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Name one thing Obama has done that is a success

Faster horses

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With all that he has going on, you'd think at least ONE thing
would have worked.

He said Unemployment would not go over 8% with his stimulus plan
in place.
He's way off base with his socialistic agenda and the American people
are beginning to figure it out.

So, Silver, you don't know of one thing, either?
 

Tex

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
With all that he has going on, you'd think at least ONE thing
would have worked.

He said Unemployment would not go over 8% with his stimulus plan
in place.
He's way off base with his socialistic agenda and the American people
are beginning to figure it out.

So, Silver, you don't know of one thing, either?

One thing he was successful at was beating John McCain in the election.

Other than that, I haven't seen it yet. Signs and movements, yes, but results, not yet.

I grade on results. You can't grade on speeches or celebrity status. It has been 6 months and this is a 4 year test with a lot of grades to be put in the grade book.

All of the sausage I have seen come out of Congress and getting worked up by them has had too much of the taint of money and self interest over public interest.

Here is an example:



Industry cash flowed to health-reform senators

Committee chairman received $1.5 million from health-related companies

WASHINGTON Wash. Post- As liberal protesters marched outside, Sen. Max Baucus sat down inside a San Francisco mansion for a dinner of chicken cordon bleu and a discussion of landmark health-care legislation under consideration by his Senate Finance Committee.

At the table on May 26 were about 20 donors willing to fork over $10,000 or more to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, including executives of major insurance companies, hospitals and other health-care firms.

"Most people there had an agenda; they wanted the ear of a senator, and they got it," said Aaron Roland, a San Francisco health-care activist who paid half price to attend the gathering. "Money gets you in the door. The only thing the other side can do is march around and protest outside."

As his committee has taken center stage in the battle over health-care reform, Chairman Baucus (D-Mont.) has emerged as a leading recipient of Senate campaign contributions from the hospitals, insurers and other medical interest groups hoping to shape the legislation to their advantage. Health-related companies and their employees gave Baucus's political committees nearly $1.5 million in 2007 and 2008, when he began holding hearings and making preparations for this year's reform debate.

Top health executives and lobbyists have continued to flock to the senator's often extravagant fundraising events in recent months. During a Senate break in late June, for example, Baucus held his 10th annual fly-fishing and golfing weekend in Big Sky, Mont., for a minimum donation of $2,500. Later this month comes "Camp Baucus," a "trip for the whole family" that adds horseback riding and hiking to the list of activities.

To avoid any appearance of favoritism, his aides say, Baucus quietly began refusing contributions from health-care political action committees after June 1. But the policy does not apply to lobbyists or corporate executives, who continued to make donations, disclosure records show.

Fundraising prowess
Baucus declined requests to comment for this article. Spokesman Tyler Matsdorf said the senator "is only driven by one thing: what is right for Montana and the country. And he will continue his open process of working together with the president, his colleagues in Congress, and groups and individuals from across the nation to get this legislation passed."

Baucus's fundraising prowess underscores the enduring political strength of the health-care lobby, which led all other sectors in donations to federal candidates during the last election cycle and has shifted its giving to Democrats as the party has tightened its control of Congress.

The sector gave nearly $170 million to federal lawmakers in 2007 and 2008, with 54 percent going to Democrats, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in politics. The shift in parties was even more Many of these contributions have been focused on Baucus, Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) and other senators in the moderate camps of their respective parties, whose votes could prove crucial in a final health-care reform deal, as well as the leaders of five key committees leading the debate. Grassley, the Finance Committee's ranking Republican, received more than $2 million from the health and insurance sectors since 2003. House Ways and Means Chairman Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.) took in $1.6 million from the health sector and its employees over the past two years; ranking Republican Dave Camp (Mich.) received nearly $1 million.

But Baucus, a senator from a sparsely populated and conservative Western state who is serving his sixth term, stands out for the rising tide of health-care contributions to his campaign committee, Friends of Max Baucus, and his political-action committee, Glacier PAC. Baucus collected $3 million from the health and insurance sectors from 2003 to 2008, about 20 percent of the total, data show. Less than 10 percent of the money came from Montana.

