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New swine flu feared to be weaponized strain

hypocritexposer

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April 25-26, 2009 -- SPECIAL BULLETIN. New swine flu feared to be weaponized strain
author: Wayne Madsen Report, posted by Styve
According to two mainstream media journalists, one in Mexico City and the other in Jakarta, who spoke to WMR on background, they are convinced that the current outbreak of a new strain of swine flu in Mexico and some parts of the United States is the result of the introduction of a human-engineered pathogen that could result in a widespread global pandemic, with potentially catastrophic consequences for domestic and international travel and commerce.

The journalists have been told by top officials of the United Nations and the World Health Organization (WHO) about the grave dangers posed by the new and deadly swine flu strain, known as A-H1N1. The flu, never before seen by scientists, has already killed up to 68 people in Mexico and has forced the cancellation of public events, including sports matches and concerts, and the closure of schools, libraries, and museums. Eight cases have been reported in Texas and California and one Texas family is already under a quarantine. Doctors are examining several students at a Queens high school in New York who displayed symptoms similar to those experienced by swine flu patients in Mexico.

Our Mexico City source said a top scientist for the United Nations, who has examined the outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa, as well as HIV/AIDS victims, concluded that H1N1 possesses certain transmission "vectors" that suggest that new flu strain has been genetically-manufactured as a military biological warfare weapon. The UN expert believes that Ebola, HIV/AIDS, and the current A-H1N1 swine flu virus are biological warfare agents.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2009/04/390770.shtml
 

hypocritexposer

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Don't worry Don, if it ever got serious the Government has made preparations. They've even got over a million coffins/vaults stockpiled in case of an emergency, they are in GA.

In 2008 Homeland Security put their 2 cents in on who should be treated and who should be left to die. I'm pretty sure it is not Religion specific, just simple triage.

The US government believes it's a possibility, why wouldn't the UN?

CHICAGO – Doctors know some patients needing lifesaving care won't get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding who to let die. Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They include the very elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely burned patients and those with severe dementia.

The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services.



In late 2007, the Bush administration issued a “directive” establishing a “National Strategy for Public Health and Medical Preparedness” based on Biodefense for the 21st Century (see PDF). HSPD 21, short for Homeland Security Presidential Directive (signing statement bypassing Congress), defines “catastrophic health event” as “any natural or manmade incident, including terrorism, that results in a number of ill or injured persons sufficient to overwhelm the capabilities of immediate local and regional emergency response and health care systems.”
 

kolanuraven

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This is pure fearmongering at it's finest.


People get the flu every year and hundreds die every yr from the flu.


The 'flu' changes every year as it's a live active virus/creature, thus why the present vacc's may or maynot work against the " flu of the season".


Common sense health procedures should prevail at all times.
 

hypocritexposer

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Why would the US government make preparations for "an emergency" of this type, if it was not a possibility?

Maybe Russia needs some better scientists, they seem to be taking this quite seriously, to at least restrict trade anyway.



Russia Suspends Mexican, Some U.S. Meat Imports on Swine Flu

By Yuriy Humber

April 26 (Bloomberg) -- Russia suspended imports of all meat from Mexico and the U.S. states of Texas, California and Kansas shipped after April 21 on concern about the spread of swine flu, the country’s veterinary watchdog said.

The suspension also affects pork from Guatemala, Honduras, the Dominican Republic, Columbia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Nicaragua, Panama, Salvador, and the U.S. states of Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Kansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Florida, the watchdog added in a statement on its Web site today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ag2C9oa6f4Ck&refer=worldwide
 

don

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keep working at that molehill and maybe you'll end up with a bigger molehill! hyperposer you reach way too far way too often to be credible.
 

hypocritexposer

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I'm not reaching at all.

Have governments made preparations for Bio-Terrorism? YES

Is Bio-Terrorism a possibility? YES or else they would not make preparations!

Can the fear-mongering be used for political reasons? YES, for trade restrictions etc.

Can a "flu" take off globally and kill millions of people? YES

Are they warning that this is serious, and to take precautions? YES

Where's the reach? Maybe on the part of the UN, who's doing the fear-mongering?

As for being credible, if they are fear-mongering, and I'm pointing it out, how does that damage my credibility?
 

TexasBred

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hypocritexposer said:
I'm not reaching at all.

Have governments made preparations for Bio-Terrorism? YES

Is Bio-Terrorism a possibility? YES or else they would not make preparations!

Can the fear-mongering be used for political reasons? YES, for trade restrictions etc.

Can a "flu" take off globally and kill millions of people? YES

Are they warning that this is serious, and to take precautions? YES

Where's the reach? Maybe on the part of the UN, who's doing the fear-mongering?

As for being credible, if they are fear-mongering, and I'm pointing it out, how does that damage my credibility?

Actually folks in the feed and grain business even have to have a bio-terriorism reports on file with gov't, etc. and plans on file in case of attack.
 

hypocritexposer

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hypocritexposer said:
I'm not reaching at all.

Have governments made preparations for Bio-Terrorism? YES

Is Bio-Terrorism a possibility? YES or else they would not make preparations!

Can the fear-mongering be used for political reasons? YES, for trade restrictions etc.

Can a "flu" take off globally and kill millions of people? YES

Are they warning that this is serious, and to take precautions? YES

Where's the reach? Maybe on the part of the UN, who's doing the fear-mongering?

As for being credible, if they are fear-mongering, and I'm pointing it out, how does that damage my credibility?

Hey Don, you better check out this thread and let us know who's credibility you should be questioning.

http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34548
 

don

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rotflmao. poser you should review all the threads of pb and your conributions. your mindset is the western world is under threat by forces of evil. travel beyond north america for a while and it might ease your paranoia. i don't understand why people like you want to continually live in fear. get a life.
 

hypocritexposer

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don said:
rotflmao. poser you should review all the threads of pb and your conributions. your mindset is the western world is under threat by forces of evil. travel beyond north america for a while and it might ease your paranoia. i don't understand why people like you want to continually live in fear. get a life.

I'm not fearing anything. Is the Western world under threat from forces of Evil?

Only you can judge that, by whether you think it is evil or not.

Whether you believe them to be evil or not, does not change the fact that the threats are present.
 

MsSage

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The 'flu' changes every year as it's a live active virus/creature, thus why the present vacc's may or maynot work against the " flu of the season".
This is MORE than the "flu" changing. It had alot of help from someone. Human flu merged with swine flu and bird flu does not happen by chance.
One day yall will wake up. Is this the end of the world? naww but it is bigger than the normal flu.
 

kolanuraven

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MsSage said:
The 'flu' changes every year as it's a live active virus/creature, thus why the present vacc's may or maynot work against the " flu of the season".
This is MORE than the "flu" changing. It had alot of help from someone. Human flu merged with swine flu and bird flu does not happen by chance.
One day yall will wake up. Is this the end of the world? naww but it is bigger than the normal flu.


Is that a tinfoil hat on your avatar???? :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

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kolanuraven said:
MsSage said:
The 'flu' changes every year as it's a live active virus/creature, thus why the present vacc's may or maynot work against the " flu of the season".
This is MORE than the "flu" changing. It had alot of help from someone. Human flu merged with swine flu and bird flu does not happen by chance.
One day yall will wake up. Is this the end of the world? naww but it is bigger than the normal flu.


Is that a tinfoil hat on your avatar???? :roll:

Especially when it is a strain that is not present in any of the Americas! I guess it is now!
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
MsSage said:
The 'flu' changes every year as it's a live active virus/creature, thus why the present vacc's may or maynot work against the " flu of the season".
This is MORE than the "flu" changing. It had alot of help from someone. Human flu merged with swine flu and bird flu does not happen by chance.
One day yall will wake up. Is this the end of the world? naww but it is bigger than the normal flu.


Is that a tinfoil hat on your avatar???? :roll:

Kola viruses have such high mutation and reproductive rates, they can adapt to changing environments quite well and since the only way they can reproduce is by infecting a cell they must be able to evolve faster the their hosts cells. If not, then the host cells would adapt/evolve to where a virus would no longer be able to infect.

