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NCBA Scrutinizing COOL- Want to Take Bets?

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Anonymous

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"What we're talking about here is a marketing program," Batra said. "And the government shouldn't mandate how someone markets their product."

BUT-BUT-BUT Didn't NCBA just support and back USDA's blocking Creekstone from testing and marketing BSE tested beef to the Asians, who had requested it.... Isn't that mandating how someone markets their product :???: These old fogies at NCBA will live and die selling their souls for the Big Packers.....Looks like they didn't notice that 92% figure in USDA's nationwide cattle owners survey that want to promote and market USA born, raised, and slaughtered... :roll:



NCBA scrutinizing COOL bill

By Tom Johnston on 1/30/2007 for Meatingplace.com




The National Cattlemen's Beef Association said it is reviewing a Senate bill that would move up the deadline for mandatory country-of-origin labeling for all meat products from Sept. 30, 2008 to Sept. 30, 2007.

NCBA spokeswoman Karen Batra told Meatingplace.com that while NCBA continues to support COOL, it still believes the labeling should be voluntary rather than mandatory. Among other problems, the law exempts poultry, putting beef producers at a competitive disadvantage, she said.

"What we're talking about here is a marketing program," Batra said. "And the government shouldn't mandate how someone markets their product."

The Senate bill was sponsored by Sens. Craig Thomas (R-Wyo.) and Max Baucus (D-Mont.). Sens. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.)and Jon Tester (D-Mont.) have also signed onto the bill, as well as senators from the Dakotas, Iowa and New Mexico.

"It is important to provide consumers with more product information, better choices and a better chance to support American agriculture," Thomas told reporters.
 

RobertMac

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"What we're talking about here is a marketing program," Batra said. "And the government shouldn't mandate how someone markets their product."

What about labeling laws and interstate commerce issues?
 
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Anonymous

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OT: "BUT-BUT-BUT Didn't NCBA just support and back USDA's blocking Creekstone from testing and marketing BSE tested beef to the Asians, who had requested it.... Isn't that mandating how someone markets their product These old fogies at NCBA will live and die selling their souls for the Big Packers.....Looks like they didn't notice that 92% figure in USDA's nationwide cattle owners survey that want to promote and market USA born, raised, and slaughtered..."

What Creekstone wanted to committ was consumer fraud. Fraud that hypocrites like you supported just so you could "BWAME USDA" and suck your thumb.

If you want a periodic vote on the checkoff, WHY DON'T YOU TELL YOUR BEEF BOARD MEMBERS TO CHANGE THE LAW???

All you can do is bitch!


~SH~
 
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Anonymous

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You bet consumer fraud.

When you are selling "BSE TESTED" beef from cattle under 24 months with a test that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months, that is consumer fraud and precisely why Japan is phasing out their own 100% testing program.


~SH~
 

Mike

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When you are selling "BSE TESTED" beef from cattle under 24 months with a test that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months, that is consumer fraud

Can you tell us how the numerous cattle worldwide under 24 months were confirmed with BSE if there is no test to do so?
 

Sandhusker

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~SH~ said:
You bet consumer fraud.

When you are selling "BSE TESTED" beef from cattle under 24 months with a test that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months, that is consumer fraud and precisely why Japan is phasing out their own 100% testing program.


~SH~

You don't know what consumer fraud is! In order for fraud to be committed, the product has to be misreprested or replaced. The consumer has to be receiving something other than what was bargained for. Do you think Creekstone was going to give the Japanese something other than exactly what they wanted? Do you actually think the Japanese would accept anything other than exactly what they wanted?

You need to get a dictionary and quit using words that you don't know the definition of.
 
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Mike: "Can you tell us how the numerous cattle worldwide under 24 months were confirmed with BSE if there is no test to do so?"

Can you tell us why Creekstone admitted that their test would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age if their test would reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age?

Why would Creekstone's Fielding admit that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" if their test would do what consumers think it would do?

Don't try your deceptive crap on me Mike.


Sandcheska: "You don't know what consumer fraud is! In order for fraud to be committed, the product has to be misreprested or replaced. The consumer has to be receiving something other than what was bargained for. Do you think Creekstone was going to give the Japanese something other than exactly what they wanted? Do you actually think the Japanese would accept anything other than exactly what they wanted?"

You are the one who doesn't know what consumer fraud is.

Any consumer that is buying "BSE TESTED BEEF" assumes that the beef they are buying is "BSE FREE". WHY ELSE WOULD YOU TEST YOU IDIOT???