Top out-of-state corporate contributors included Schering-Plough, New York Life Insurance, Amgen, and Blue Cross and Blue Shield; individual executives such as Richard T. Clark, chief executive and president of drugmaker Merck, have also made regular donations. Most of these companies, particularly major insurers, strongly oppose a public insurance option, which is favored by President Obama and top House Democrats but has not received support from Baucus's committee.

Baucus is a longtime centrist in the Democratic caucus, and his committee chairmanship has made him a key broker in the health-reform debate. Many former Baucus staff members, including two chiefs of staff, lobby on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry and other health-care players and have been closely involved in negotiations on the legislation.

pronounced during the first three months of this year, when Democrats collected 60 percent of the $5.4 million donated by health-care companies and their employees, the data show.

John Jonas, a Patton Boggs health-care lobbyist who has attended a Baucus fly-fishing event and other fundraisers, said the Montana senator is "key to getting anything done" when it comes to health-care legislation.

"This is not an overwhelmingly liberal Congress, and it's certainly not a liberal Senate," said Jonas, whose clients include Bristol-Myers Squibb, Pfizer and Northwestern Mutual. "I think Max is uniquely situated to try to accomplish that, because he's more of a centrist and moderate Democrat than others are."

But Jerry Flanagan, a health-care analyst with Consumer Watchdog, a California-based advocacy group, said the tide of campaign contributions amounts to "a huge down payment" by companies that expect favorable policies in return. "That is the cold reality of big-money politics," he said.

Tex
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
He beat John McCain with the assistance of the MSM.
They wanted Obama, they got him. Some of them NOW
will talk about the unfairness of the news media regarding
Obama vs. McCain and Biden vs. Palin.

There is too much corruption surrounding this man and we are
just finding out who he really is; although we really don't know yet.
 

TexasBred

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The only success barracko wants is to get socialism firmly planted in this country. After that he could care less about anything in this country let alone re-election. Socialism is his one goal. But he has to get it all done before the public really catches on to him...that's why the big rush on everything. If someone tags him and puts him in the corner...he's a goner for sure and hopefully all his socialist agenda goes down with him.
 

backhoeboogie

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I half expected to see a bunch of liberal support and stories of success they received from kool aid.

Here is what I consider good that can be attributed to Obama.

Obama has brought a bunch of conservatives together and caused a bunch of folks to attend tea parties etc. People are discussing freedoms and defending the constituation like I have never seen before in my life time. It seems we had become complacent. We had taken our freedoms for granted until we saw them get threatened.
 

Sandhusker

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He went into a town renowned for lying and waste and in just a few months set a record for waste and lied about it.

He proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it could get worse.
 
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Anonymous

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I would call this a success- and win over the military industrial complex lobbyiest bought Senators....

Senate rejects additional F-22 funding

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate voted Tuesday to block expansion of one of the country's most controversial and expensive defense programs, the F-22 fighter jet program.


The Senate voted Tuesday to cut $1.75 billion for an additional seven F-22s from the fiscal year 2010 budget.

The vote gave the White House and Pentagon a key victory over congressional supporters of the F-22, many of whom represent states and districts where jobs are tied to the production of the jet.

The vote, which stripped $1.75 billion for an additional seven F-22s from the fiscal year 2010 budget, was a reversal of an earlier Senate committee decision to include money for the program. The change came in a response to strong pressure from President Obama, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and several key senators who argued that the additional planes are not needed or wanted by the military.

The 58-40 vote, which did not break down along typical partisan lines, was the culmination of a classic confrontation between the president and Congress over who is the best judge of the country's military needs.

"At a time when we're fighting two wars and facing a serious deficit, (expanding the F-22) would have been an inexcusable waste of money," Obama said shortly after the vote.

"Every dollar of waste in our defense budget is a dollar we can't spend to support our troops or prepare for future threats or protect the American people."

Under the 2010 budget proposed by Gates, production of the F-22 would be halted at 187 planes. The Pentagon instead wants to produce 500 of the more modern F-35 planes over the next five years and 2,400 over time.
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Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, also acknowledged the intensity of the dispute during the final Senate debate.

