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Mugabes' blood diamonds.

andybob

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shaumei said:
andybob said:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/robert_mugabes_bloody_diamond.html

what about the usa blood oil? we use it daily...
What weapons are purchased with American oil profits? and who is being murdered with these weapons? Your response is rather obscure in its' objective!
 
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Anonymous

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andybob said:
shaumei said:
andybob said:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/robert_mugabes_bloody_diamond.html

what about the usa blood oil? we use it daily...
What weapons are purchased with American oil profits? and who is being murdered with these weapons? Your response is rather obscure in its' objective!

we do not do that kind of scheme...we just do a war on terror... wherever the oil is located, these folks "attack us" so we conquer their country and steal their oil....

these crazy jihadists sitting on this oil put bombs in their underwear, shoes, cars, some with parts of real bombs. but most never actually go off as that would be too messy...but our fbi supplies the bombs to usually 18-19 year old morons that think they are going to really do something...then they do not and we then tell it over and over to idiots that listen to sean hannity that they almost took away our safety and they hate us for our freedoms....etc etc...

good thing we have idiots like Steve sign up to fight these jihadists in their countries that sit on huge reserves of oil that is very easy to get to....steve and others of course are our heros for murdering these jihadists children with automatic weapons and bombs out of planes...hope this helps...
 

hypocritexposer

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shaumei said:
andybob said:
shaumei said:
what about the usa blood oil? we use it daily...
What weapons are purchased with American oil profits? and who is being murdered with these weapons? Your response is rather obscure in its' objective!

we do not do that kind of scheme...we just do a war on terror... wherever the oil is located, these folks "attack us" so we conquer their country and steal their oil....

What Country does the US get the majority of their oil from?


Here's the top 15 Countries for US oil Imports. Which Countries has the US military conquered and how did they go about stealing their oil?


CANADA
NIGERIA
MEXICO
SAUDI ARABIA
VENEZUELA
IRAQ
ANGOLA
ALGERIA
COLOMBIA
RUSSIA
ECUADOR
BRAZIL
KUWAIT
GABON
UNITED KINGDOM



69.6% of Total Crude Imports (year to date) came from the top 5 on the list. 66% of Total petroleum imports came from the top 5. (24% from Canada)

Are you telling us that the US went into Iraq, to "steal" 4.4% of their daily needs? Does no money change hands for that 4.4%?





Maybe you should investigate what the US military has to pay for their daily supply of Oil/fuel.

Not a real prfitable operation they got going on. they mighht as well just buy 4% more from Canada and save some money.

:roll:



http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html
 

hypocritexposer

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Shamoo, here's a good question for you.

If the US went and conquered Iraq, for the oil.....why did they import less from Iraq in 2009, than they did in 2002?

And year to date, they have also imported less than they did in 2002.


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Anonymous

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stop being a naive idiot. our corporations do not send our military anywhere unless there is money in it...here you go...

Deals with Iraq are set to bring oil giants back
By Andrew E. Kramer
Published: Thursday, June 19, 2008

BAGHDAD — Four Western oil companies are in the final stages of negotiations this month on contracts that will return them to Iraq, 36 years after losing their oil concession to nationalization as Saddam Hussein rose to power.

Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP — the original partners in the Iraq Petroleum Company — along with Chevron and a number of smaller oil companies, are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to service Iraq's largest fields, according to ministry officials, oil company officials and an American diplomat.

The deals, expected to be announced on June 30, will lay the foundation for the first commercial work for the major companies in Iraq since the American invasion, and open a new and potentially lucrative country for their operations.

The no-bid contracts are unusual for the industry, and the offers prevailed over others by more than 40 companies, including companies in Russia, China and India. The contracts, which would run for one to two years and are relatively small by industry standards, would nonetheless give the companies an advantage in bidding on future contracts in a country that many experts consider to be the best hope for a large-scale increase in oil production.

There was suspicion among many in the Arab world and among parts of the American public that the United States had gone to war in Iraq precisely to secure the oil wealth these contracts seek to extract. The Bush administration has said that the war was necessary to combat terrorism. It is not clear what role the United States played in awarding the contracts; there are still American advisers to Iraq's Oil Ministry.

Sensitive to the appearance that they were profiting from the war and already under pressure because of record high oil prices, senior officials of two of the companies, speaking only on the condition that they not be identified, said they were helping Iraq rebuild its decrepit oil industry.

