good point Hereford76. i guess what i meant is that i don't feel a cow with that much milk would work very well in my situation. i don't have enough grass or hay to support that kind of cow. not that i don't have a few like that, just not very many. i would rather have a cow with modest milk and puts more into keeping herself is good shape all year long without alot of feed, than one that produces a ton of milk but lacks fleshing ability. everyones situation is different, so this may be only relative to mine.