The virus must always stay ahead of the host in the evolution game in order to survive and they are extremely good at it.
 

kolanuraven

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TexasBred said:
kolanuraven said:
MsSage said:
This is MORE than the "flu" changing. It had alot of help from someone. Human flu merged with swine flu and bird flu does not happen by chance.
One day yall will wake up. Is this the end of the world? naww but it is bigger than the normal flu.


Is that a tinfoil hat on your avatar???? :roll:

Kola viruses have such high mutation and reproductive rates, they can adapt to changing environments quite well and since the only way they can reproduce is by infecting a cell they must be able to evolve faster the their hosts cells. If not, then the host cells would adapt/evolve to where a virus would no longer be able to infect.

The virus must always stay ahead of the host in the evolution game in order to survive and they are extremely good at it.


That's exactly what I said
 

hypocritexposer

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The 1918 flu for instances was an example. As the population increases and more people are crammed into spaces with animals and global travel has become possible, there are more zoonotic diseases.

Nothing to worry about, this has all happened before.

The hysteria and paranoia seems to have hit epic proportions on PB in the last few weeks.

And the administration is doing all it can to alleviate any fears! anything they are doing at this point is dependent on Bush Policies!

At Sunday afternoon's White House press briefing on the administration's efforts to combat and control a potential swine flu outbreak, press secretary Robert Gibbs was joined by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, deputy national security adviser John Brennan, and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acting director Dr. Richard Besser.

Noticeably absent on stage was a fully confirmed federal health care official: There was no health and human services secretary (Kathleen Sebelius could be confirmed as early as tomorrow), no surgeon general (no new candidate has emerged since Dr. Sanjay Gupta dropped out) and no fully confirmed director of CDC (though Besser deftly handled a series of morning show interviews earlier today).
 

kolanuraven

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hypocritexposer said:
The 1918 flu for instances was an example. As the population increases and more people are crammed into spaces with animals and global travel has become possible, there are more zoonotic diseases.

Nothing to worry about, this has all happened before.

The hysteria and paranoia seems to have hit epic proportions on PB in the last few weeks.

And the administration is doing all it can to alleviate any fears!

At Sunday afternoon's White House press briefing on the administration's efforts to combat and control a potential swine flu outbreak, press secretary Robert Gibbs was joined by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, deputy national security adviser John Brennan, and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acting director Dr. Richard Besser.

Noticeably absent on stage was a fully confirmed federal health care official: There was no health and human services secretary (Kathleen Sebelius could be confirmed as early as tomorrow), no surgeon general (no new candidate has emerged since Dr. Sanjay Gupta dropped out) and no fully confirmed director of CDC (though Besser deftly handled a series of morning show interviews earlier today).



Where was all this fit pitchin in yrs past when around 30,000 people die EVERY YEAR from ' flu'????
 

hypocritexposer

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Don't worry Kola, that same number will still die from the "flu", this will add to the numbers.

It is a new strain! And with a little competence the government will be able to contain it.

Meanwhile back at the WH, they are scaring the heck out of people and playing with the new WH dog, BO.

Don't forget there are only two labs in the world capable of testing these "new strains', one in Winnipeg, one in Atlanta. One was onto this a week earlier than the other.

Winnipeg this morning said it will take 6 months to create a vaccine.
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
By the way look up Z-O-O-N-O-T-I-C diseases. The 1918 flu for instances was an example. As the population increases and more people are crammed into spaces with animals and global travel has become possible, there are more zoonotic diseases.

vCJD is another example of a zoonotic disease.

There have been viruses that jump species for centuries and eons, they just infect a larger number of people when it is possible for a sick person in Mexico to get on a plane and travel to Kansas or a co-ed in Kansas to vacation in Acapulco.


well I looked up the 1918 flu...

Recently the (1918 flu) virus has been reconstructed from the tissue of a dead soldier and is now being genetically characterized.

The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly Influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1.

scary similarities.. maybe they should have not messed with it...

The WHO have increased the level pandemic alert to phases 4 on a 6 point scale. Phase 4 indicates a "significant increase in risk of pandemic".
 
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