"This amendment is probably the most impactful amendment that I have seen in this body on almost any issue, much less the issue of defense," McCain said on the Senate floor.

"It really boils down to whether we're going to continue [the] business as usual of once a weapons system gets into full production it never dies, or whether we're going to take the necessary steps to really reform the acquisition process in this country."
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Gates has maintained that more jobs will be created in F-35 production than will be lost in stopping the F-22. He said 11,000 jobs will be lost by halting the F-22, while it is anticipated that 82,000 jobs will be created by the F-35.


Gates said Monday he'd heard no "substantive" argument for keeping the jet for national security reasons, pointing out that China has no planes that can compete with the more than 1,000 advanced fighter jets the U.S. will have by 2020.

Gates said that the gap between the two countries' aerial arsenals will only widen.


In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
As of now it looks like he only stopped plane production.

If he really builds they newer planes as stated then I will call that a good thing. But Obama does not have a good record of keeping his word, so please update us when you see that the new plane is being built.
 

Texan

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Name one thing Obama has done that is a success
Wow, that's a tough one. But I'll give him a lot of credit for his efforts in the black community in trying to get fathers to take care of their kids. And his attempts to encourage minority kids to get an education.

These are both long-range goals and it will be a long time before they can be judged as either a failure or success - but I sure give him credit for trying.
 

alice

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Texan said:
Name one thing Obama has done that is a success
Wow, that's a tough one. But I'll give him a lot of credit for his efforts in the black community in trying to get fathers to take care of their kids. And his attempts to encourage minority kids to get an education.

These are both long-range goals and it will be a long time before they can be judged as either a failure or success - but I sure give him credit for trying.

Thank you. That needed saying. Just wish I'd come up with it... :oops: Im becoming discouraged...

It means more coming from you. Again, thank you.

Alice
 

Twister Frost

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Here's more of the fight over the F-22

Senate rejects additional F-22 fundingStory Highlights
NEW: Obama says F-22 vote "would have been an inexcusable waste of money"

White House granted a key victory by the Senate on F-22 funding

Senate stripped $1.75 billion for seven new F-22 fighters jets

The funding would have been a part of the fiscal year 2010 budget

updated 5:22 p.m. EDT, Tue July 21, 2009

From Adam Levine
CNN


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate voted Tuesday to block expansion of one of the country's most controversial and expensive defense programs, the F-22 fighter jet program.


The Senate voted Tuesday to cut $1.75 billion for an additional seven F-22s from the fiscal year 2010 budget.

The vote gave the White House and Pentagon a key victory over congressional supporters of the F-22, many of whom represent states and districts where jobs are tied to the production of the jet.

The vote, which stripped $1.75 billion for an additional seven F-22s from the fiscal year 2010 budget, was a reversal of an earlier Senate committee decision to include money for the program. The change came in a response to strong pressure from President Obama, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and several key senators who argued that the additional planes are not needed or wanted by the military.

The 58-40 vote, which did not break down along typical partisan lines, was the culmination of a classic confrontation between the president and Congress over who is the best judge of the country's military needs.

"At a time when we're fighting two wars and facing a serious deficit, (expanding the F-22) would have been an inexcusable waste of money," Obama said shortly after the vote.

F-22 in the military
Primary function: Air dominance, multi-role fighter

Unit cost: $143 million

Inventory: Total force, 134

Initial operating capability: December 2005

Contractor: Lockheed-Martin, Boeing

Speed: Mach 2 class with supercruise capability

Crew: One

Weaponry: One 20-mm cannon with 480 rounds, internal weapon bays capable of carrying up to eight air-to-air missiles


Source: U.S. Air Force
"Every dollar of waste in our defense budget is a dollar we can't spend to support our troops or prepare for future threats or protect the American people."

Under the 2010 budget proposed by Gates, production of the F-22 would be halted at 187 planes. The Pentagon instead wants to produce 500 of the more modern F-35 planes over the next five years and 2,400 over time.

