Blkbuckaroo
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I like your bull,and the green grass.Washington state,green grass,rain a plenty.Good pics.
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per
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Big Muddy rancher said:per said:
I understand your confusion per. His Sic'em reds are red Border collies. But he runs black cattle.I know you Albertans are easily confused. :wink: :lol:
Thanks BMR. Yes it is confusing here especially near the city (Large densely populated area). I would like to see some pics of those red Border Collies. I had a tri once but have never witnessed a red. Of course in the Alberta fog I probably would have to ask if it is a collie. :wink:
Faster horses
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Where is sicemreds? He still hasn't told us the bloodlines.
And to be truthful, I don't think he asked us to critcuqe his bull. :shock:
And to be truthful, I don't think he asked us to critcuqe his bull. :shock:
gcreekrch
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After seeing the black cattle and not knowing about the dogs, I wondered where the "Reds" came from also.
I would use this bull for heifers. Personnally, I find him in good breeding condition but a little on the plain side. Just like some of mine. :wink:
I would use this bull for heifers. Personnally, I find him in good breeding condition but a little on the plain side. Just like some of mine. :wink:
PureCountry
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Soap, where I was coming from with the "deep" comments, is in your 2nd post you said you dont like those great big cattle with lots of depth and capacity. I don't either, I was just trying to clarify that I like them the same frame size as Sicem's bull, just with alot more depth and capacity. I like your reply though, and understand your points.
Grassfarmer, I didn't say, nor mean to imply that I use heifer bulls on heifers, and cow bulls on cows. The posted bull was labelled a heifer bull by his owner, saying that he'll use him on heifers. My statement that he'll make a heifer bull, and that's it, is another way of saying the only thing he has going for him is his ease of calving. Maternal??? How should I know? I'm just ging off of 3 pics. So I see a well-fleshed young bull with decent feet/legs who's going to cover plenty of ground and breed a bunch of heifers that should calve easy. Period.
As for me, my heifers, my cows and my crocks all get bred to the same type of bulls I posted in my pics, because that's the only type of bull I buy.
Grassfarmer, I didn't say, nor mean to imply that I use heifer bulls on heifers, and cow bulls on cows. The posted bull was labelled a heifer bull by his owner, saying that he'll use him on heifers. My statement that he'll make a heifer bull, and that's it, is another way of saying the only thing he has going for him is his ease of calving. Maternal??? How should I know? I'm just ging off of 3 pics. So I see a well-fleshed young bull with decent feet/legs who's going to cover plenty of ground and breed a bunch of heifers that should calve easy. Period.
As for me, my heifers, my cows and my crocks all get bred to the same type of bulls I posted in my pics, because that's the only type of bull I buy.
sic 'em reds
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My My, what a post. All have been good and I don't care what anyone has to say about the bull. Like Denny said to sum everything up, as a registered breeder you won't be able to satify everyone.
This bull was bought as a calving ease heifer bull. Period. When you calve heifers on a 150 acre corn circle with one strand of hot wire and some panels and a headgate for emergencies, you don't go buy a power bull to use on heifers. We prefer to go out and find a new calf up and nursing, rather than babysit. We use our"power" bulls for the cows. I don't like and don't have the time and patience to play nurse durring calving.
This bull is a direct son of Traveler 6807 by a Bando 598 cow with a Basin Rainmaker bull on the bottom side. He had an actual bw of 70, weaned at 705 and was 1150 at a year. he scanned 4.8 IMF with an 11.5 REA at 980 lbs.
He is with my registered heifers, the first calvers and a few of my registered cows that were AI'd. He was bought in mind to be a heifer bull, but his pedigree will help open up some of the bloodlines on my registered herd.
I am in no way offended by what others think of this bull. To each his own. My problem is that not everyone runs their cattle the same way and there are some posters that I think do one heck of a job and are getting hammered for it. If you don't like the bull, that's fine, but don't get in a stupid argument for what somebody posted.
Another thing is I will gaurantee, if you saw the bull in person, you would not think he is post legged. He travels very well underneath and his hind feet miss the front ones by probably 6 inches. He is long, thick enough and a heifer bull. He has smooth shoulders, a small head, good neck extension. (The previous is for those who like to judge their cattle like they are being placed in Denver!!!! :lol: )
Thanks to all of you that like my brand, I am kind of partial to it. And where these pictures are is irrigated pasture so it is real green already. We run alot on irrigated, but have some dryland sagebrush also. But it does not look real good this year and may not get used.
