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George

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Question: "What does the Bible say about gay marriage / same sex marriage?"

Answer: While the Bible does address homosexuality, it does not explicitly mention gay marriage/same-sex marriage. It is clear, however, that the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin. Leviticus 18:22 identifies homosexual sex as an abomination, a detestable sin. Romans 1:26-27 declares homosexual desires and actions to be shameful, unnatural, lustful, and indecent. First Corinthians 6:9 states that homosexuals are unrighteous and will not inherit the kingdom of God. Since both homosexual desires and actions are condemned in the Bible, it is clear that homosexuals “marrying” is not God’s will, and would be, in fact, sinful.

Whenever the Bible mentions marriage, it is between a male and a female. The first mention of marriage, Genesis 2:24, describes it as a man leaving his parents and being united to his wife. In passages that contain instructions regarding marriage, such as 1 Corinthians 7:2-16 and Ephesians 5:23-33, the Bible clearly identifies marriage as being between a man and a woman. Biblically speaking, marriage is the lifetime union of a man and a woman, primarily for the purpose of building a family and providing a stable environment for that family.

The Bible alone, however, does not have to be used to demonstrate this understanding of marriage. The biblical viewpoint of marriage has been the universal understanding of marriage in every human civilization in world history. History argues against gay marriage. Modern secular psychology recognizes that men and women are psychologically and emotionally designed to complement one another. In regard to the family, psychologists contend that a union between a man and woman in which both spouses serve as good gender role models is the best environment in which to raise well-adjusted children. Psychology argues against gay marriage. In nature/physicality, clearly, men and women were designed to “fit” together sexually. With the “natural” purpose of sexual intercourse being procreation, clearly only a sexual relationship between a man and a woman can fulfill this purpose. Nature argues against gay marriage.

So, if the Bible, history, psychology, and nature all argue for marriage being between a man and a woman—why is there such a controversy today? Why are those who are opposed to gay marriage/same-sex marriage labeled as hateful, intolerant bigots, no matter how respectfully the opposition is presented? Why is the gay rights movement so aggressively pushing for gay marriage/same-sex marriage when most people, religious and non-religious, are supportive of—or at least far less opposed to—gay couples having all the same legal rights as married couples with some form of civil union?

The answer, according to the Bible, is that everyone inherently knows that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and the only way to suppress this inherent knowledge is by normalizing homosexuality and attacking any and all opposition to it. The best way to normalize homosexuality is by placing gay marriage/same-sex marriage on an equal plane with traditional opposite-gender marriage. Romans 1:18-32 illustrates this. The truth is known because God has made it plain. The truth is rejected and replaced with a lie. The lie is then promoted and the truth suppressed and attacked. The vehemence and anger expressed by many in the gay rights movement to any who oppose them is, in fact, an indication that they know their position is indefensible. Trying to overcome a weak position by raising your voice is the oldest trick in the debating book. There is perhaps no more accurate description of the modern gay rights agenda than Romans 1:31, “they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.”

To give sanction to gay marriage/same-sex marriage would be to give approval to the homosexual lifestyle, which the Bible clearly and consistently condemns as sinful. Christians should stand firmly against the idea of gay marriage/same-sex marriage. Further, there are strong and logical arguments against gay marriage/same-sex marriage from contexts completely separated from the Bible. One does not have to be an evangelical Christian to recognize that marriage is between a man and a woman.

According to the Bible, marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Gay marriage/same-sex marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. As Christians, we are not to condone or ignore sin. Rather, we are to share the love of God and the forgiveness of sins that is available to all, including homosexuals, through Jesus Christ. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15) and contend for truth with “gentleness and respect” (1 Peter 3:15). As Christians, when we make a stand for truth and the result is personal attacks, insults, and persecution, we should remember the words of Jesus: “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you” (John 15:18-19).
 

Steve

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George said:
As Christians, when we make a stand for truth and the result is personal attacks, insults, and persecution, we should remember the words of Jesus: “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you” (John 15:18-19).

it took me a while to understand that passage,.. but thanks to obama and the liberals it is crystal clear...
 

George

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Due to the post I put up on Facebook about the biblical view on gay marriage 2 people have "unfriended me" and sent me emails telling me what a terrible person I am. To which I reply with a quote from Jesus “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you” (John 15:18-19).
I have people I deal with on a regular basis that are gay and I treat them with more respect than I get in return but I do not have to condone their lifestyle - - - that is between them and the Lord!
 

mrj

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Thanks for doing and sharing that research. I know how I believe, but sometimes seeing the basis is good, reassuring myself that my basis for those beliefs is faith based teaching, not personal bias.

On a different angle to this situation, does anyone have information on the percent of our population who is homosexual, and the crime rates for them re. sexual crimes, particularly against children? I believe we need that information in order to better protect the helpless. No vigilantism, just being aware of and vigilant against possible problems makes sense.

