My take

[Traveler]

1. Prevent people carrying weapons (of any kind) from getting past the front door of a school. Technology already available and in use.
2. Restrict access to a school - one way in, several ways out. Readily doable. Already being done at airports. Air marshals not a deterrent.
3. Age restrictions on purchase of weapons (black weapons). How many teenagers do you know that have the brains to use their pecker for anything other than sex, let alone own a black weapon. No downside.
4.Background checks for purchase of black weapons (any weapon). I thought this was already in place. Why is it not? Very difficult to do effectively

Please add to the list. Lets make this a discussion instead of getting into the p****d off mode. I would like to see a well thought out response from you and anyone else. Please remember I am a second amendment believer but I am also a believer that killing kids in a school has to be stopped.

Schools are already gun free zones. Mass shooters favorite place to do their thing. The cluster.... at airports probably isn't something that can be logically implemented in schools at this time.

All the teenagers, our son and others, in our house had firearms. They had a sense of pride about it, mostly being able to buy one because they worked hard, or were cherished gifts. We bought our son his first "assault rifle" for coyote hunting, target practice, etc.... when he was quite young. Young people join the military at 18, and used to be younger. Do they not have control of their brains or peckers yet? The quality of teenagers and adults has a lot to do with the time and effort that was invested in them during their formative years.

As far as this last school shooting, the whole system, federally all the way down to locally, failed miserably. It's all been posted in the Political Bull page. New laws wouldn't have done anything but give the liberals a tingle down their legs. Present laws need to be enforced, and outrageously dumb liberal policies need to be done away with.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78488&p=702042#p702042

I agree with George, and his support of Air Marshals as well.

Just a side note, I have to wonder what firearm kills the most feral hogs. A semi-auto rifle would be my guess.

 

[lavacarancher]

1. Prevent people carrying weapons (of any kind) from getting past the front door of a school. Technology already available and in use.
2. Restrict access to a school - one way in, several ways out. Readily doable. Already being done at airports. Air marshals not a deterrent.
3. Age restrictions on purchase of weapons (black weapons). How many teenagers do you know that have the brains to use their pecker for anything other than sex, let alone own a black weapon. No downside.
4.Background checks for purchase of black weapons (any weapon). I thought this was already in place. Why is it not? Very difficult to do effectively

Please add to the list. Lets make this a discussion instead of getting into the p****d off mode. I would like to see a well thought out response from you and anyone else. Please remember I am a second amendment believer but I am also a believer that killing kids in a school has to be stopped.

Schools are already gun free zonesReally? Doesn't seem to be doing much good to TELL someone not to bring a gun to school.. Mass shooters favorite place to do their thing. The cluster.... at airports probably isn't something that can be logically implemented in schools at this time. WHY NOT!!!! Put in 20 metal detectors so the students and other folks that have a business at the school can pass thru quickly. My God they do it at sports arenas.

All the teenagers, our son and others, in our house had firearms. So did mine and my grandsons.Most places they can't drink yet. Must be a reason for that.They had a sense of pride about it, mostly being able to buy one because they worked hard, or were cherished gifts. We bought our son his first "assault rifle" for coyote hunting, target practice, etc.... when he was quite young. Young people join the military at 18, and used to be younger. Do they not have control of their brains or peckers yet? The quality of teenagers and adults has a lot to do with the time and effort that was invested in them during their formative years. YES, I agree. Cruz's parents were dead and he probably didn't have a chance in hell of growing up normal. That still doesn't dimeish the fact he shot and killed 17 young folks who will never have the chance to show what they can do.

As far as this last school shooting, the whole system, federally all the way down to locally, failed miserably. It's all been posted in the Political Bull page. New laws wouldn't have done anything but give the liberals a tingle down their legs. Present laws need to be enforced, and outrageously dumb liberal policies need to be done away with. Again, I agree. In fact just about every shooting that has occurred the system failed. The NRA has the politicians by the balls (or they don't have any) and pass laws that are so full of loopholes they are ineffective.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78488&p=702042#p702042

I agree with George, and his support of Air Marshals as well. Can you give me one verifiable example of where an air marshall prevented an incident on a plane. I'm not talking about dragging a passenger off a plane by his heels because he refused to give up his seat to an airline employee.