For an industry being frozen out of new ventures in the world's dominant oil-producing countries, from Russia to Venezuela, Iraq offers a rare and prized opportunity.

While enriched by $140 per barrel oil, the oil majors are also struggling to replace their reserves as ever more of the world's oil patch becomes off limits. Governments in countries like Bolivia and Venezuela are nationalizing their oil industries or seeking a larger share of the record profits for their national budgets. Russia and Kazakhstan have forced the major companies to renegotiate contracts.

The Iraqi government's stated goal in inviting back the major companies is to increase oil production by half a million barrels per day by attracting modern technology and expertise to oil fields now desperately short of both. The revenue would be used for reconstruction, although the Iraqi government has had trouble spending the oil revenues it now has, in part because of bureaucratic inefficiency.

For the American government, increasing output in Iraq, as elsewhere, serves the foreign policy goal of increasing oil production globally to alleviate the exceptionally tight supply that is a cause of soaring prices.

The Iraqi Oil Ministry, through a spokesman, said the no-bid contracts were a stop-gap measure to bring modern skills into the fields while the oil law was pending in Parliament.

It said the companies had been chosen because they had been advising the ministry without charge for two years before being awarded the contracts, and because these companies had the needed technology.

A Shell spokeswoman hinted at the kind of work the companies might be engaged in. "We can confirm that we have submitted a conceptual proposal to the Iraqi authorities to minimize current and future gas flaring in the south through gas gathering and utilization," said the spokeswoman, Marnie Funk. "The contents of the proposal are confidential."

While small, the deals hold great promise for the companies.

"The bigger prize everybody is waiting for is development of the giant new fields," Leila Benali, an authority on Middle East oil at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, said in a telephone interview from the firm's Paris office. The current contracts, she said, are a "foothold" in Iraq for companies striving for these longer-term deals.
 
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Faster horses said:
If you can't dazzle them with brillance, baffle them with BS.

western oil companies run iraqi oil ministry now....do you doubt that? it is fact...
 

Tam

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shaumei said:
Faster horses said:
If you can't dazzle them with brillance, baffle them with BS.

western oil companies run iraqi oil ministry now....do you doubt that? it is fact...

To answer your question Yes I doubt it.
This is taken from a Iraqi investment site.
Ministry of Oil decides common development with neighboring countries prior to conventions
Detection and Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani, the oil ministry has decided to develop oil fields shared with neighboring countries, without a joint deals to determine each state's share of oil in these fields, stressing that the ministry had currently negotiating with Iran and Kuwait on the common oilfields.

Shahristani said in an interview with "Uzmatik", said Tuesday that "Iraq has oil fields jointly with the State of Kuwait and Iran have not been exploited so far from the Iraqi side", indicating at the same time that "the fields that are already stretched by the neighboring countries."

Shahristani and that "the decision is to not to waste more time waiting for the signing of the agreements," and said "We will proceed with joint development of our fields of oil, and we call for the addition to the holding of a joint agreement for the consolidation of these fields."

Involved in some of Iraq's oil fields with Iran Kalhakol in the Eastern province of Diyala, and the field of Badra in Wasit province, in Iraq and Kuwait are involved in the Rumaila oilfield.

He pointed out that al-Shahristani, "the ministry had currently negotiating with Iran and Kuwait on the common fields in which each State would retain the entitlement contiguous natural that after a whole field will be evaluated with the technical and economic study by a specialized oil, determine the proportion of each of the field and with the appropriate and its share. "

The Egyptian Minister of Oil "will be taking into consideration the amount produced in previous years of oil, so as not to be exceeded by the latest."

He pointed out that al-Shahristani, "both from Kuwait and Iran showed their willingness to hold such conventions, on the basis of that formation of joint committees to discuss," he said, expressing "the hope to sign these agreements during the current year 2009."

States that the oil ministry announced in June 2008 session of the first licenses to develop six oil fields and gas fields, while the 31 - 12-2008 starting the licensing competition for the second session of the eleven fields of oil and gas fields of Iraq's 78 fields, an effort to reach out to the production of four million barrels per day during the next four years. Iraq currently produces about two million and 500 thousand barrels per day of crude oil are exported about two million barrels daily.

If Western Oil Companies are CONTROLING the Iraq Oil Reserves what is the Iraqi Oil Ministry doing making agreements with IRAN?
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
shaumei said:
stop being a naive idiot. our corporations do not send our military anywhere unless there is money in it...here you go...