Would it make sense to allow those who wish to marry, but not allow them to force any minister to perform the ceremony? It seems that would leave the burden of the right, wrong, or breaking Gods' Law on the individuals choosing to marry in those circumstances, rather than forcing others to break their own faith standards by performing marriages or even by being forced to make wedding cakes or any other participation in such ceremonies. Same for any other act some see as a 'crime', when there is no real victim, with both parties willing, and adult, participants.

mrj
 

Martin Jr.

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Most studies put the percentage of homosexuals as between 2.5 and 4 percent. While only a small percentage of these are the militant ones who push for more "rights".

Other studies show that about one third of sexual assaults on children are by homosexuals.
 

littlejoe

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Martin Jr. said:
Most studies put the percentage of homosexuals as between 2.5 and 4 percent. While only a small percentage of these are the militant ones who push for more "rights".

Other studies show that about one third of sexual assaults on children are by homosexuals.

With the other 2/3 being done by catholic priests, assorted ministers and youth leaders, wrestling/athletic coaches, family friends and assorted relatives---aka "the usual suspects"
 

hopalong

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you left out the suspects from MT that have big mouths and little brains hiding behind the screen of their computer... Still waiting for your visit lil one
 

mrj

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Thanks for the patience in answering my questions. One more. It seems there is research into every aspect of life, so.....is there any to tell us how people become homosexual? It apparently wasn't the 'design', so how does it happen?

The point in the questions: understanding things usually leads to better communities, more productive people, and fewer problems, imo.

mrj
 

Faster horses

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mrj, we participated in a Bible study this last winter based on Chip Ingram Bible study. He is a minister in the San Francisco Bay area, so he's seen everything. One of the chapters of the study was on homosexuals. The study found that gays are not born that way, but something in their life, usually at a time when family support is needed, causes them to search for what is missing (for lack of a better way to say it, and for lack of time/space to fully discuss it here). We have one dear, dear friend who is gay and I know his history and I know that happened to him from the time he was 10 to 18. He says "no one would choose to be like this" as it has caused him great pain....but he is wrong....it is a choice....a failure of family, fathers, mothers. Sad to say, I think being gay has now become a fad of some sort. I don't mean with our friend, or with every gay person, and I could be wrong, this is just my thoughts at present, because it seems there are so many. We continue to pray for him as that is all we can do, plus I have started talking about God in conversations we have. I worry about his salvation. Such a wonderful person in every way, and I want him to go to heaven.
 

loomixguy

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I truly believe in many cases it is a choice...more so in the Philippines. A lot of the Homer's best friends are female...it's not too far of a stretch for them to get in the girl's panties.
 

Martin Jr.

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http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF08L41.pdf

This site gives a lot or arguments for the various theories causing homosexuality and the arguments why these researches were not right. In reading the whole thing, it becomes more apparent that homosexuality is caused by oddities in family life or other incidents in their early life or poor choices they made in life. Habits made early in life are hard to break.
 

kolanuraven

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Why do you care? Really? It's not my business nor is it yours.

The sun still comes up, the same dog barks at you as you go down the road, you stop at the same place to get breakfast, it doesn't effect my day nor yours one bit.

People are born to be how they are, accept it and move on and tend to your own life and issues instead of trying to get your nose under your neighbors tent.


It seems stupid has become a ' fad' also...hell, I believe it's downright contagious.
 

hopalong

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Would be good advice for you to follow kolo.jingo, lulu allie... you are always trying to give every one advice on how to live their lives, when you don't have one to live of your own... you are totally WRONG in saying it doesn't affect anyone, it does can be harmful, or can be peaceful but it does affect us in some way or another, for you to turn your back on that shows your disdain for the rest of mankind is immoral!!!!
 

TexasBred

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Queers have been around for thousands of years. During this time they and their partners have not been able to conceive one single child. That tell's me it is not normal in any way and certainly not of God.
 

kolanuraven

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hopalong said:
Would be good advice for you to follow kolo.jingo, lulu allie... you are always trying to give every one advice on how to live their lives, when you don't have one to live of your own... you are totally WRONG in saying it doesn't affect anyone, it does can be harmful, or can be peaceful but it does affect us in some way or another, for you to turn your back on that shows your disdain for the rest of mankind is immoral!!!!




Hasn't hurt you in all the years....well...maybe the first time did!!!
 

mrj

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k., I 'care' because the more we can understand about a given situation, the fewer problems will be caused.

Already, the militants in the homosexual lifestyle have demanded, and received, changes in laws re. marriage which will affect some pastors and other people that I care about, and or has affected some business people and others who, based on their faith, do not believe they should participate in or facilitate in any way such marriages.

If we can know whether or not there are causes, beyond control of the person involved, won't it make less likely for them to be mistreated by people who hate or fear (or are those words synonymous?) homosexuals?

What of the woman teacher recently in the news because she is claimed to have seduced a young teen age female student? That, of course, is not the first such criminal act attributed, or verified to have been committed upon anyone (children or adults) by homosexuals. And I'm equally upset by crimes committed by heterosexuals, for the record.

So, outside of crime and nuisance lawsuits aimed at dominating society or groups within society, and wanting all people to be happy, productive, law abiding citizens, I guess I have no interest that should trouble you or anyone else. Treating others right, and wishing the same for others is my goal.

mrj
 
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