Just a side note, I have to wonder what firearm kills the most feral hogs. A semi-auto rifle would be my guess.

Sir, I have two semi-auto rifles. I have zero full auto rifles. I kill feral hogs with a 12 ga shotgun loaded with buckshot. But my place is heavily wooded and I can usually get on them before they know what hit them. I also trap them. Both methods have been very effective. Haven't seen a hog on my place for about two years.

So far the discussion has focused on leaving things as they are. No one (no one) has offered any solutions. Why not? I asked you to add to my list. Come on, you can't complain about something and offer no solution. That makes you part of the problem, not the solution. Something has to give, folks. We can't all have it our way when we have nut cases going around shooting our kids.

 

[Traveler]

2. Restrict access to a school - one way in, several ways out. Readily doable. Already being done at airports.

WHY NOT!!!! Put in 20 metal detectors so the students and other folks that have a business at the school can pass thru quickly. My God they do it at sports arenas.

I'm confused now. You're arguing with yourself.

YES, I agree. Cruz's parents were dead and he probably didn't have a chance in hell of growing up normal. That still doesn't dimeish the fact he shot and killed 17 young folks who will never have the chance to show what they can do.

His mother only died recently. Here's his history. He had no legal right or business buying any weapon. Stopping good kids from owning/ buying a firearm is just another liberal wetdream.


Five school years. Seven schools. Here is a look at how Nikolas Cruz moved through the Broward County Public Schools.

Jan. 23, 2002 – Nikolas Cruz, at three years old, is diagnosed as developmentally delayed.

Feb. 5, 2014 -- At age 15, Nikolas leaves Westglades Middle School in Parkland.

Feb. 6, 2014 – Nikolas starts at Cross Creek, a school in Pompano Beach for students with emotional and behavioral disorders.

June 1, 2015 — A school report says Nikolas is at times distracted by inappropriate conversations by classmates if the discussion is about guns, people being killed, or the armed forces.

Aug. 24, 2015 — Nikolas returns to Cross Creek, but attends Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School two periods a day, Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie said.

Jan. 11, 2016 – Nikolas, now 17, stops attending Cross Creek school.

Jan. 13, 2016 -- He starts attending Stoneman Douglas High full time, Runcie said.

Feb, 5, 2016 — The Broward Sheriff's Office receives a report from a neighbor that Cruz posted on Instagram that he plans to shoot up the school. Police determined he has knives and a BB gun and passed the information along to the school resource officer, who is a sheriff's deputy on campus.

August 22, 2016 — After the summer break, Nikolas returns to Stoneman Douglas High.

Sept. 20, 2016 — Nikolas is suspended for fighting.

Sept. 24, 2016 – Nikolas turns 18.

Sept. 28, 2016 – Florida child welfare workers investigate after Nikolas cuts himself while on Snapchat.

Nov. 12, 2016 – Child welfare investigation is closed.

November 2016 — Educational specialists recommend Nikolas transfer back to Cross Creek but he doesn't want to. Now 18 and legally an adult, Nikolas also refuses to receive further mental health and other services.

Jan. 12, 2017 – Lynda Cruz, Nikolas' mother, sells the longtime family home at 6166 NW 80th Terrace in Parkland.

Jan 19, 2017 — Nikolas receives an internal one-day suspension for an assault. The school asks the district to conduct a threat assessment on him.

Feb. 8, 2017 – Nikolas is banished from Stoneman Douglas, according to a discipline file.

Feb. 11, 2017 —He buys the AR-15 rifle that he will use one year later in the Stoneman Douglas massacre.

For the next calendar year, Nikolas bounces between various alternative schools for at-risk youth: The Off Campus Learning Centers, the Henry D. Perry Education Center, and the Dave Thomas Education Center. Runcie said his attendance was poor.

Nov. 1, 2017 – Cruz's mother dies of pneumonia at age 68.