Deals with Iraq are set to bring oil giants back
By Andrew E. Kramer
Published: Thursday, June 19, 2008

BAGHDAD — Four Western oil companies are in the final stages of negotiations this month on contracts that will return them to Iraq, 36 years after losing their oil concession to nationalization as Saddam Hussein rose to power.

Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP — the original partners in the Iraq Petroleum Company — along with Chevron and a number of smaller oil companies, are in talks with Iraq's Oil Ministry for no-bid contracts to service Iraq's largest fields, according to ministry officials, oil company officials and an American diplomat.

The deals, expected to be announced on June 30, will lay the foundation for the first commercial work for the major companies in Iraq since the American invasion, and open a new and potentially lucrative country for their operations.

The no-bid contracts are unusual for the industry, and the offers prevailed over others by more than 40 companies, including companies in Russia, China and India. The contracts, which would run for one to two years and are relatively small by industry standards, would nonetheless give the companies an advantage in bidding on future contracts in a country that many experts consider to be the best hope for a large-scale increase in oil production.

There was suspicion among many in the Arab world and among parts of the American public that the United States had gone to war in Iraq precisely to secure the oil wealth these contracts seek to extract. The Bush administration has said that the war was necessary to combat terrorism. It is not clear what role the United States played in awarding the contracts; there are still American advisers to Iraq's Oil Ministry.

Sensitive to the appearance that they were profiting from the war and already under pressure because of record high oil prices, senior officials of two of the companies, speaking only on the condition that they not be identified, said they were helping Iraq rebuild its decrepit oil industry.

For an industry being frozen out of new ventures in the world's dominant oil-producing countries, from Russia to Venezuela, Iraq offers a rare and prized opportunity.

While enriched by $140 per barrel oil, the oil majors are also struggling to replace their reserves as ever more of the world's oil patch becomes off limits. Governments in countries like Bolivia and Venezuela are nationalizing their oil industries or seeking a larger share of the record profits for their national budgets. Russia and Kazakhstan have forced the major companies to renegotiate contracts.

The Iraqi government's stated goal in inviting back the major companies is to increase oil production by half a million barrels per day by attracting modern technology and expertise to oil fields now desperately short of both. The revenue would be used for reconstruction, although the Iraqi government has had trouble spending the oil revenues it now has, in part because of bureaucratic inefficiency.

For the American government, increasing output in Iraq, as elsewhere, serves the foreign policy goal of increasing oil production globally to alleviate the exceptionally tight supply that is a cause of soaring prices.

The Iraqi Oil Ministry, through a spokesman, said the no-bid contracts were a stop-gap measure to bring modern skills into the fields while the oil law was pending in Parliament.

It said the companies had been chosen because they had been advising the ministry without charge for two years before being awarded the contracts, and because these companies had the needed technology.

A Shell spokeswoman hinted at the kind of work the companies might be engaged in. "We can confirm that we have submitted a conceptual proposal to the Iraqi authorities to minimize current and future gas flaring in the south through gas gathering and utilization," said the spokeswoman, Marnie Funk. "The contents of the proposal are confidential."

While small, the deals hold great promise for the companies.

"The bigger prize everybody is waiting for is development of the giant new fields," Leila Benali, an authority on Middle East oil at Cambridge Energy Research Associates, said in a telephone interview from the firm's Paris office. The current contracts, she said, are a "foothold" in Iraq for companies striving for these longer-term deals.


This article is your evidence that the US "conquered" Iraq for the 4% of their oil usage?

the article talks about negotiations and these companies having the technology to develop the oil fields, which makes sense, seeing as some of them are the only ones in the World with certain state of the art technologies for drilling.

None of this explains how they are "stealing" the oil though. Some of these same companies had contracts in Iraq before 2003.

What did they gain, by telling the US government to invade?

Seems the people of Iraq will also gain financially from the Contracts, or "stealing" if you perfer.


Thu Nov 5, 2009 3:08am EST

BAGHDAD, Nov 5 (Reuters) – Iraq’s oil ministry said on Thursday that a group led by U.S. oil major Exxon Mobil (XOM.N) beat three rival consortiums to win the contract to develop the giant West Qurna oilfield, one of several fields left unclaimed after a June auction.

The 20-year contract is one of a raft of agreements that Iraq is close to clinching, which could catapult the nation emerging from decades of strife and economic decline to the position of the world’s third largest crude producer.

“The consortium led by Exxon Mobil, which includes Shell, won the contract to develop West Qurna Phase One oilfield,” Oil Ministry spokesman Asim Jihad said.

