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Neoconservatism - "NEOCONS"

Mike

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Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States from the rejection of social liberalism and the New Left counterculture of the 1960s. It influenced the presidential administrations of Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush, representing a realignment in American politics, and the defection of some liberals to the right side of the political spectrum which refers to being 'new' conservatives.[1] Neoconservatism emphasizes foreign policy as the paramount responsibility of government, seeing the American role of world's sole superpower as indispensable to establishing and maintaining global order.[2]

The term neoconservative was originally used as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right".[3][4] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the usage of neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[5] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about."[1
 

Texan

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I'm really confused now. What the hell is a "neocon"? I thought it was any conservative that Oldtimer and the libs wanted to demonize.
 

Mike

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Maybe the term is a compliment but the idiots here that use the term to try and degrade others didn't know what it meant to start with?

"NEO" is used instead of NEW.

"CON" is used instea CONSERVATIVE.

There is nothing new about me but I am what I consider conservative.

I take it that a "NeoCon" is a Reagan Democrat. OK with me. :lol:
 
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Anonymous

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Mike as normal forgot the major issues of neoconservatism that are from the same source :roll: These point out the warmongering and nation building points of the neoconservative policys- along with the globalist imperialism they arrogantly want the US involved in.....All of which are counter to long existing conservative values...


Neoconservatism emphasizes foreign policy as the paramount responsibility of government, seeing the American role of world's sole superpower as indispensable to establishing and maintaining global order..
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Most neoconservatives are members of the Republican Party. Bill Clinton was considered by many to be a neoconservatist- because of his globalist beliefs- and connection to the Bilderbergers- North American Union backers .... They have been in electoral alignment with other conservatives and served in the same presidential administrations. While they have often ignored ideological differences in alliance against those to their left, neoconservatives differ from traditional or paleoconservatives. In particular, they disagree with nativism, protectionism, and non-interventionism in foreign policy, ideologies rooted in American history and exemplified by former Republican paleoconservative Pat Buchanan. Compared with traditional conservatism and libertarianism, which may be non-interventionist, neoconservatism emphasizes defense capability, challenging regimes hostile to the values and interests of the United States, and pressing for free-market policies abroad. Neoconservatives also believe in democratic peace theory, the proposition that democracies never or almost never go to war with one another.

Neoconservatives disagree with political realism in foreign policy, often associated with Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger. Though Republican and anti-communist, Nixon and Kissinger made pragmatic accommodation with dictators and sought peace through negotiations, diplomacy, and arms control. They pursued détente with the Soviet Union, rather than rollback, and established relations with the communist People's Republic of China.

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There is also conflict between neoconservatives and libertarian conservatives. Libertarian conservatives are ideologically opposed to the expansiveness of federal government programs and regard neoconservative foreign policy ambitions with outspoken distrust. They view the neoconservative promotion of preemptive war as morally unjust, dangerous to the preservation of a free society, and against the principles of the Constitution.

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Disagreement with Old Conservatives (paleocons)
Disputes over Israel and public policy contributed to a sharp conflict with 'paleoconservatives," starting in the 1980s. The movement's name ("old conservative") was taken as a rebuke to the neo side. The paleocons view the neoconservatives as "militarist social democrats" and interlopers who deviate from traditional conservatism agenda on issues as diverse as federalism, immigration, foreign policy, the welfare state, abortion, feminism and homosexuality. All of this leads to a debate over what counts as conservatism.[citation needed]

The paleoconservatives argue that neoconservatives are an illegitimate addition to the conservative movement. Pat Buchanan calls neoconservatism "a globalist, interventionist, open borders ideology."[46] The open rift is often traced back to a 1981 dispute over Ronald Reagan's nomination of Mel Bradford, a Southerner, to run the National Endowment for the Humanities. Bradford withdrew after neoconservatives complained that he had criticized Abraham Lincoln; the paleoconservatives supported Bradford.

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Why we are really in and colonizing Iraq- the borders are insecure- the NAFTA Superhighway that GW deny's - is being built- GW is happy with the devaluing of our dollar- and the reason we will end up with the Amero as our national currency......

Imperialism and secrecy
John McGowan, professor of humanities at the University of North Carolina, states, after an extensive review of neoconservative literature and theory that neoconservative are attempting to build an American empire, seen as successor to the British Empire, its aim being to perpetuate a Pax Americana.
As imperialism is largely seen as unacceptable by the American public, neoconservatives do not articulate their ideas and goals in a frank manner in public discourse. McGowan states,

Frank neoconservatives like Robert Kaplan and Niall Ferguson recognize that they are proposing imperialism as the alternative to liberal internationalism. Yet both Kaplan and Ferguson also understand that imperialism runs so counter to American's liberal tradition that it must... remain a foreign policy that dare not speak its name... While Ferguson, the Brit, laments that Americans cannot just openly shoulder the white man's burden, Kaplan the American, tells us that "only through stealth and anxious foresight" can the United States continue to pursue the "imperial reality [that] already dominates our foreign policy," but must be disavowed in light of "our anti-imperial traditions, and... the fact that imperialism is delegitimized in public discourse"... The Bush administration, justifying all of its actions by an appeal to "national security," has kept as many of those actions as it can secret and has scorned all limitations to executive power by other branches of government or international law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
 

Mike

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Mike as normal forgot the major issues of neoconservatism that are from the same source

I forgot nothing. Parts of the article is purely conjecture (someone's simple opinion) by the leftists.