Nov. 30, 2017 — The Broward Sheriff's Office receives a warning that Nikolas is collecting guns and knives and could be a "school shooter in the making." The caller notes that Nikolas has moved to Palm Beach County and the deputy refers the caller to the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. That agency said it has no record of any such incident or threat.

Feb. 14, 2018 – Armed with the AR-15 rifle, Cruz, age 19, goes on a shooting rampage at Stoneman Douglas High, killing 17. He flees the building undetected and is later caught wandering around a residential neighborhood.

--Sources: Broward County Public Schools, the Broward Sheriff's Office, the Florida Department of Children & Families

In case you haven't been keeping up, the Feds didn't do their part at all, and the calls made to the FBI tip line weren't even followed up on, for starters. The threats through social media weren't either. The local law enforcement failed miserably time and again. He should have been put away after 30 some incidents, but no reports were in the system for a background check. You want solutions? Protocol needs to be followed at the FBI, and the state's policy of not charging juveniles must be stopped. Either one of those would have likely stopped what happened. An armed teacher or retired veteran in the school who would have actually done something about the situation would have been one hell of a deterrent as well.

You want me to name an incident that Air Marshals have prevented? How about one they would have prevented? It was called 9-11.

 

[Ltdumbear]

It's all well & good to have a discussion/debate about what new security-measures or legal-actions/Laws should come out of this most recent tragedy in Florida...but as sure as the Sun will rise tomorrow (for those of us lucky enough to be still alive & breathing) I guarantee that there are SCORES of similarly 'mentally/spiritually-disturbed' out there who...for lack of a better term...are giving serious thought to following in Cruz's footsteps. Why ? because the main-stream media made him 'famous'.

A sad way to become famous, to be sure...but when you're 'disturbed', you don't know the difference, and there's little chance of being convinced otherwise.

That said, we'll let the courts decide what needs to be done to avoid the next massacre, as best they can...

For MY part, over the past few decades (since I physically removed myself from the rest of the 'fast-paced/on-the-go/busy-lifestyle' urban/suburban-world) I have watched with a mixture of horror & shocked-fascination at how the human 'race' is literally de-volvingfrom whatever it was, to what it is now...and I'll grant you that while throughout recorded human-history, there's always been bad-seeds out there...it is becoming painfully obvious to me that things ARE getting worse...

...and over the past decade or so...it is the 'millennials' who are among the latest (and worst) evil-doers, identified in these horrible acts unleashed all around us, and with INCREASING FEROCITY, I might add.

PARENTING. That's what it comes down to, cuz it certainly appears to me that there's a complete & total lack of: A) 'respect for one's elders' B) 'fear of consequences for one's actions' (here OR in the 'next life') and last but certainly NOT least: C) fear of judgement by a 'higher power' than that of man.

Anyone else but me ever happenned to notice that NOTHING seems to matter, to the 'millennials'...because no matter WHAT you say or HOW you say it...it's ALL. ABOUT. THEM.

Now it's the Mom's in charge. Ok, fine...and there's a fair-amount of single-mom's out there, to be sure...and I truly sympathise with them...but there's a flip-side to that coin...

...don't get me wrong, I think 'Woman's Empowerment' is great...but the direct effect is 'emasculation' of those who SHOULD be wearing the 'Pants' in the family, and when the little bastards (offspring of these 'militant-feminists') are ALLOWED to keep-on believing that they can come & go, and do whatever they please, whenever they please, wherever they please IRREGARDLESS of whoever it affects down the line...

...well...just turn on the news...whadd'ya see ?

Nuff said.

Deep down inside (where the truth is really known) I WANT to believe that the dad's of these kids probably (hopefully ?) know what they SHOULD be doing to 'line thier kids out'...but for SOME reason...they are'nt doing it.

THAT is the REAL issue, we should be talking about...is'nt it ?

...the courts will decide everything else out; why would'nt they ? After all, this is how THEY make thier car & house-payments and also (not-so-coincidentally) how they send THIER spoiled little brats to college...lol