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fff

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"My government is my worst enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand."

This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that's the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. ("Keep up the good work," Palin told AIP members. "And God bless you.")

AIP chairwoman Lynette Clark told me recently that Sarah Palin is her kind of gal. "She's Alaskan to the bone ... she sounds just like Joe Vogler."

So who are these America-haters that the Palins are pallin' around with?

Before his strange murder in 1993, party founder Vogler preached armed insurrection against the United States of America. Vogler, who always carried a Magnum with him, was fond of saying, "When the [federal] bureaucrats come after me, I suggest they wear red coats. They make better targets. In the federal government are the biggest liars in the United States, and I hate them with a passion. They think they own [Alaska]. There comes a time when people will choose to die with honor rather than live with dishonor. That time may be coming here. Our goal is ultimate independence by peaceful means under a minimal government fully responsive to the people. I hope we don't have to take human life, but if they go on tramping on our property rights, look out, we're ready to die."

This quote is from "Coming Into the Country," by John McPhee, who traipsed around Alaska's remote gold mining country with Vogler for his 1991 book. The violent-tempered secessionist vowed to McPhee that if any federal official tried to stop him from polluting Alaska's rivers with his earth-moving equipment, he would "run over him with a Cat and turn mosquitoes loose on him while he dies."

Vogler wasn't just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 -- an impressive figure by Alaska standards -- and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.

Vogler's greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the entire world and to demand Alaska's freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That's right ... Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.

AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he could reach his U.N. platform. "The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed," by Vogler's U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark. "And we can't have that, can we?"

The Republican ticket is working hard this week to make Barack Obama's tenuous connection to graying, '60s revolutionary Bill Ayers a major campaign issue. But the Palins' connection to anti-American extremism is much more central to their political biographies.

Imagine the uproar if Michelle Obama was revealed to have joined a black nationalist party whose founder preached armed secession from the United States and who enlisted the government of Iran in his cause? The Obama campaign would probably not have survived such an explosive revelation. Particularly if Barack Obama himself was videotaped giving the anti-American secessionists his wholehearted support just months ago.

Where's the outrage, Sarah Palin has been asking this week, in her attacks on Obama's fuzzy ties to Ayers? The question is more appropriate when applied to her own disturbing associations.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/
 

fff

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Sandhusker said:
Explain to us why that bothers you but Obama's association with Ayers doesn't.

Why says either of them bother me? I just think it's only fair that people know Saint Sarah has ties to Iran at the same time she's beating up Obama for knowing an old domestic terrorist, now held in high esteem by the educational community in this country.
 

TexasBred

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fff said:
Sandhusker said:
Explain to us why that bothers you but Obama's association with Ayers doesn't.

Why says either of them bother me? I just think it's only fair that people know Saint Sarah has ties to Iran at the same time she's beating up Obama for knowing an old domestic terrorist, now held in high esteem by the educational community in this country.

fff..Oba doesn't just just "know a terrorist" but actually rubs elbows with one, had meetings with him and worked for the "known terrorist" who would still blow up the country today if he could figure out how to do it. He basically said as much after 9/11.
 

mrj

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fff, even you should be able to understand that there is a vast difference between a blustering private property rights extremist in a remote corner of the USA who believe our government has gone too far in taking away property rights from citizens.......and an ACTIVE terrorist who has not just talked against government, but has BOMBED buildings., says he wishes he had done more, ....and who is actively working to 're-educate' children to his beliefs of overthrow of our traditional democratic republic form of government in the USA!

In any case, Palins' connection to that group was not surprising as it was billed as a private property rights organization. There are an awful lot of ranchers and even some farmers who are active in property rights groups. There are some pretty intense people in most of those groups who say things that sound pretty far out to most of us.

Even the most intense do not frighten me as much as those using our education system to 'educate' children to embrace socialism and worse!

mrj
 
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Anonymous

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mrj said:
In any case, Palins' connection to that group was not surprising as it was billed as a private property rights organization. There are an awful lot of ranchers and even some farmers who are active in property rights groups. There are some pretty intense people in most of those groups who say things that sound pretty far out to most of us.

mrj

And she wasn't smart enough to figure out what they really were :???: She can see Russia- so is a foreign policy expert- but can't figure out what a radical right wing group is :???:
 

hopalong

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Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Mike said:
Is this statement a little bit of a stretch?? :lol: :lol:



No more than her being a foreign policy expert nor an energy expert, according to her.

You've got a link of her claiming to be a foreign policy expert?

Or a energy expert, or are you just spouting again, trying to keep up with oldtimer and fff?
Post the links oh mighty kook of the all knowing!!!!
 

kolanuraven

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Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Mike said:
Is this statement a little bit of a stretch?? :lol: :lol:



No more than her being a foreign policy expert nor an energy expert, according to her.

You've got a link of her claiming to be a foreign policy expert?


Why she said it herself in her interviews cause Alaska is close to Russia thus she's dealing with foreign goverments and the policy making.


Besides, I'm too lazy today to bother looking up the interviews. Why don't you Google it for me and do us both some good. :wink:
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
No more than her being a foreign policy expert nor an energy expert, according to her.

You've got a link of her claiming to be a foreign policy expert?


Why she said it herself in her interviews cause Alaska is close to Russia thus she's dealing with foreign goverments and the policy making.


Besides, I'm too lazy today to bother looking up the interviews. Why don't you Google it for me and do us both some good. :wink:

Actually Alaska is our first line of defense against Russia, Korea and other potential attacks from that area.

And using the Google search engine doesn't make a penny for you or anyone else.....advertising only pays :wink: :wink: :wink:
 

backhoeboogie

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TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
You've got a link of her claiming to be a foreign policy expert?


Why she said it herself in her interviews cause Alaska is close to Russia thus she's dealing with foreign goverments and the policy making.


Besides, I'm too lazy today to bother looking up the interviews. Why don't you Google it for me and do us both some good. :wink:

Actually Alaska is our first line of defense against Russia, Korea and other potential attacks from that area.

The international date line has to bend between Alaska and Russia. Kola you don't need to google. Just take my word for it.
 

Sandhusker

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kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
No more than her being a foreign policy expert nor an energy expert, according to her.

You've got a link of her claiming to be a foreign policy expert?


Why she said it herself in her interviews cause Alaska is close to Russia thus she's dealing with foreign goverments and the policy making.


Besides, I'm too lazy today to bother looking up the interviews. Why don't you Google it for me and do us both some good. :wink:

How about you just be honest with her claims? She never claimed to be an foreign policy expert and you know that.
 

alice

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Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Sandhusker said:
You've got a link of her claiming to be a foreign policy expert?


Why she said it herself in her interviews cause Alaska is close to Russia thus she's dealing with foreign goverments and the policy making.


Besides, I'm too lazy today to bother looking up the interviews. Why don't you Google it for me and do us both some good. :wink:

How about you just be honest with her claims? She never claimed to be an foreign policy expert and you know that.

Yes she did...wait, she implied it...she's one scary b*tch...

Alice
 

Yanuck

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alice said:
Sandhusker said:
kolanuraven said:
Why she said it herself in her interviews cause Alaska is close to Russia thus she's dealing with foreign goverments and the policy making.


Besides, I'm too lazy today to bother looking up the interviews. Why don't you Google it for me and do us both some good. :wink:

How about you just be honest with her claims? She never claimed to be an foreign policy expert and you know that.

Yes she did...wait, she implied it...she's one scary b*tch...

Alice
alice said:
TexasBred said:
At least McCain knows what to do with a gun if someone hands him one. Obama would probably hit a liquor store.

:???:

TexasBred, I'm surprised at you. I had truly hoped better of you...

Alice

Now maybe i'm splitting hairs here, but Alice, why is it okay for you to make that comment about Sarah Palin, but you give Texas Bred grief for his comment? You defend fff, because she thinks the same as you, but call Sarah Palin a scary bitch? I guess my impression of you was waaaaaaaay off base as I had truly hoped better of you :( :( :( :(
 

alice

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Yanuck said:
alice said:
Sandhusker said:
How about you just be honest with her claims? She never claimed to be an foreign policy expert and you know that.

Yes she did...wait, she implied it...she's one scary b*tch...

Alice
alice said:
TexasBred said:
At least McCain knows what to do with a gun if someone hands him one. Obama would probably hit a liquor store.

:???:

TexasBred, I'm surprised at you. I had truly hoped better of you...

Alice

Now maybe i'm splitting hairs here, but Alice, why is it okay for you to make that comment about Sarah Palin, but you give Texas Bred grief for his comment? You defend fff, because she thinks the same as you, but call Sarah Palin a scary bitch? I guess my impression of you was waaaaaaaay off base as I had truly hoped better of you :( :( :( :(

Point taken...sorry...

Alice
 

Vision

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The Palin's were never a member of that party. This story has been debunked over and over again. Notice no retraction from Salon.com.

When a responsible journalism outfit gets the facts materially wrong they apologize and print a retraction.
 
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