Was Reagan a warmongerer? Did he attack after the bombing of the marines in Beirut occurred?

neoconservatism emphasizes defense capability, challenging regimes hostile to the values and interests of the United States, and pressing for free-market policies abroad. Neoconservatives also believe in democratic peace theory, the proposition that democracies never or almost never go to war with one another.

I certainly do emphasize defense capability!!!!!!!

I would surely be more welcome to the Neocon tag than I would be the "Socialist" tag................

Pick and choose what you'd like. :lol:

JUST DON"T CALL ME A LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just think, you thought you were degrading us by calling us NEOCONS!!! :lol:
 
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Mike
JUST DON"T CALL ME A LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

The paleocons view the neoconservatives as "militarist social democrats" and interlopers who deviate from traditional conservatism agenda on issues as diverse as federalism, immigration, foreign policy, the welfare state, abortion, feminism and homosexuality. All of this leads to a debate over what counts as conservatism.

Mike- I guess thats the difference between you and the neocons from me and old conservatives (paleocons).....

I/we believe that taxpayers dollars should not be spent around the world in foreign aid, foreign nation building, and expansionism for profiteering of the multinational corporations - nor in promoting free and open borders and the expansionism of the US into a North American Union which will give up a lot of the sovereignty of our country- and the basic rights of our citizens...Nor should the Federal government continue building the largest bureaucracy in history while daily usurping more states rights- from telling us how we have to ID our livestock, to what and how we can educate our children....

I/and old conservatives feel that that money- if it has to be spent- could better be spent building and aiding our own country- and building up our own infrastructure, industrial base, economic base, and defense capability- rather than the current policy which is weakening our economic and military capability daily....

Also going back to our days of Ben Franklin, I support the use of diplomacy and negotiation- over the current neocon view of if "I don't like that guy- or that country- I won't talk to them".....McCains current threats to throw Russia out of the G8 because he doesn't like Putin- could lead us not only into losing a sometime ally on the War on Terror, but sticking us back into the Cold War.....
 

Steve

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Texan
I'm really confused now. What the hell is a "neocon"? I thought it was any conservative that Oldtimer and the libs wanted to demonize.

Simply put... a New conservative is an old liberal that switched sides..

they saw the far left liberals had screwed up their own party so bad they didn't think they could actually fix it, so the jumped ship.. and tried to change the conservatives to a more moderate party.. and in the process brought the compromise that the liberals are now Blaming on the republican party..

which goes to show compromising with liberals is a waste of time.. :roll: :roll: :wink: :? :wink:
 
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Anonymous

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Steve said:
OldTimer
,... McCains ,...

great example of a conservative... :roll: :roll: :roll: :? :roll: :? :wink:

more like a great example of a moderate liberal.. :? :? :?

Yep- the new Republicanism- neoconservatism... :shock: :(
 

TSR

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Oldtimer said:
Mike
JUST DON"T CALL ME A LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

The paleocons view the neoconservatives as "militarist social democrats" and interlopers who deviate from traditional conservatism agenda on issues as diverse as federalism, immigration, foreign policy, the welfare state, abortion, feminism and homosexuality. All of this leads to a debate over what counts as conservatism.

Mike- I guess thats the difference between you and the neocons from me and old conservatives (paleocons).....

I/we believe that taxpayers dollars should not be spent around the world in foreign aid, foreign nation building, and expansionism for profiteering of the multinational corporations - nor in promoting free and open borders and the expansionism of the US into a North American Union which will give up a lot of the sovereignty of our country- and the basic rights of our citizens...Nor should the Federal government continue building the largest bureaucracy in history while daily usurping more states rights- from telling us how we have to ID our livestock, to what and how we can educate our children....

I/and old conservatives feel that that money- if it has to be spent- could better be spent building and aiding our own country- and building up our own infrastructure, industrial base, economic base, and defense capability- rather than the current policy which is weakening our economic and military capability daily....

Also going back to our days of Ben Franklin, I support the use of diplomacy and negotiation- over the current neocon view of if "I don't like that guy- or that country- I won't talk to them".....McCains current threats to throw Russia out of the G8 because he doesn't like Putin- could lead us not only into losing a sometime ally on the War on Terror, but sticking us back into the Cold War.....

Sad thing is I really believe most of America would vote for and elect a paleoconservative as you describe but we just don't have that choice.

Neo--New Conservative- Con New Con, this could be some ammunition for the opposition. :? :?
 

Steve

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TSR
Sad thing is I really believe most of America would vote for and elect a paleoconservative as you describe but we just don't have that choice.

the real sad choice is the three that are left..
 

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