Thanks for your posts and I didn't mean to offend anyone if I did.
This bull was bought as a calving ease heifer bull. Period. When you calve heifers on a 150 acre corn circle with one strand of hot wire and some panels and a headgate for emergencies, you don't go buy a power bull to use on heifers. We prefer to go out and find a new calf up and nursing, rather than babysit. We use our"power" bulls for the cows. I don't like and don't have the time and patience to play nurse durring calving.
This bull is a direct son of Traveler 6807 by a Bando 598 cow with a Basin Rainmaker bull on the bottom side. He had an actual bw of 70, weaned at 705 and was 1150 at a year. he scanned 4.8 IMF with an 11.5 REA at 980 lbs.
He is with my registered heifers, the first calvers and a few of my registered cows that were AI'd. He was bought in mind to be a heifer bull, but his pedigree will help open up some of the bloodlines on my registered herd.
I am in no way offended by what others think of this bull. To each his own. My problem is that not everyone runs their cattle the same way and there are some posters that I think do one heck of a job and are getting hammered for it. If you don't like the bull, that's fine, but don't get in a stupid argument for what somebody posted.
Another thing is I will gaurantee, if you saw the bull in person, you would not think he is post legged. He travels very well underneath and his hind feet miss the front ones by probably 6 inches. He is long, thick enough and a heifer bull. He has smooth shoulders, a small head, good neck extension. (The previous is for those who like to judge their cattle like they are being placed in Denver!!!! :lol: )
Thanks to all of you that like my brand, I am kind of partial to it. And where these pictures are is irrigated pasture so it is real green already. We run alot on irrigated, but have some dryland sagebrush also. But it does not look real good this year and may not get used.
Thanks for your posts and I didn't mean to offend anyone if I did.
PureCountry
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Just a side, does anyone else have trouble with pics coming up in thumbnail size? I just noticed it today, never had it happen before. Is something different about the photo gallery? I noticed when I cut and past the url for each pic it's alot longer address than they used to be.
PureCountry
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Never mind, I got it figured.
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sic 'em reds said:
I agree sic' em reds-- what I or someone else likes for cattle/bulls may surely be not what you like for them...
Except I plumb like the looks of that bull....And some of the bloodlines you've mentioned....The only thing that would bother me is the Bando 598 in the pedigree- which thru the rumorville is one of the ones the Aussies are tying to the Fawn Calf Syndrome-- which I hope does not come to be as I have some cows that trace back to 598...And so far I've been able to dodge the genetic bullets with AM and NH...
Its really hard to tell what a yearling bull will turn out to be- and darn sure a crap shoot as to what they will produce....Takes several years to know that unless you are just buying a terminal bull...One of the reasons I like sticking with some of the old proven bloodlines rather than the bull of the month selections....
I love going to bull/cattle sales and picking out my top picks- and comparing that to what the bidders show with what they are willing to pay... Many times my top pick is not the $20,000-$70,000- $150,000 untried selling bull that I think comes about mainly because of promotion, emotion, and commotion...There has been some of those ones I wouldn't have carted home for canner price even....
Northern Rancher
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Soap you'll have to learn to say he's Wwwwwwwwidddddddde in a Scotch brogue-I used to love hearing an old Scotch Angus breeder describe a cow like that.
Soapweed
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Northern Rancher said:
Back in my 4-H days, the lady who was the leader of the "range management" (grass) project had trouble saying the word "little." It came out sounding like "widow." I, being the same ornery cuss then that I am now, asked her several questions that had "Little Bluestem" for the answer. Her answer sounded like "Widow Bwoostem." Sorry, lady, that wasn't nice of me.
Soapweed said:Northern Rancher said:
Back in my 4-H days, the lady who was the leader of the "range management" (grass) project had trouble saying the word "little." It came out sounding like "widow." I, being the same ornery cuss then that I am now, asked her several questions that had "Little Bluestem" for the answer. Her answer sounded like "Widow Bwoostem." Sorry, lady, that wasn't nice of me.
7 hail Marys for you and all is forgiven. :lol: