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MSNBC issued fraudulent transcript of Rand Paul interview

hypocritexposer

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Don, did you see the actual interview or read the fraudulent quotes generated from the MSNBC transcript?

I've noticed a few recent news articles are reporting Rand had the following exchange with Rachel Maddow.

Maddow: Do you think that a private business has the right to say, "We don't serve black people"?

Paul: Yes. I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form...

If you go to the video however, Rand obviously never said the word "yes". Here it is, cued up to the exact moment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGdP2mNPeo#t=8m1s

It was merely some sort of insignificant vocalization to maintain the flow of conversation that was already made difficult by the satellite delay. Now he WAS laying out what the arguments would be for "yes", but he never actually said "yes". It makes a BIG difference to insert that word there.

Here are some of the major media outlets I have come across that are using the nonexistent "yes" quote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/us/politics/21paul.html
http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/8ef5320729ce4298abefc1903704...
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/05/white-house-...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/rand_paul...

After doing a little google searching though, you will see that those articles above are just the beginning. Both the New York Times and the Associated Press articles have been propagated in MANY major media outlets (too many to list) and also many many more smaller media outlets.

UPDATE:
Looks like MSNBC released a fraudulent transcript that may be the source of all these misquotes popping up.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37252841/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_madd...
http://i46.tinypic.com/2dhb5lv.jpg

UPDATE #2: A fill-in for Rachel Maddow acknowledged on Friday's show that their transcript was "totally misleading", but said the quote was still "technically correct" and declined to apologize for it. The host also acted like it was just the New York Times that used the misquote, when in fact there were many more media outlets that did, all because of their shady transcript.

Here is the video from Friday's show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg5zOQ05b9E

UPDATE #3: NewsBusters has picked up the story and is linking to this thread!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/05/22/rachel...

UPDATE #4: DP user j has pointed out ANOTHER misquote of Rand Paul by the Rachel Maddow Show. From Thursday's show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JFKsV0SKDA

UPDATE #5: Influential Kentucky political blog BlueGrassBulletin has picked up the story and is linking here as well:
http://www.bluegrassbulletin.com/2010/05/rand-paul-controver...

UPDATE #6: LewRockwell.com is linking here!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/58246.html

UPDATE #7: More than 4 complete days after the original interview and 2 complete days after the clarification segment on The Rachel Maddow Show, none of the news outlets I listed above have bothered to correct the record in any way that I can see, including the New York Times, who was specifically corrected on air by The Rachel Maddow Show. MSNBC has not corrected their transcript either, even though they admit it is "totally misleading".

UPDATE #8: Hmmm... On "The Maddow Blog" on the MSNBC website, there is a version of the transcript with the "yes" left out:
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/05/20/4313688-ran...

MADDOW: Do you think that a private business has the right to say we don't serve black people?

PAUL: I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form...

How about a little consistency here? Do they even have any written procedures in place for transcribing? Or were they just playing dirty tricks?

Actually, I don't think they have any written procedures in place at all, because here is the 3rd version of their transcribing technique I have found:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37279599/ns/meet_the_press/

MS. RACHEL MADDOW: Do you think that a private business has a right to say, "We don't serve black people"?

DR. PAUL: I'm not in, I'm not in, I'm not in--yeah--I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form ...

The 2nd and 3rd versions are really a lot more accurate than the 1st version. Unfortunately, the 1st version was the one that counted. And they still haven't corrected it.

UPDATE #9: Before MSNBC points fingers at the New York Times, they might want to issue a correction to the article on their own website.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37255639

They didn't write it as it is an AP article, but they should still be able to issue a correcting statement at the beginning or end of the article, or just remove it.

UPDATE #10: Andrew Breitbart's bigjournalism.com is linking to this thread in an article and at the top of their front page (6th TOP STORY). Good article with a shoutout to the Daily Paul!
http://bigjournalism.com/llyman/2010/05/24/rand-paul-wanders...
 

don

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saw the interview but was jumping back to watch caribou barbie on hannity some. paint it anyway you like but the consensus is he didn't look good. like i said, your pig don't look good no matter how much lipstick you use.
 

hypocritexposer

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don said:
saw the interview but was jumping back to watch caribou barbie on hannity some. paint it anyway you like but the consensus is he didn't look good. like i said, your pig don't look good no matter how much lipstick you use.

He's not my pig, but to claim that his statements were something they were not, is deceitful.

He stated the exact opposite of what you claimed he said. And then MSNBC falsely quoted him, so they could then smear him.
 

don

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boo hoo. i guess you heard a lot different than what others heard. give it up. of course msnbc will spin it the same as every other news show - including fox with their fair and balanced right wing point of view. he said crap he should have left unsaid otherwise nobody would have had the chance to make him look like an out of date yokel. will he get elected - i don't know. maybe his stance will help.
 

hypocritexposer

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don said:
boo hoo. i guess you heard a lot different than what others heard. give it up. of course msnbc will spin it the same as every other news show - including fox with their fair and balanced right wing point of view. he said crap he should have left unsaid otherwise nobody would have had the chance to make him look like an out of date yokel. will he get elected - i don't know. maybe his stance will help.

