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Nancy Cleans House - LMAO

Texan

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Editorial: Is Pelosi serious about cleaning up the House?

WASHINGTON
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., will make history this week when she becomes the first woman elected as speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. What also will likely be seen this week in her handling of the Conyers scandal is whether or not Pelosi means what she says about cleaning up the ethics mess left by the Republicans (and not a few prominent Democrats as well).

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., is scheduled to become chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, but only because he agreed when Pelosi previously made clear that she intended him not to waste time on impeachment proceedings against President Bush. But now we learn that Conyers has his own problems with obeying the law.

There is so much wrong with the Conyers situation that Pelosi shouldn’t have to think twice about nixing Conyers’ chairmanship. Let us look at how the Conyers scandal epitomizes the ethics mess in the House:

First, releasing its report late on Friday before the New Year’s holiday weekend made it clear that the House “Ethics” Committee intended to minimize public understanding of the Conyers scandal. This is classic Washington Establishment manipulation of the news cycle to insulate itself against public accountability.

Second, Conyers responded to the “Ethics” committee by “accepting responsibility” for a “lack of clarity” in asking aides to work on his re-election campaign while on the official payroll instead of going on a campaign staff, as the law requires, and to do personal chores for him. The allegations came from senior staff members, including a former chief of staff, not interns or other short-term aides who might have questionable motives.

Third, the “Ethics” committee report also concerned a second investigation of Conyers from 2003 on allegations that his aides also worked on the Carol Mosely-Braun presidential campaign and JoAnn Watson’s Detroit City Council race. Would Conyers have applied the same slipshod legal standards to his Bush impeachment effort?

Fourth, the Conyers scandal shows it’s still business as usual for the “Ethics” committee. Pelosi should demand that Rep. Doc Hastings, R-Wash., and Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., the committee leaders who signed off on the Conyers report, be removed permanently from the panel and barred from leadership of other House panels.

Finally, Pelosi should heed former White House chief of staff and ex-congressman Leon Panetta, who said “you can attack one party for having a lack of ethics, but if any of your own members have problems, it dulls the message with the American people, they begin to put everybody in the same box.” In other words, whenever one member of the House has an ethics problem, it damages the credibility of all members of the House, including most especially its most visible leader, the speaker.

Pelosi should withdraw Conyers’ appointment as chairman of the House Judiciary Committee because he is unfit for the position and because the ethics mess simply cannot be cleaned up with such an individual leading the House committee most directly concerned with upholding the majesty of the law.


http://www.examiner.com/printa-485578~Editorial:_Is_Pelosi_serious_about_cleaning_up_the_House?.html
 

Steve

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Maybe they'll give it to the Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA), he hasn't been convicted of anything yet......
 

schnurrbart

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Steve said:
Maybe they'll give it to the Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA), he hasn't been convicted of anything yet......

Maybe she should break with tradition all together and appoint one of those moral, ethical, holier-than-thou, self-righteous repubs!
 

Steve

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Schnurrbart
Maybe she should break with tradition all together and appoint one of those moral, ethical, holier-than-thou, self-righteous repubs!

it's easy to go back to the old adage "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house"......the Dems have been stoning the repubs for years......guess they shouldn't have lied to take over the glass House......




Would you prefer we do not to respond to this outrage?
 

Steve

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R2:
I don't care who started it (Bork smears are cited often as the beginning) but it's destroying our country.

actually it's the lack of "true accountability" that is ripping this country apart.....

The Dems' ran on a platform of "ethics",....yet when faced with blatant lapses in judgment by their key players they falter and make excuses.....often blaming those who exposed the ethics violation as the problem......just as you just did.....

NO, the real problem is unethical politicians
 

schnurrbart

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Steve said:
Schnurrbart
Maybe she should break with tradition all together and appoint one of those moral, ethical, holier-than-thou, self-righteous repubs!

it's easy to go back to the old adage "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house"......the Dems have been stoning the repubs for years......guess they shouldn't have lied to take over the glass House......




Would you prefer we do not to respond to this outrage?