The decision was met with strong opposition in Congress. With the F-22 being manufactured in or getting supplies from 44 different states, the plane gets broad support from congressmen and senators on both sides of the aisle.

One of the leading proponents for keeping the F-22 program is Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Georgia, whose state is home to the factory that assembles the jet. On Tuesday, Chambliss defended his support, arguing that Congress should not just rubber stamp spending decisions by the Pentagon.

"Our interest and involvement in these issues is appropriate and not just based on parochial issues," Chambliss said.

Underscoring the drama, Obama threatened to veto the entire defense budget if it included money for the F-22.
Chambliss noted that there has been a "flurry" of lobbying by the White House and Defense Department.
"I've never seen the White House lobby like they've lobbied on this issue," Chambliss said. "It's been unparalleled."

Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, also acknowledged the intensity of the dispute during the final Senate debate.

"This amendment is probably the most impactful amendment that I have seen in this body on almost any issue, much less the issue of defense," McCain said on the Senate floor.

"It really boils down to whether we're going to continue [the] business as usual of once a weapons system gets into full production it never dies, or whether we're going to take the necessary steps to really reform the acquisition process in this country."

The Lockheed Martin jet has never been used in Afghanistan or Iraq, but supporters contend it is needed to fight more sophisticated enemies who might confront the United States in the future, such as China or Russia.

They also note the thousands of jobs that will be lost if the F-22 program is halted.

"We put that many jobs at risk, not because the industry is failing, not because it is a bad piece of aircraft, but because the secretary of defense and the administration have decided this program isn't worthy of our support. So explain to those 90,000 people, once they lose their jobs and get laid off," said Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd.

The F-22 engine is made in Dodd's home state of Connecticut.

"Terminating production, like closing a base, involves economic loss for communities involved," Levin said. "But we must do so from time to time, and make these difficult decisions based on what is best for the nation and what is best for the men and women of the armed forces."

Gates has maintained that more jobs will be created in F-35 production than will be lost in stopping the F-22. He said 11,000 jobs will be lost by halting the F-22, while it is anticipated that 82,000 jobs will be created by the F-35.


Gates said Monday he'd heard no "substantive" argument for keeping the jet for national security reasons, pointing out that China has no planes that can compete with the more than 1,000 advanced fighter jets the U.S. will have by 2020.

Gates said that the gap between the two countries' aerial arsenals will only widen
 

movin' on

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backhoeboogie said:
I half expected to see a bunch of liberal support and stories of success they received from kool aid.

Here is what I consider good that can be attributed to Obama.

Obama has brought a bunch of conservatives together and caused a bunch of folks to attend tea parties etc. People are discussing freedoms and defending the constituation like I have never seen before in my life time. It seems we had become complacent. We had taken our freedoms for granted until we saw them get threatened.

Right On!!!!! Bingo! Amen! etc., etc.

You are exactly right. This lunatic and his administration have made thousands, if not millions, stand up and say "just a minute"!

Those of us who wouldn't have voted for him if he was the only candidate on the ticket are daily having our reservations affirmed.

Many, many of those who voted for him, having no clue what they were getting into, are starting to really, really question him.

While I believe that voting (falling) for the man showed great gullibility and lack of discernment by many "centrists" in our nation, I have made myself a pledge to try my best not to say "I told you so" when I talk to people who are slowly starting to come around.

This has been a very positive week so far, as many more articles in papers and on the web are starting to show that the bloom is indeed coming off the Obama rose!

To paraphrase a bumper sticker........I'll keep my bible, guns, capitalism, republic, constitution, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, etc. You keep the change.
 

backhoeboogie

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movin' on said:
Many, many of those who voted for him, having no clue what they were getting into, are starting to really, really question him.

Some of his supporters have engaged in discussions with others in front of me. Mostly I am calmly and happily encouraging them to read the constitution, find out who is their representatives, and understand what is being proposed.

"Having no clue" is exactly right. It is no different that what you see on Jay Leno when you ask these Obama supporters what they think of the speaker of the house. Most of them say, "What's HIS name again?"

It is all pretty sad.
 
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