How stupid are you to suggest that consumers are wanting "BSE TESTED BEEF" under the knowledge that the test that that is being used will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age?

Your defense of this consumer fraud speaks volumes about you. Then again, creating "ILLUSIONS" and deception has always been your MO.



~SH~
 

Mike

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~SH~ said:
Mike: "Can you tell us how the numerous cattle worldwide under 24 months were confirmed with BSE if there is no test to do so?"

Can you tell us why Creekstone admitted that their test would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age if their test would reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age?

Why would Creekstone's Fielding admit that "BSE TESTED" does not mean "BSE FREE" if their test would do what consumers think it would do?

Don't try your deceptive crap on me Mike.


No deception here. Somehow I knew you'd dodge the question. :roll:
 

Sandhusker

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I'm sure Japan has their version of a better business bureau. I wonder what they would tell you if you reported one of the Japanese packers that are currently testing as fraud?

What evidence do you have that Creekstone would not be giving the Japanese exactly what they are asking for? You may be describing an uninformed consumer (which I seriously doubt considering the Japanese's history with BSE) or even a frivilous request, but definitely not consumer fraud. Japan would not accept anything from Creekstone that they didn't want. They would not allow themselves to be defrauded. How stupid to you think they are? Didn't you see how they handled the USDA?

An example of consumer fraud would be a consumer buying a package of beef thinking it was fresh because of the color, but finding out later it was two weeks old and only looked fresh because of gas in the package. You see, unlike BSE tested beef, the consumer was NOT getting exactly what they thought they were getting (fresh beef).
 

S.S.A.P.

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Sandhusker said:
..... You may be describing an uninformed consumer (which I seriously doubt considering the Japanese's history with BSE) .....

TOKYO (AP)--New surveys show staunch resistance to U.S. beef in Japan despite the recent resumption of imports, with 80% of Japanese still concerned about its safety

Uninformed consumer or informed consumer?
 

Sandhusker

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SH, "Any consumer that is buying "BSE TESTED BEEF" assumes that the beef they are buying is "BSE FREE". WHY ELSE WOULD YOU TEST YOU IDIOT??? "

Now you're putting on business the added burden of not being able to meet a customer's request unless that customer can pass a product familiarity test! Talk about a hinderance to business! That sounds like a requirement from Boxer, Kennedy, Schumer, Rangel, etc....! Are you going to apply that requirement across the board, or is this only for one industry? Will a restaurant be forbidden from replacing a salad for fries for a customer because science says there's more calories in the salad dressing than the spuds? Science says that bush I wanted to buy won't grow North of zone 5. Will Gurneys be forbidden to sell it to me since I live in zone 4?
 
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Mike: "Somehow I knew you'd dodge the question."

Your question was irrelevant because Creekstone admitted their test would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age when they said, "BSE TESTED DOES NOT MEAN BSE FREE".

Why test cattle under 24 months of age if the test you are using will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age? It's not like Creekstone is involved in bse surveilance testing of younger cattle.

Creekstone clearly wanted to capitalize on the fears of Japanese consumers by selling them an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

Somehow I knew you'd dodge my questions

You were being deceptive Mike ("...how the numerous cattle worldwide under 24 months were confirmed with BSE"). You were trying to create the "ILLUSION" that Creekstone's test would reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age. That was clearly not the case.


Sandcheska: "I'm sure Japan has their version of a better business bureau. I wonder what they would tell you if you reported one of the Japanese packers that are currently testing as fraud?"

More deception!

Japan's testing of cattle over 30 months of age is hardly the same as Creekstone's testing of cattle under 24 months of age with a test that would not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.

If Japan thought testing of cattle under 24 months of age was a legitimate practice, THEY WOULD NOT BE PHASING OUT THEIR OWN 100% TESTING PROGRAM.

You don't have a leg to stand on here not that you ever did.


Sandcheska: "What evidence do you have that Creekstone would not be giving the Japanese exactly what they are asking for? You may be describing an uninformed consumer (which I seriously doubt considering the Japanese's history with BSE) or even a frivilous request, but definitely not consumer fraud. Japan would not accept anything from Creekstone that they didn't want. They would not allow themselves to be defrauded. How stupid to you think they are? Didn't you see how they handled the USDA?"

What they are asking for is not the issue. The issue is whether the Japanese are getting WHAT THEY THINK THEY ARE GETTING. WHAT THEY THINK THEY ARE GETTING IS BSE FREE BEEF BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ARE GETTING. They are getting "THE ILLUSION OF SAFETY".