MSNBC did not "spin" it, they changed his words, when they released the transcript.

What part should have been left unsaid? Quote it, so we will have a better idea of which part you are referring to.
 

don

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he should have never gotten to where they were cornering him into either yes or no a private business owner should be able to choose whether or not to do business with a person based on that person's colour. as was pointed out tonight on olbermann rand paul was not prepared to do that interview and he said he was treated very fairly. now go convince yourself he never said what he said and keep pretending that moving farther and farther to the right will attract more voters. as i said the libertarians have some issues they should be using to gather support but paul came off looking totally unprepared and totally unaware that it is the twenty-first century. he said what he said.
 

hypocritexposer

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don said:
he should have never gotten to where they were cornering him into either yes or no a private business owner should be able to choose whether or not to do business with a person based on that person's colour. as was pointed out tonight on olbermann rand paul was not prepared to do that interview and he said he was treated very fairly. now go convince yourself he never said what he said and keep pretending that moving farther and farther to the right will attract more voters. as i said the libertarians have some issues they should be using to gather support but paul came off looking totally unprepared and totally unaware that it is the twenty-first century. he said what he said.

What did he say, that you do not agree with? Please provide a quote. I have already shown you that he did not say what you said he did.

It should be pretty easy for you to provide the quote where he says that he wants to repeal the Civil rights act, if he did indeed say that.
 

don

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i listened to the interview and he was getting pretty uncomfortable about his views on the rights of private owners to decide who they do business with because he knew it wasn't coming off very well. he's said so since. tell you what - go listen to it over and over and take satisfaction in that you are right and everybody else is wrong. you're nitpicking and trying to divert. i'll say it again - he said what he said. move further to the right if you want and see if you have more friends and more support. the tea party is about to become self-defeating.
 

loomixguy

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don said:
i listened to the interview and he was getting pretty uncomfortable about his views on the rights of private owners to decide who they do business with because he knew it wasn't coming off very well. he's said so since. tell you what - go listen to it over and over and take satisfaction in that you are right and everybody else is wrong. you're nitpicking and trying to divert. i'll say it again - he said what he said. move further to the right if you want and see if you have more friends and more support. the tea party is about to become self-defeating.

It appears that the crow isn't especially tasty tonight.......
 

hypocritexposer

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don said:
i listened to the interview and he was getting pretty uncomfortable about his views on the rights of private owners to decide who they do business with because he knew it wasn't coming off very well. he's said so since. tell you what - go listen to it over and over and take satisfaction in that you are right and everybody else is wrong. you're nitpicking and trying to divert. i'll say it again - he said what he said. move further to the right if you want and see if you have more friends and more support. the tea party is about to become self-defeating.

You have already said that you did not hear the whole interview. So did you read about it in a newspaper or other location?

Fact, MSNBC's transcript of the interview was not accurate, they changed his words.

Maybe it is you that needs to watch the interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VGdP2mNPeo&feature=player_embedded#!

then compare it to the transcript, and see who is right and who isn't. Unfortunately, facts are on my side. Here's how the NYT reported it after receiving a copy of the transcript that was edited to misrepresent what was said.

Asked by Ms. Maddow if a private business had the right to refuse to serve black people, Mr. Paul replied, “Yes.”

As you can hear with your own ears, that is not an accurate transcription. What Paul says is "I'm not in, I'm not in, I'm not in (unintelligible word) I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form." The unintelligible word may be "uh" and may be "yeah" but it certainly is not "Yes."


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/us/politics/21paul.html

Now, what was actually said, if you listened to the interview, Don?

and here is another case of Maddow misquoting Paul, from the interview, the next night on her show. It's only 51 seconds long, shouldn't be that hard to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JFKsV0SKDA&feature=player_embedded

These attacks prove one thing for certain: the liberal establishment is desperate to keep leaders like me out of office, and we are sure to hear more wild, dishonest smears during this campaign.
Rand Paul
 

hypocritexposer

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Oh, and Don, don't forget to listen to part 2 of the interview, where Rand Paul states that he is all for 9 out of the 10 sections of the Civil Rights Act, but he would have tried to MODIFY the 10th part, if he was around then.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ61qYT3Pe8&feature=related

don said:
taking civil rights away as rand paul advocates will not build a better education system. focus on the present, not the past.

don said:
no he said what he said. you can argue about what he means but that lipstick ain't sitting well on the pig.

:roll:
 

don

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see your trouble is you're dogmatic and i'm pragmatic. you (and rand paul and the rest of the tea party) want to tell me how things should be but you don't want to think about how it will be achieved or if it can be achieved. the world is not necessarily how you sse it, it's a real situation where the usa is short of resources, has a growing, increasingly diverse population and is bankrupt due to following a phony version of capitalism and free enterprise. you can't go back for a do over; you'll have to suffer the consequences of the american dream being an illusion.
 

hypocritexposer

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Keep the faith don, I'm sure obama will achieve exactly what you told us he'd achieve and exactly how you said it would be accomplished.

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