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Jul 4, 2005
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Well, I see President Bush is on Good Morning America telling us

"He defended the federal government's response so far to the growing crisis amid urgent pleas for help from stranded victims. He said the breach of the levees that led to the submerging of much of New Orleans had not been anticipated."

But that's not what FEMA said several years ago:

"So vulnerable, in fact, that earlier this year the Federal Emergency Management Agency ranked the potential damage to New Orleans as among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country."

Yet the cost of the Iraqi war punched holes in the Corps of Engineers budget:

""Yet after 2003, the flow of federal dollars toward SELA dropped to a trickle. The Corps never tried to hide the fact that the spending pressures of the war in Iraq, as well as homeland security -- coming at the same time as federal tax cuts -- was the reason for the strain. At least nine articles in the Times-Picayune from 2004 and 2005 specifically cite the cost of Iraq as a reason for the lack of hurricane- and flood-control dollars.

Newhouse News Service, in an article posted late Tuesday night at The Times-Picayune Web site, reported: "No one can say they didn't see it coming. ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."


"The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs. "


"That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million, said Army Corps of Engineers project manager Al Naomi. About $300,000 in federal money was proposed for the 2005 fiscal-year budget, and the state had agreed to match that amount. But the cost of the Iraq war forced the Bush administration to order the New Orleans district office not to begin any new studies, and the 2005 budget no longer includes the needed money, he said."

The very first responsibility of the President of the United States is to protect the citizens of this country. Because of his mismangement and bad decisions, hundreds of people, maybe thousands, are dead, without homes or jobs. I hope the American people demand some answers to the questions that are going to be asked about this tragedy.

My emphasis and here are the links:


A http://www.hurricane.lsu.edu/_in_the_news/houston.htm

All you say is true, but it's hard to celebrate when things are in such a terrible mess. Yes, he's going to bear much of the blame for New Orleans, but there are still thousands dead and who knows how much property damage. We'll all be paying for that. Americans are turning away from the Iraqi war, but hundreds more will die before someone brings our troops home. We're billions in debt, admonished for our human rights violations, holding uncharged Americans in jail without charges.... None of that is going to change any time soon. But keep on working.
News Flash:

Reliable sources say that not only was Bush responsible for the recent hurricane, but also the European plague, the Dust Bowl, the Bermuda Triangle, and quite possibly childhood leukemia.
"That second study would take about four years to complete and would cost about $4 million,

How could a "study" have helped, or hurt during this disaster?

we have a designated Hurricane evacuation route that has dead ended 35 miles north of our county and the state and Fed's have "studied" it to death, not one inch of asphalt has been laid yet millions have been spent studying how to not impact the enviroment....

why dilute your point with this spin? Get right to the point and Blame the hurricane on Bush....

Maybe had the "elected" officials in New Orleans addressed the problem at both the State and local level some of this could have beeen avoided, or Maybe had some headed the "warnings" they would have evacuated,

But why expect any one to do anything for themselves when the feds are there to bail everyone out...
Hell Lets Blame Bill CLinton for the dotcom fall!!!!!!!!!!! Lets Blame Martha Stewart for our dough not rising.......!!! Lets Blame Canada for our stupid moves at USDA..... Lets Blame Daffy Duck for our well pump breaking.....Hell I am going to blame Miss Piggy for my Haystacker breaking tonight.......


IT IS CALLED ACCOUNTABILITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ASSUME IT you will live longer :eek:
They didn't evacuate and now they're blaming everyone but themselves for their predicament. Same old story, different headline.
Cal said:
They didn't evacuate and now they're blaming everyone but themselves for their predicament. Same old story, different headline.

I hate to say it but in my opinion MOST of the people down there (as my Pappy used to say) "that were able and had enough sense AND somewhere else to go" did go. Whats left for the most part the ones that don't fit in to any of the aforementioned categories and the thugs who are robbing,raping, looting, and shooting at the rescue workers and police. I hope the brave policemen who stayed get some kind of reward for such a show of courage. I am sure that I will get chastised on here for such a statement but that in general is my opinion.
TSR said:
Whats left for the most part the ones that don't fit in to any of the aforementioned categories and the thugs who are robbing,raping, looting, and shooting at the rescue workers and police.

Just God's way of thining out the population. God helps those who help themselves.

These "people" refuse to help themselves, so IMO God gave them him his worst.
Armegeddon, not quite...but damn close
This article gives a little different perspective on the mess in New Orleans.

Race, Class, and Baloney in the Big Easy
September 2nd, 2005

It certainly didn't take long for the race baiters, class warriors, and economic determinists to heave themselves up from the flood waters that have inundated New Orleans to inform us all of the real tragedy being played out in that tortured city. Most of us think it bad enough that tens of thousands of human beings are suffering untold hardships and indignities as a result of being stranded in the nightmare of barbarism and perditious mayhem to which a once beautiful city has descended.

But for the professional victimhood groups, opportunity has come knocking. Why let an unimaginable tragedy like Katrina spoil a chance to link the tried and true canards of race and class with both the evocation of white guilt and a little Bush bashing for good measure?

This quotation from the Reverend Jesse Jackson manages the trifecta – race, class, and Bush bashing – quite nicely: "Many black people feel that their race, their property conditions and their voting patterns have been a factor in the response," Mr. Jackson said, after meeting with Louisiana officials yesterday. "I'm not saying that myself, but what's self-evident is that you have many poor people without a way out."

