even more state and individual rights than the original proposed federal run mandatory ID does. If passed the federal government will by able to tell you who to or who not or where you can sell your private property (horse) and it gives the federal government thru USDA almost unlimited authority to seize a horse for even a slight limp or a saddle sore (probable cause to believe is sore)....This is a PETA way of moving the federal government into a humane society enforcement role, which previously has been the duties of and handled efficiently by state and local agencies and governments...

It also says the USDA (US taxpayer) must care for all unwanted horses...Where will they put all the abandoned horses? Next will be a call to stock the federal owned property (BLM- Forest Service) with the public owned horses- instead of leasing for ranchers cattle...

BAD LAW ALL THE WAY--CONTACT YOUR SENATORS TO STOP IT......
 
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