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My Point On "Overkill"

Mike

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“I can’t think of any comparison in contemporary American society where we have seen anything like this,” said Tom Nolan, a retired 27-year veteran of the Boston Police Department, former homeland security senior policy adviser and Boston University criminal justice professor.

Nolan said he worries the operation could blur the line between police and military functions.

“The question is: Is this now going to be the new norm?”
 

Whitewing

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Mike said:
“I can’t think of any comparison in contemporary American society where we have seen anything like this,” said Tom Nolan, a retired 27-year veteran of the Boston Police Department, former homeland security senior policy adviser and Boston University criminal justice professor.

Nolan said he worries the operation could blur the line between police and military functions.

“The question is: Is this now going to be the new norm?”

Just imagine if the two bombers had been 60 year old, pot-bellied white guys wearing bermuda shorts, God Bless America baseball caps and Bama t-shirts. Aside from OT having his first orgasm in 15 years, half the country would be under predator drone threat by next week.
 

Steve

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Nolan said he worries the operation could blur the line between police and military functions.

“The question is: Is this now going to be the new norm?”

the line was long ago blurred.. Kent state should have been a lesson..

today it isn't so much the state guard who is armed.. most are in unarmed traffic and perimeter control roles..

swat teams and body armor are not rare .. but the norm..

freedom of law abiding individuals have been severely curtailed..



yet criminals still do carnage



(I would have still taken those two jihadies out with a tank if need be.. )
 

Steve

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Just imagine if the two bombers had been 60 year old, pot-bellied white guys wearing bermuda shorts, God Bless America baseball caps and Bama t-shirts.

I could just see that target list..

Disco..

those dang punks..

the crack house on the corner..

that guy who waters his lawn when it is not his day..

those dang punks.. (did I say disco? )
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
Nolan said he worries the operation could blur the line between police and military functions.

“The question is: Is this now going to be the new norm?”

the line was long ago blurred.. Kent state should have been a lesson..

today it isn't so much the state guard who is armed.. most are in unarmed traffic and perimeter control roles..

swat teams and body armor are not rare .. but the norm..

freedom of law abiding individuals have been severely curtailed..



yet criminals still do carnage



(I would have still taken those two jihadies out with a tank if need be.. )


Would that be any different than taking them out with a missile from a drone :???:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Nolan said he worries the operation could blur the line between police and military functions.

“The question is: Is this now going to be the new norm?”

the line was long ago blurred.. Kent state should have been a lesson..

today it isn't so much the state guard who is armed.. most are in unarmed traffic and perimeter control roles..

swat teams and body armor are not rare .. but the norm..

freedom of law abiding individuals have been severely curtailed..



yet criminals still do carnage



(I would have still taken those two jihadies out with a tank if need be.. )


Would that be any different than taking them out with a missile from a drone :???:

I'm pretty sure you have to be there to take them out with a tank and if they are not the ones in the line of fire you can abort the mission. Can you abort the drone's mission if the intented target is not on site?
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
the line was long ago blurred.. Kent state should have been a lesson..

today it isn't so much the state guard who is armed.. most are in unarmed traffic and perimeter control roles..

swat teams and body armor are not rare .. but the norm..

freedom of law abiding individuals have been severely curtailed..



yet criminals still do carnage



(I would have still taken those two jihadies out with a tank if need be.. )


Would that be any different than taking them out with a missile from a drone :???:

I'm pretty sure you have to be there to take them out with a tank and if they are not the ones in the line of fire you can abort the mission. Can you abort the drone's mission if the intented target is not on site?

:???: Yep- up until you push the fire button on the missile-- the same as up to the point you push the fire button on the missile on an armored missile carrier or a cannon on the tank....
From what I've seen the drone circling a few hundred feet overhead can get a better idea of the intended target - than a tank shooting from a range of miles away...
 

hopalong

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seen lots of drones have you oldtimer???
seen lots of tanks fire have you ??
ever been in a fire fight?????
ever fire your rubber band pistol???
eh BARNEY>>>
:D :D :D :D
 

Larrry

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He has take drone classes down at the local pub and never forget his education from borowitz. Man that ot has some education alright
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
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Would that be any different than taking them out with a missile from a drone :???:

I'm pretty sure you have to be there to take them out with a tank and if they are not the ones in the line of fire you can abort the mission. Can you abort the drone's mission if the intented target is not on site?

:???: Yep- up until you push the fire button on the missile-- the same as up to the point you push the fire button on the missile on an armored missile carrier or a cannon on the tank....
From what I've seen the drone circling a few hundred feet overhead can get a better idea of the intended target - than a tank shooting from a range of miles away...

Funny how you claim a drone can send back a clear picture of the intended target but the Obama Administration was outed as having watched the Benghazi attack via a overhead drone and they DID NOTHING to protect those that died there. Is that OK with you Oldtimer? Not only did they not do anything with the clear knowledge of what was going on, THEY LIED FOR WEEKS ABOUT IT.
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
I'm pretty sure you have to be there to take them out with a tank and if they are not the ones in the line of fire you can abort the mission. Can you abort the drone's mission if the intented target is not on site?

:???: Yep- up until you push the fire button on the missile-- the same as up to the point you push the fire button on the missile on an armored missile carrier or a cannon on the tank....
From what I've seen the drone circling a few hundred feet overhead can get a better idea of the intended target - than a tank shooting from a range of miles away...

