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per

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It appears that instinct rules the day. Don't want to mess any good pontification up with facts. That is the liberal way.
 

Sandhusker

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I think Reader's recent post explains a lot of the Liberal mind-set; She said, "I am sure that there are skeletons in Obama's closet..."

WELL NO SHEET! How about acknowledging some of those skeletons for a change! The guy's past is full of skeletons and questions, but Libs just look the other way and cover for the guy. Then, some of us point out the crap that he's done and it's OUR common sense and patriotism that is questioned! Holy bassackwards philosophy, Batman!
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
Sandhusker said:
I think Reader's recent post explains a lot of the Liberal mind-set; She said, "I am sure that there are skeletons in Obama's closet..."

WELL NO SHEET! How about acknowledging some of those skeletons for a change! The guy's past is full of skeletons and questions, but Libs just look the other way and cover for the guy. Then, some of us point out the crap that he's done and it's OUR common sense and patriotism that is questioned! Holy bassackwards philosophy, Batman!

Do you don't agree with me that all people and all politicians have skeletons in their closet? Including Bush, McCain, Palin, and so on?

You are the opposite. Your mantra is doom and gloom and woe is us. I take a balanced view but from the view of a doom and gloom person, it's not possible to grasp that.

Please point out POLICY, legislation, and not smear campaign crapola.

Of course everybody has skeletons. However, part of the process is examining those skeletons and determining if any of them disqualify the candidate for office. You can't just say, "Well, everybody has them" and then pretend they're not there. I'm not doom and gloom, I'm reality. I can bring something to back my position, just like I did yesterday on Ayers. I dare say I put you up a tree on that one, but I'll also bet that in your next conversation on the topic, you'll still say he was sorry.

So now, you don't want to talk character as Obama fails miserably on that topic. Ok, let's talk policy and legislation. What legislation has Obama got through that would suggest he would make a great President? His only policy is a vague buzzword, "change". I'll submit to you his vote to legalize what amounts to infanticide in the Infants Born Alive Act. I'll raise the ante with his subsequent lie on his vote.
 

Sandhusker

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Reader, can't come up with any of Obama's legislative achievements?

Here's one for you;
http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000007034.cfm
 

Tam

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This is a snip from the article written by Ryan Lizza that got him ban from the campaign press core plane. The article Joe was talking about.


In the State Senate, Jones did something even more important for Obama. He pushed him forward as the key sponsor of some of the Party’s most important legislation, even though the move did not sit well with some colleagues who had plugged away in the minority on bills that Obama now championed as part of the majority. “Because he had been in the minority, Barack didn’t have a legislative record to run on, and there was a buildup of all these great ideas that the Republicans kept in the rules committee when they were in the majority,” Burns said. “Jones basically gave Obama the space to do what Obama wanted to do. Emil made it clear to people that it would be good for them.” Burns, who at that point was working for Jones, was assigned to keep an eye on Obama’s floor votes, which, because he was a Senate candidate, would be under closer scrutiny. The Obama-Jones alliance worked. In one year, 2003, Obama passed much of the legislation, including bills on racial profiling, death-penalty reform, and expanded health insurance for children, that he highlighted in his Senate campaign.

ONE STEP AHEAD

Perhaps the greatest misconception about Barack Obama is that he is some sort of anti-establishment revolutionary. Rather, every stage of his political career has been marked by an eagerness to accommodate himself to existing institutions rather than tear them down or replace them. When he was a community organizer, he channelled his work through Chicago’s churches, because they were the main bases of power on the South Side. He was an agnostic when he started, and the work led him to become a practicing Christian. At Harvard, he won the presidency of the Law Review by appealing to the conservatives on the selection panel. In Springfield, rather than challenge the Old Guard Democratic leaders, Obama built a mutually beneficial relationship with them. “You have the power to make a United States senator,” he told Emil Jones in 2003. In his downtime, he played poker with lobbyists and Republican lawmakers. In Washington, he has been a cautious senator and, when he arrived, made a point of not defining himself as an opponent of the Iraq war.

Like many politicians, Obama is paradoxical. He is by nature an incrementalist, yet he has laid out an ambitious first-term agenda (energy independence, universal health care, withdrawal from Iraq). He campaigns on reforming a broken political process, yet he has always played politics by the rules as they exist, not as he would like them to exist. He runs as an outsider, but he has succeeded by mastering the inside game. He is ideologically a man of the left, but at times he has been genuinely deferential to core philosophical insights of the right.

Obama’s establishment inclinations have alienated some old friends. During the 2004 Senate primary, Obama sometimes reminded voters of his anti-machine credentials, but at the same time he shrewdly wrote to Mayor Daley’s brother, William, who had backed one of Obama’s primary opponents, asking for his support if he won the primary. As he outgrew the provincial politics of Hyde Park, he became closer to the Mayor, and this accommodation, as well as his unwillingness to condemn the corruption scandals ensnaring Daley and Blagojevich, both of whom he supported for reëlection, have some of his original supporters feeling alienated and angry. “I am not thrilled with Barack, simply because we elected him as an Independent, and he switched over to Daley,” Alan Dobry said. Ivory Mitchell, speaking of Obama’s Senate race, said, “When he won the primary out here and he went downtown, it appears as though Daley took over the campaign for him. . . . We were excluded.” David Axelrod told me, in response, that some of the Independents on the South Side blame Daley for just about anything. “I think there’s kind of this Wizard of Oz mystique,” he said. “Daley had virtually no role in the Senate campaign.”

Another transition from primary to general election is now under way for Obama, and it is causing him a similar set of problems, all of which stem from a realization among his supporters that superheroes don’t become President; politicians do. Judging by the reaction to Obama’s most recent decisions—his willingness to support legislation to modify the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, his rightward shift on interpreting the Second Amendment, his decision to “refine” his Iraq policies—some voters will be crushed by this realization and others will be relieved. In another episode that has Obama’s old friends feeling frustrated, Obama recently blamed his first campaign manager, Carol Anne Harwell, for reporting on a 1996 questionnaire that Obama favored a ban on handguns. According to her friends, Harwell was furious that the campaign made her Obama’s scapegoat. “She got, as the saying goes, run over by a bus,” Lois Friedberg-Dobry said


After reading the full article, I'm surprised Obama didn't throw Ryan off the plane while it was in flight. It's no wonder Ryan was scared to make any TV appearances after he wrote the article. But Joe S was right if the press knew this stuff then why didn't they send investigators to check it out. And Sean Hannity is right when he said something to the affect that the truth in the media died in 2008 :x
 

Sandhusker

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Sandhusker said:
Reader, can't come up with any of Obama's legislative achievements?

Here's one for you;
http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000007034.cfm

I guess you don't want to talk about policy....
 
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