Any consumer that demands "BSE TESTED BEEF" thinks that the tested beef they are buying is BSE FREE but that's not the case in Creekstone's situation.

They are definitely being defrauded.

They believed "BSE TESTED" meant "BSE FREE" but that was not the case.


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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SH, "What they are asking for is not the issue."

That is the issue. They want it, Creekstone is willing to provide it. Who are you to get in the way? You don't have a peg in that game. You are not negetively affected in any way, shape, or manner. Nobody is negetively affected in any way, shape, or manner

SH, "They are definitely being defrauded. "

So now companies have to make sure consumers of their product understand what they're getting or they're defrauding them? Are you going to apply that standard to everybody, Mr. Liberal?
 
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Sandhusker said:
So now companies have to make sure consumers of their product understand what they're getting or they're defrauding them? Are you going to apply that standard to everybody, Mr. Liberal?

Remember he and Tyson are partnered up with George Soros now...Is probably a closet Clintonite :wink: :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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You know damn well any consumer that requests "BSE TESTED BEEF" wants that test to assure them that the beef is bse free.

How stupid are you?


~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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~SH~ said:
You know damn well any consumer that requests "BSE TESTED BEEF" wants that test to assure them that the beef is bse free.

How stupid are you?


~SH~

Maybe the extra nickel helps them sleep better. It doesn't matter, it's up to them, it's their nickel. Why is it on Creekstone to make sure people are buying their product for the right reasons? How anti-business and liberal are you going to go? Have you ever heard of personal responsibility?
 
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Sandcheska: "Why is it on Creekstone to make sure people are buying their product for the right reasons? How anti-business and liberal are you going to go? Have you ever heard of personal responsibility?"

Your defense of this consumer fraud is almost incomprehensible.

Why is it on FDA to make sure drug companies can back their claims? How anti business and liberal are you going to go? Have you ever heard of personal responsibility?

Why is it on law enforcement officers to make sure people are driving the speed limit? How liberal are you going to go? Have you ever heard of personal responsibility?

Same stupid argument!

One of the responsibilities of USDA and FDA is to protect consumers from fraud like this whether foreign or abroad. Using your stupid arguments, why not sell illegal drugs? That's what the consumer wants. Who are you to stand in the way? Same stupid argument.

Your such an idiot but unfortunately, it's to a point where you can't even realize the depths.



~SH~
 

Sandhusker

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~SH~ said:
Sandcheska: "Why is it on Creekstone to make sure people are buying their product for the right reasons? How anti-business and liberal are you going to go? Have you ever heard of personal responsibility?"

Your defense of this consumer fraud is almost incomprehensible.

Why is it on FDA to make sure drug companies can back their claims? How anti business and liberal are you going to go? Have you ever heard of personal responsibility?

Why is it on law enforcement officers to make sure people are driving the speed limit? How liberal are you going to go? Have you ever heard of personal responsibility?

Same stupid argument!

One of the responsibilities of USDA and FDA is to protect consumers from fraud like this whether foreign or abroad. Using your stupid arguments, why not sell illegal drugs? That's what the consumer wants. Who are you to stand in the way? Same stupid argument.

Your such an idiot but unfortunately, it's to a point where you can't even realize the depths.



~SH~

In your examples, somebody can get hurt. Who's getting hurt from tested beef?

How is Creekstone frauding anybody? Where have they misrepresented their product? What makes you think the Japanese are stupid enough to not only allow themselves to be defrauded, but to even request it?
 
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Anonymous

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Sandcheska: "In your examples, somebody can get hurt. Who's getting hurt from tested beef?"

Those who believe "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE".


Sandcheska: "How is Creekstone frauding anybody?"

They are selling the "ILLUSION OF SAFETY" by bse testing cattle under 24 months of age with a test that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.


Sandcheska: "Where have they misrepresented their product?"

By testing cattle under 24 months of age with a test that will not reveal bse prions in cattle under 24 months of age.


Sandcheska: "What makes you think the Japanese are stupid enough to not only allow themselves to be defrauded, but to even request it?"

Any Japanese consumer that requests bse tested beef does so under the assumption that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE".

You can't dance around the truth. Not now, not ever. The truth is that anyone who requests bse tested beef does so under the assumption that "BSE TESTED" means "BSE FREE". Creekstone was selling an "ILLUSION OF SAFETY".


~SH~
 
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