Funny how you claim a drone can send back a clear picture of the intended target but the Obama Administration was outed as having watched the Benghazi attack via a overhead drone and they DID NOTHING to protect those that died there. Is that OK with you Oldtimer? Not only did they not do anything with the clear knowledge of what was going on, THEY LIED FOR WEEKS ABOUT IT.

Tam- from what I have read- Its unsure if the scene was watched by a drone- and both drones available to the embassy were unarmed was not going to stop what was going down-- and the forces needed were not available to have made a timely response...
And yes this is Hillary's and ultimately Obamas fault for putting folks in harms way- but I don't buy into the conspiracy theories.....I do believe that we should not be sending in diplomatic/government people if the country we are sending them into cannot guarantee their safety......

So do you agree with Steve and think taking a US citizen terrorist out with a tank is OK- but not OK if you use a drone to take out a US citizen terrorist.... :???:

Should we also have two sets of constitutional rights on how US citizen under arrest are handled by the courts just depending on the crime they committed? Is a US citizen mass death shooter a terrorist? Should they be handled differently than a US citizen mass injury bomber?
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Nolan said he worries the operation could blur the line between police and military functions.

“The question is: Is this now going to be the new norm?”

the line was long ago blurred.. Kent state should have been a lesson..

today it isn't so much the state guard who is armed.. most are in unarmed traffic and perimeter control roles..

swat teams and body armor are not rare .. but the norm..

freedom of law abiding individuals have been severely curtailed..



yet criminals still do carnage



(I would have still taken those two jihadies out with a tank if need be.. )


Would that be any different than taking them out with a missile from a drone :???:

what part of my comment didn't you understand.. the part that didn't fit your preconceived notion of how a conservative thinks?

I wouldn't have used a missile.. why waste a costly missile..
maybe a grenade launcher.. but not a missile..

OT,.. you would have to look long and hard to find any place where I condemned the use of missiles or drones on terrorists..
 

Steve

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So do you agree with Steve and think taking a US citizen terrorist out with a tank is OK- but not OK if you use a drone to take out a US citizen terrorist.... Say what?

first.. it was a gun battle.. the two twerps shot at officers first..

returning fire is reasonable.. I just prefer my shots to be more effective...


as for other terrorists.. drones and missiles.. take em all out.. even if they are a US citizen..

if the military can prove to a jag officer it is a legal target.. that is good enough for me...
 

Tam

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US Retired Lt. Col.: My Sources Say Obama Was in the Room Watching Benghazi Attack Happen

Oct. 28, 2012 8:11am Madeleine Morgenstern 4.1K
Retired Army Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said Saturday he has sources saying President Barack Obama was in the room at the White House watching the assault on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya unfold.

Two unarmed U.S. drones were dispatched to the consulate and recorded the final hours of the attack, which killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

“This was in the middle of the business day in Washington, so everybody at the White House, CIA, Pentagon, everybody was watching this go down,” Shaffer said on Fox News’ “Justice with Judge Jeanine.” “According to my sources, yes, [Obama] was one of those in the White House Situation Room in real-time watching this.”

Shaffer served as a senior operations officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency in Afghanistan in 2003 and wrote a book critical of the policies there. The U.S. government purchased the entire print run for $47,000 in an attempt at censorship just before its 2010 publication, claiming it contained classified material.

Shaffer said the question now is what precisely Obama did or didn’t do in the moments he saw the attack unfolding. The CIA reportedly made three urgent requests for military backup that were each denied.

“He, only he, could issue a directive to Secretary of Defense Panetta to do something. That’s the only place it could be done,” Shaffer said.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said last week the military did not intervene because they did not have enough information about what was happening on the ground.

Col. David Hunt, a Fox News military analyst, said the military could have had jets in the air within 20 minutes and forces on the ground within two hours.

“The issue is always political with the White House, but the secretary of defense gives the order, has to be approved by the White House, they wouldn’t pull the trigger, and it’s disgraceful,” Hunt said. “We’ve got guys dead.”
Not only did the Obama Administration not provide requested security to the Ambassador, Obama didn't give the orders to Panetta to send in the troops. And why in the h*ll was there an UNARMED drone flying over a terrorist ridden country where there were denied requests for extra security due to terrorist activity in the area. STUPID JUST PLAIN STUPID.

That said, I believe justice is done when those that kill others, and there is no doubt to their guilt, are put to death and not warehoused at Gitmo or any other prison on the tax payers dime. As far as the tanks if the idiot is shooting and lobbing bombs at LEOs the take them out by any means possible. far better one tank than 9000 LEOs all carrying guns. :roll:

As for Obama's KILL LIST, I believe some of the high valued targets that are on that list should be taken into custody so they can be questioned in whatever manner it takes to get info out of them to protect innocent lives. Once they talk then carry out justice and stop warehousing them risking them breaking out and re-entering the battlefield. As far as those carrying out those high valued targets plans ie the fighters, move in the tanks and clean house as if hey believe they are worth no more than being a vessel to carry a bomb then they deserve to die before they strap that bomb on and claim their 72 virgins.

BTW it is comical that you are worried about the Constitution when you defend Obama and his Constitution killing agenda on a daily basis. :roll:
 
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