Jihad said the consortium will sign an initial deal at 1400 local time (1100 GMT) and that it still needed cabinet approval.

Exxon and Royal Dutch Shell (RDSa.L) competed against Russia’s LUKOIL (LKOH.MM), France’s Total (TOTF.PA) and a consortium led by China’s CNPC for Phase One of the West Qurna field, which has reserves of 8.7 billion barrels.


Iraq Says to Sign Shell, Mitsubishi Deal by January
By Kadhim Ajrash and Nayla Razzouk - Nov 25, 2010

Iraq wants foreign investors to help it increase production of oil and gas to stimulate a recovery after years of conflict and economic sanctions. Iraq has the world’s fifth- largest oil reserves, and its gas reserves rank fifth in size in the Middle East, according to data from BP Plc.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-25/iraq-says-to-sign-shell-mitsubishi-deal-by-january-update1-.html


I wonder why these companies didn't just go in a steal the oil, instead of waiting for some sort of government to be established, that has to approve these "thefts".

:lol: :lol: :roll:
 
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We murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. this is not for usa oil...this if for the corporations oil and profits...the facts are the facts..the western oil companies are back after 30 years since saddam kicked them out...the exact same oil companies he ran off...they got NO BID CONTRACTS none the less.

the war in iraq was completely about oil.

IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US ON 9/11.

IT WAS THE INVISIBLE OSAMA BIN LADEN FROM HIS HEADQUARTERS IN A CAVE IN AFGHANISTAN.
 

andybob

Well-known member
Well this is the fastest hi jack of any of my threads :lol:
As there s no oil in Zimbabwe, why did the governments of Harold Wilson, and Linden Johnson outlaw the then Rhodesian government and support the two "nationalist" organisations that arose against the people and government of Rhodesia?
 

Steve

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Jimmy Carter's ambassador to the United Nations, Andrew Young once remarked that "the only thing that frustrates me about Robert Mugabe is that he is so damned incorruptible."

To Carter, Young and their fellow liberals the Marxist ex-guerrilla represented the sort of leader that they believed would bring a new era of hope and change

haven't we heard that line some where???
 

Steve

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Buried in the soil of southeastern Zimbabwe is an unimaginable wealth in diamonds which could easily transform the poverty stricken nation into a thriving, modern and affluent society. When word of the miraculous discovery reached President Mugabe, the incorruptible leader wasted no time in sending troops to Marange to secure the diamond fields for the benefit of his regime.

According to Andrew Malone of the UK Daily Mail, Mugabe's soldiers acted in "characteristically brutal fashion, shooting hundreds of people, setting Alsatian dogs on others and raping women and children."

often when wealth reaches the poor, even when it is considered paltry by world standards, the leadership panics and suppresses the poor and squanders the wealth..

all the while blaming the rich (middle class) for not helping the poor more..

the curse of liberalism.
 

Tam

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shaumei said:
We murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. this is not for usa oil...this if for the corporations oil and profits...the facts are the facts..the western oil companies are back after 30 years since saddam kicked them out...the exact same oil companies he ran off...they got NO BID CONTRACTS none the less.

the war in iraq was completely about oil.

IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US ON 9/11.

IT WAS THE INVISIBLE OSAMA BIN LADEN FROM HIS HEADQUARTERS IN A CAVE IN AFGHANISTAN.

Again if the Western Oil Companies control the Iraqi Oil Ministry why is their Minister making deals with IRAN?
 

hypocritexposer

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Tam said:
shaumei said:
We murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. this is not for usa oil...this if for the corporations oil and profits...the facts are the facts..the western oil companies are back after 30 years since saddam kicked them out...the exact same oil companies he ran off...they got NO BID CONTRACTS none the less.

the war in iraq was completely about oil.

IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US ON 9/11.

IT WAS THE INVISIBLE OSAMA BIN LADEN FROM HIS HEADQUARTERS IN A CAVE IN AFGHANISTAN.

Again if the Western Oil Companies control the Iraqi Oil Ministry why is their Minister making deals with IRAN?


Shamoo, the facts are the facts, and the same oil companies that were exporting oil from Iraq in 2002 are the same ones that you say have not been in Iraq for 30 years.

And you have an advanced degree that you think makes you more intelligent than the rest of us? :roll:

give your head a shake man.

Debunk the numbers I posted.


Sorry for the highjack, AB

I'll start a new thread.
 
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