I would like to know just what lies the Dems told to retake Congress. I think the American public got tired of hearing how high and mighty the repubs are and then proving otherwise so they decided to change. The repubs have had total control over the govt still couldn't get their supporter's agendas passed and that wasn't the fault of the Dems because they didn't have the votes to defeat the bills without help from true repubs.
 

schnurrbart

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kolanuraven said:
Watch out schnurrbart...this bunch is grumpy and they'll bite!!!

They are the same here as everywhere else. They talk big and nasty about the opposition's misdeeds but when their own get caught, they still talk about the misdeeds of the opposition.
 

Steve

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Schnurrbart:
They are the same here as everywhere else. They talk big and nasty about the opposition's misdeeds but when their own get caught, they still talk about the misdeeds of the opposition.

yep, that seems to be the Dems' play book to a T

The Dems are the same here as everywhere else. The Dems talk big and nasty about the opposition's misdeeds but when their own get caught, then the dems still talk about the misdeeds of the opposition."

Would you prefer we do not to respond to this outrage?
 

IL Rancher

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I don't know reader... You can blame Rove for engaging in these wars but it is far from his invention or even his responsibility for perfecting it... I can't hardly think of an election since 88 or so (Probably the first election I can strongly recall) without real negative nasty campaigning.. Willie Horton? And it goes on with the Dems claims that the House repubs wanted to starve the children during one of those budget showdowns during the Clinton era and the Moveon.org adds. Republicans have been good at it too, Oberweis, when he was running in the Repub primaries in Illinois, Yikes. Alan Keyes speeches as a senate run against Obama.. They all do it, and they do it for one reason.

WE LET THEM. They work... If they didn't swing opinion people wouldn't try them... Soon enough it is going to be Canidate C beats puppies and doesn't like Apple pie so he is un american and Canidate X ... Well, he is a goose footing fascist... They are already imply these things if you pay attention and they are sick.. The sicker part is that it works.
 

aplusmnt

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schnurrbart said:
I would like to know just what lies the Dems told to retake Congress. .

I would like to know who got themselves a new identity? :lol:

Ps. They are Politicians hard to nail them down sometimes to a specific lie but one thing we know for sure is that they did lie. Not just Dem's, but all Politicians lie, cheat and steal. Just a way of life.

Only factor for me is along the way of lying, cheating and stealing as they all do. Did they support killing unborn babies, taking my guns away, turning the other cheek for terrorist, raise my taxes and give Bob and Bill the right to Marry.

All Politicians lie, cheat and steal. Key is what do they do in their free time that is why we choose who to elect.
 

schnurrbart

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Steve said:
Schnurrbart:
They are the same here as everywhere else. They talk big and nasty about the opposition's misdeeds but when their own get caught, they still talk about the misdeeds of the opposition.

yep, that seems to be the Dems' play book to a T

The Dems are the same here as everywhere else. The Dems talk big and nasty about the opposition's misdeeds but when their own get caught, then the dems still talk about the misdeeds of the opposition."

Would you prefer we do not to respond to this outrage?[/quote

That's right. It is the exact same thing. Both side's comments can readily be attributed to the opposition. You say you don't do the things that us Dems do but in reality you do. Just what lies did the Dems tell and what "outrage" are you talking about? The one where bush sends in more people to die so that the already dead ones didn't die in vain? Or the one where a repub controlled govt couldn't get any of it's supporter's agends passed? Or a different one altogether?
 

Steve

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Schnurrbart wrote:
I would like to know just what lies the Dems told to retake Congress. .

From the article:
WASHINGTON - Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., will make history this week when she becomes the first woman elected as speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. What also will likely be seen this week in her handling of the Conyers scandal is whether or not Pelosi means what she says about cleaning up the ethics mess left by the Republicans (and a few prominent Democrats as well).

But then who would expect her to honor all that rhetoric

But then again she has a few problems of her own:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050405-123505-7189r.htm
But the trip is raising questions from some Republicans, who say the California Democrat and some ethics-watchdog groups are being hypocritical


http://www.nlpc.org/view.asp?action=viewArticle&aid=456
The Federal Election Commission (FEC) has fined two leadership PACs associated with House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) in response to a Complaint filed by the National Legal and Policy Center (NLPC) on October 25, 2002. The FEC also has fined three campaigns that failed to return excessive contributions from Pelosi’s PACs within 60 days, as required by law.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20050504-122024-4420r.htm
Republicans are wondering why the California representative won't ask for investigations into Democratic Reps. Norm Dicks of Washington, Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, James E. Clyburn of South Carolina and Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii, all of whom face questions about accepting travel paid for by lobbyists.

Socrates: The fact is, as we said at the beginning of our discussion, that the aspiring speaker Nancy Pelosi needs no knowledge of the truth about what is right or good... she just need Rhetoric
 

Steve

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Schnurrbart:
That's right. It is the exact same thing. Both side's comments can readily be attributed to the opposition. You say you don't do the things that us Dems do but in reality you do. Just what lies did the Dems tell and what "outrage" are you talking about? The one where bush sends in more people to die so that the already dead ones didn't die in vain? Or the one where a repub controlled govt couldn't get any of it's supporter's agends passed? Or a different one altogether?

oh, I understand now, Nancy Pelosi is unethical, but it's Bush's fault...



thats' in the play book to...forgot about that one:
If you can defend your argument,...blame it on bush....
 

kolanuraven

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Schurrbart....I'm liking you already!!!


Didn't Bush promise not to nation build? On yeah, but he didn't promise to nation destroy and that's where the loop hole comes in and thus we're now nation building a nation that didn't even attack us!!

Hmmmmmmmm..... :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

Steve

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KolanuRaven:
Schurrbart....I'm liking you already!!!


Didn't Bush promise not to nation build? On yeah, but he didn't promise to nation destroy and that's where the loop hole comes in and thus we're now nation building a nation that didn't even attack us!!

Hmmmmmmmm..... :roll: :roll: :roll:

This is getting to easy....I can just re-use my last answer....and add :roll:

Steve already said:
oh, I understand now, Nancy Pelosi is unethical, but it's Bush's fault...



thats' in the play book to...forgot about that one:
If you can defend your argument,...blame it on bush.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

aplusmnt

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kolanuraven said:
Schurrbart....I'm liking you already!!!


Didn't Bush promise not to nation build? On yeah, but he didn't promise to nation destroy and that's where the loop hole comes in and thus we're now nation building a nation that didn't even attack us!!

Hmmmmmmmm..... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Who says we have to wait till a nation attacks us? Did not work to well for people of Pearl Harbor.

Have not been in to many fights in my life, but when a guy, put his fist up and told me he was going to kick my a$$ I did not wait for him to attack, I liked to get the first lick in.

Saddam swore to destroy us, good enough to me. Guess he will watch the threats a little closer next time huh? O wait only one he will be threatening is Hitler, Stalin and a few other bad people in Hell. :wink:
 

jigs

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kolanuraven said:
Schurrbart....I'm liking you already!!!
kola's view of the war......

asshole.jpg
 

schnurrbart

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Steve said:
Schnurrbart:
That's right. It is the exact same thing. Both side's comments can readily be attributed to the opposition. You say you don't do the things that us Dems do but in reality you do. Just what lies did the Dems tell and what "outrage" are you talking about? The one where bush sends in more people to die so that the already dead ones didn't die in vain? Or the one where a repub controlled govt couldn't get any of it's supporter's agends passed? Or a different one altogether?

oh, I understand now, Nancy Pelosi is unethical, but it's Bush's fault...



thats' in the play book to...forgot about that one:
If you can defend your argument,...blame it on bush....

I ask you what outrage you are talking about and you start saying something about Pelosi being unethical. I don't know that she nor anyother Dems lied to get back Congress. Maybe they did but just because someone says they will do something and you don't like they way they are doing it, doesn't make them a liar. It just makes their actions unacceptable in your eyes. On the outrage, I asked you which of the outrages you were talking about and then named a couple of things that I think are outrages and asked you if those were what you were talking about or something else. Still waiting.
 
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