If he's not saying that himself, why say it in the first place except to plant the seeds of distrust and racism in the minds of his constituency?
Representative Charles Rangel tried to add a little humor to his critique. He also gets an "A+" for combining race, class, and anti-war digs at the President in the space of one sentence.

That disparity has been criticized as a "disgrace" by Charles B. Rangel, the senior Democratic congressman from New York City, who said it was made all the worse by the failure of government officials to have planned.
"I assume the president's going to say he got bad intelligence, Mr. Rangel said, adding that the danger to the levees was clear.

"I think that wherever you see poverty, whether it's in the white rural community or the black urban community, you see that the resources have been sucked up into the war and tax cuts for the rich," he said.
Rangel and Jackson are by no means alone in piggybacking criticism of rich white people on their overheated critique of the Bush Administration.

The tragedy in New Orleans is unlike any other disaster in American history, in that not only have we witnessed the almost complete and utter destruction of a major industrialized city but also political attacks on the party in power carried out with a ferocity perhaps unprecedented in its speed and bitterness following a major cataclysm.

This tactic is largely being given a free pass by the press and the American people because by invoking the race and class cards in a situation where the race and class of the people suffering the worst of the disaster is obvious, it becomes easier to posit the notion of an "essential truth" being divined from the tragedy. In short, since poor black people are suffering, ergo they must be "targeted" by white people because of their color and, given the economic determinists worldview, by the very fact that they are poor as well.

It does no good to point out that the Mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, is black himself. Not does it help to dispel this impression by saying that the city has a black Police Superintendent Edwin Compass III. And I imagine numerous questions will be put to both the Mayor and Police Superintendent at an appropriate time about their initial responses to the hurricane and its aftermath.

But the real questions are does it make any difference that those who are experiencing the worst of the devastation are poor and black and is their ordeal the result of the indifference and outright racism of white people and, by extension, conservative white people in the Bush Administration?

To even ask the questions presupposes a monstrous evil at large in America. Do white people not care if black people live or die? Anyone who suggests that the overwhelming majority of white people – conservative or not – would have such a pernicious attitude toward human life is being disingenuous. They are not being serious. Similarly, to say that the overwhelming majority of Americans could give a fig that poor people are fighting for their lives as I write this is demonstrably false, based on the fact that more than $100 million has been raised in a little more than 72 hours for the relief of these same poor black people in New Orleans and along the Gulf Coast.

Then why this over the top rhetoric? Why the wild claims by African American leaders and the anti-poverty industry that the race and class of the victims of Katrina has a direct bearing on the level of suffering being experienced by those who, through no fault of their own, were forced to stay behind in the doomed city?

Race, and to a lesser extent class, has been called the elephant in the living room in American politics and for good reason; the only people who can speak about it and not get skewered in a political sense are the self-appointed black leaders who, for better or for worse, have become the inheritors of Martin Luther King's legacy. Over the years, the Jesse Jacksons and Charlie Rangels have developed an entirely new vocabulary replete with apocalyptic rhetoric and dark, conspiratorial imagery that feeds the frustration and anger that many blacks experience by living and working in America. What makes their critiques resonate with the black community is that there is usually just enough truth about the real and palpable racism that blacks see and experience in their everyday lives to make the more outrageous claims regarding white mischief seem plausible.

The attacks by the anti-poverty crusaders take a similar tack when it comes to blaming "society" for the meager circumstances of the poor. These economic determinsts have learned to temper their language since the 1960's so that they don't quite sound like the Marxists they really are:
"We tend to think of natural disasters as somehow even-handed, as somehow random," said Martín Espada, an English professor at the University of Massachusetts and poet of a decidedly leftist political bent who is Puerto Rican. "Yet it has always been thus: poor people are in danger. That is what it means to be poor. It's dangerous to be poor. It's dangerous to be black. It's dangerous to be Latino."

It's also dangerous to make assumptions based on broad generalities. Of course the storm didn't deliberately target the poor. Therefore, the gentleman Marxist must be saying that relief efforts are inadequate, not because of the overwhelming nature of the catastrophe, but because of indifference by "the ruling class." Again, what a horrible wickedness that must be abroad in America if government actually bases relief decisions on someone's socio-economic status.

The bottom line of all of this nonsense is Bush bashing. For the past 72 hours, liberal websites have been filled with the most vile, partisan attacks on the President to date, many of them making the same claims as Jackson and Rangel. The left has sensed an opening and his firing broadsides at the Administration before the bodies floating in the flood waters have been buried. At a time when it is vitally important that Americans pull together to face up to this unprecedented disaster, the left has chosen open partisan warfare.

Bringing race and class into the national conversation about the aftermath of the hurricane is a sham. It's real purpose is to open another avenue of attack on the President using the tried and true grounds of racism to advance a political agenda. All done at the expense of the very people the professional racialists claim to be speaking for.

Rick Moran
I saw a guy from the NAACP on Fox News tonite complaining that there was a slow government response and that was because many involved were blacks- really trying to make it into a racial issue...Then he even criticized the government and media for calling them refugees- said it was a racist term :???:

I looked up refugee in Websters-"one that flees for safety"...Doesn't sound racist to me....

But the best was when he tried to insinuate to O'Reilly that the looters were not criminals - just survivors- stole all the TV's and jewelry to barter for food :roll: