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I have seen several remarks about English healthcare and the Canadian healthcare. I took the opprutunity to ask an English person their take on their health care. Her is the answer.
That's OK, I didn't mind saying what I did on the open thread as it may help others to see a bit of how it works. I must say having it so as you can just walk into a Hospital A&E (ER) and not have to worry as to whether your insurance covers you for them is a good feeling, and to know you will get the best treatment. If that particular hospital doesn't have the facilities to deal with your case, when you are stabilized and ready for transfer you will be sent by Ambulance to one that does. Usually with a Dr on tow to.
We also have an Air Ambulance Service, a Helicopter, will come with a Dr and three Paramedics to a scene of an accident where it is awkward for a normal ambulance to get to, or the patient has a back or neck injury and road travel will damage it more, they will be taken to the nearest specialist hospital.
If there is anything else you wish to know don't hesitate to ask, and I will try to help, where I can.
 

alice

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My husband is full of horror stories he's heard about health care in England.

Doesn't sound near as dire as what we are constantly led to believe, does it...

Alice
 
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hurleyjd said:
I have seen several remarks about English healthcare and the Canadian healthcare. I took the opprutunity to ask an English person their take on their health care. Her is the answer.
That's OK, I didn't mind saying what I did on the open thread as it may help others to see a bit of how it works. I must say having it so as you can just walk into a Hospital A&E (ER) and not have to worry as to whether your insurance covers you for them is a good feeling, and to know you will get the best treatment. If that particular hospital doesn't have the facilities to deal with your case, when you are stabilized and ready for transfer you will be sent by Ambulance to one that does. Usually with a Dr on tow to.
We also have an Air Ambulance Service, a Helicopter, will come with a Dr and three Paramedics to a scene of an accident where it is awkward for a normal ambulance to get to, or the patient has a back or neck injury and road travel will damage it more, they will be taken to the nearest specialist hospital.
If there is anything else you wish to know don't hesitate to ask, and I will try to help, where I can.

That response doesn't surprise me-- as I listened to old Bernie Sanders- the Independent Senator from Vermont say about the same thing... I heard so many here that kept echoing how it was so bad...But then when you look at the World Health Organizations rankings of health care- the UK's is rated 20 countries ABOVE the USA (US-37th in the world, UK -18th in the world)....

I think Tams post yesterday points out much of the reason for differing sides- the perspective on what you expect (as some people aren't happy with anything) since some of the Canadian posters that were run off- and the Canadians I have talked to (including a Regina Doctor) have expressed satisfaction with the Canadian insurance and Health Care--- and regional/area issues as I've seen some US Metropolitan Hospitals that you couldn't get treatment in for hours- and if you ended up hospitalized were stacked on a bed in the hallways....
 

MsSage

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Oldtimer said:
hurleyjd said:
I have seen several remarks about English healthcare and the Canadian healthcare. I took the opprutunity to ask an English person their take on their health care. Her is the answer.
That's OK, I didn't mind saying what I did on the open thread as it may help others to see a bit of how it works. I must say having it so as you can just walk into a Hospital A&E (ER) and not have to worry as to whether your insurance covers you for them is a good feeling, and to know you will get the best treatment. If that particular hospital doesn't have the facilities to deal with your case, when you are stabilized and ready for transfer you will be sent by Ambulance to one that does. Usually with a Dr on tow to.
We also have an Air Ambulance Service, a Helicopter, will come with a Dr and three Paramedics to a scene of an accident where it is awkward for a normal ambulance to get to, or the patient has a back or neck injury and road travel will damage it more, they will be taken to the nearest specialist hospital.
If there is anything else you wish to know don't hesitate to ask, and I will try to help, where I can.

That response doesn't surprise me-- as I listened to old Bernie Sanders- the Independent Senator from Vermont say about the same thing... I heard so many here that kept echoing how it was so bad...But then when you look at the World Health Organizations rankings of health care- the UK's is rated 20 countries ABOVE the USA (US-37th in the world, UK -18th in the world)....

I think Tams post yesterday points out much of the reason for differing sides- the perspective on what you expect (as some people aren't happy with anything) since some of the Canadian posters that were run off- and the Canadians I have talked to (including a Regina Doctor) have expressed satisfaction with the Canadian insurance and Health Care--- and regional/area issues as I've seen some US Metropolitan Hospitals that you couldn't get treatment in for hours- and if you ended up hospitalized were stacked on a bed in the hallways....
You know what OT I am at the end of my rope with you and your personal attacks. GET OVER YOURSELF. You and not the end all to be all...you DONT know everything or everyone and know everything about everything.....As for posters leaving that is their choice...if they cant help solve the problem of the BS and personal attacks then I am sorry they are gone BUT GOOD BYE.
I have YET to see a post from you that did NOT have atleast one attack on someone......
Your innuendos and snid comments are not helping any of the situation only enflaming it MORE.
You need to remember if you aint got nothing NICE to say DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.
You need to find something that you can find some joy in and get over the anger and hatred you are full of.
 
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MsSage said:
Oldtimer said:
hurleyjd said:
I have seen several remarks about English healthcare and the Canadian healthcare. I took the opprutunity to ask an English person their take on their health care. Her is the answer.

That response doesn't surprise me-- as I listened to old Bernie Sanders- the Independent Senator from Vermont say about the same thing... I heard so many here that kept echoing how it was so bad...But then when you look at the World Health Organizations rankings of health care- the UK's is rated 20 countries ABOVE the USA (US-37th in the world, UK -18th in the world)....

I think Tams post yesterday points out much of the reason for differing sides- the perspective on what you expect (as some people aren't happy with anything) since some of the Canadian posters that were run off- and the Canadians I have talked to (including a Regina Doctor) have expressed satisfaction with the Canadian insurance and Health Care--- and regional/area issues as I've seen some US Metropolitan Hospitals that you couldn't get treatment in for hours- and if you ended up hospitalized were stacked on a bed in the hallways....
You know what OT I am at the end of my rope with you and your personal attacks. GET OVER YOURSELF. You and not the end all to be all...you DONT know everything or everyone and know everything about everything.....As for posters leaving that is their choice...if they cant help solve the problem of the BS and personal attacks then I am sorry they are gone BUT GOOD BYE.
I have YET to see a post from you that did NOT have atleast one attack on someone......
Your innuendos and snid comments are not helping any of the situation only enflaming it MORE.
You need to remember if you aint got nothing NICE to say DONT SAY ANYTHING AT ALL.
You need to find something that you can find some joy in and get over the anger and hatred you are full of.

Who did I attack Sage?
 

Steve

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hurleyjd said:
I have seen several remarks about English healthcare and the Canadian healthcare. I took the opprutunity to ask an English person their take on their health care. Her is the answer.
That's OK, I didn't mind saying what I did on the open thread as it may help others to see a bit of how it works. I must say having it so as you can just walk into a Hospital A&E (ER) and not have to worry as to whether your insurance covers you for them is a good feeling, and to know you will get the best treatment. If that particular hospital doesn't have the facilities to deal with your case, when you are stabilized and ready for transfer you will be sent by Ambulance to one that does. Usually with a Dr on tow to.
We also have an Air Ambulance Service, a Helicopter, will come with a Dr and three Paramedics to a scene of an accident where it is awkward for a normal ambulance to get to, or the patient has a back or neck injury and road travel will damage it more, they will be taken to the nearest specialist hospital.
If there is anything else you wish to know don't hesitate to ask, and I will try to help, where I can.

my wife is Scottish and her take is a bit more critical. as she has experienced both the British system and ours...

her mother many years back had a mild heart attack.. she needed a bypass... she went on a waiting list... then the "excuses started".. the delays.. and then after seven years of her suffering.. we made arrangements and had her brought over here.. seven days later she was up and around again...

ten years later.. after being ill again, she was diagnosed with colon / pancreatic cancer... a year later she passed away in agony with little other then excuses, she didn't receive much medical treatment until the end when she was hospitalized.. and then it was only pain management..

almost a year after her passing, my wife was diagnosed with colon cancer.. seven years later she has now been cancer free for five years.

the two years of chemo and hospitalizations maxed out our coverage... but she was never refused treatment nor care.. and eventually the bills were all paid.

when the horror stories hit home.. we will all understand the agony of rationing health care.. it is just as destructive as not havering care..
 
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Steve said:
hurleyjd said:
I have seen several remarks about English healthcare and the Canadian healthcare. I took the opprutunity to ask an English person their take on their health care. Her is the answer.
That's OK, I didn't mind saying what I did on the open thread as it may help others to see a bit of how it works. I must say having it so as you can just walk into a Hospital A&E (ER) and not have to worry as to whether your insurance covers you for them is a good feeling, and to know you will get the best treatment. If that particular hospital doesn't have the facilities to deal with your case, when you are stabilized and ready for transfer you will be sent by Ambulance to one that does. Usually with a Dr on tow to.
We also have an Air Ambulance Service, a Helicopter, will come with a Dr and three Paramedics to a scene of an accident where it is awkward for a normal ambulance to get to, or the patient has a back or neck injury and road travel will damage it more, they will be taken to the nearest specialist hospital.
If there is anything else you wish to know don't hesitate to ask, and I will try to help, where I can.

my wife is Scottish and her take is a bit more critical. as she has experienced both the British system and ours...

her mother many years back had a mild heart attack.. she needed a bypass... she went on a waiting list... then the "excuses started".. the delays.. and then after seven years of her suffering.. we made arrangements and had her brought over here.. seven days later she was up and around again...

ten years later.. after being ill again, she was diagnosed with colon / pancreatic cancer... a year later she passed away in agony with little other then excuses, she didn't receive much medical treatment until the end when she was hospitalized.. and then it was only pain management..

almost a year after her passing, my wife was diagnosed with colon cancer.. seven years later she has now been cancer free for five years.

the two years of chemo and hospitalizations maxed out our coverage... but she was never refused treatment nor care.. and eventually the bills were all paid.

when the horror stories hit home.. we will all understand the agony of rationing health care.. it is just as destructive as not havering care..
Steve the same thing happens here. My wifes Aunt called last week had been pain for a week or so. Her doctor did the CT scan found nothing. Pain pills prescribed. She called here complaining. I told her to call an ambulance and go to the emergency room. They found kidney stones that was causing the pain. A CT scan found them. They really grew within a weeks time. The first CT scan did not show anything the question should be why. Will the first doctor learn from this, will he call the CT scan technician and ask what went wrong that you did find the problem with my patient. Will we get any thing any better? A question I cannot answer. What kind of insurance do you have now. Does your employer furnish it. Are you self insured. If you are employed now and you should lose your job then what will they insure your wife with her history of cancer. Could be the new health plan being is offered would be your only hope. I am sure that if healthcare is rationed then some of the insurance companies will come up with a policy to cover you and the shortcomings. Medicare does not pay every thing. But a supplement can be bought to pay more. Your choice. Could be we expect to much out of healthcare insurance after all health insurance is only about 59 years old. Most happened after WW II. Before then nothing zilich.
 

Sandhusker

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reader (the Second) said:
Sandhusker said:
When has this goverment managed anything better than the private sector?

Are you an anarchist?

I believe in certain things being the responsibility of the Federal and state governments, otherwise what is the purpose.


ROADS, SCHOOLS, REGULATION TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS, HEALTHCARE, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, LAW ENFORCEMENT ...

This is a good topic to talk about. What would you privatize? And if you privatized and it was all about making a buck, who would regulate to ensure the welfare of the citizens.

What would you spend taxes on if not these basic needs and ensuring that we have good healthcare, schools, infrastructure, and that businesses are not cheating their customers? What do you want a private army and private police force? Do you want good schools only in neighborhoods where the parents kick in money to subsidize the schools heavily? Do you want for-profit highways?

No, I'm not an archist, I'm a Constitutionalist. Maybe you believe the goverment should be responsible for healthcare, but I challenge you to find anything in the Constitution that would suggest that.
 

Steve

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Steve the same thing happens here. My wifes Aunt called last week had been pain for a week or so. Her doctor did the CT scan found nothing. Pain pills prescribed. She called here complaining. I told her to call an ambulance and go to the emergency room. They found kidney stones that was causing the pain. A CT scan found them. They really grew within a weeks time. The first CT scan did not show anything the question should be why. Will the first doctor learn from this, will he call the CT scan technician and ask what went wrong that you did find the problem with my patient. Will we get any thing any better?

thats' not rationing.. she had access to a CT scan.. even a second scan..

couple that with rationing and you are starting to get the picture of how British rationed health is..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/heal-our-hospitals/5066511/Stroke-patients-forced-to-wait-48-hours-too-long-for-scans-at-NHS-hospital.html
 

MsSage

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Do you want for-profit highways
You mean like toll roads. You mean like the fuel tax Semi trucks pay every 1/4 for the right to drive on roads? That is above the amount they pay at the pump and based on how many miles they drive. You mean like the $50 toll a truck pays as compared to $.75 a car?

Can any of yall tell me what other business is so regulated as to hours a worker can work? Dont tell me they can endanger other people....What about the Dr who is operating for over 14 hours non stop does anyone say ooppss you need to take a break, your time is up.

Government regulation has gotten so out of touch and such a knee jerk response. It is now a hinderance rather than the protection is was suppose to be.
We need to get back to where the government was not a social providor but only military , highways, and yes I will say widows and orphans...even that could be shifted back onto the church or other groups. IF our taxes were cut I know my giving would increase as well as many others would as well.
 

Steve

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What kind of insurance do you have now. Does your employer furnish it. Are you self insured. If you are employed now and you should lose your job then what will they insure your wife with her history of cancer. Could be the new health plan being is offered would be your only hope. I am sure that if healthcare is rationed then some of the insurance companies will come up with a policy to cover you and the shortcomings. Medicare does not pay every thing. But a supplement can be bought to pay more. Your choice. Could be we expect to much out of healthcare insurance after all health insurance is only about 59 years old. Most happened after WW II. Before then nothing zilich.

I have "free for life" coverage.. guaranteed by the government.. for military service..

it ain't free.. but it is well worth the sacrifice I gave to earn it...

it is available to every American citizen for the same price I paid..

and I don't think it was available prior to WW1 , but has been now for awhile..
 
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Steve said:
What kind of insurance do you have now. Does your employer furnish it. Are you self insured. If you are employed now and you should lose your job then what will they insure your wife with her history of cancer. Could be the new health plan being is offered would be your only hope. I am sure that if healthcare is rationed then some of the insurance companies will come up with a policy to cover you and the shortcomings. Medicare does not pay every thing. But a supplement can be bought to pay more. Your choice. Could be we expect to much out of healthcare insurance after all health insurance is only about 59 years old. Most happened after WW II. Before then nothing zilich.

I have "free for life" coverage.. guaranteed by the government.. for military service..

it ain't free.. but it is well worth the sacrifice I gave to earn it...

it is available to every American citizen for the same price I paid..

and I don't think it was available prior to WW1 , but has been now for awhile..

Good let us have a healthcare plan for everyone as good as yours guarnteed by the government. I do not care if the for profit insurers go out of business they can find a job somewhere else as all the other unemployed people are having to do.
 
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Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
Sandhusker said:
When has this goverment managed anything better than the private sector?

Are you an anarchist?

I believe in certain things being the responsibility of the Federal and state governments, otherwise what is the purpose.


ROADS, SCHOOLS, REGULATION TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS, HEALTHCARE, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, LAW ENFORCEMENT ...

This is a good topic to talk about. What would you privatize? And if you privatized and it was all about making a buck, who would regulate to ensure the welfare of the citizens.

What would you spend taxes on if not these basic needs and ensuring that we have good healthcare, schools, infrastructure, and that businesses are not cheating their customers? What do you want a private army and private police force? Do you want good schools only in neighborhoods where the parents kick in money to subsidize the schools heavily? Do you want for-profit highways?

No, I'm not an archist, I'm a Constitutionalist. Maybe you believe the goverment should be responsible for healthcare, but I challenge you to find anything in the Constitution that would suggest that.

Huskey Steve told us what kind of healthcare he has, I have medicare the lowest one that they sell. I do not buy the prescription part of it. You need to tell us what kind of insurance you have.
 

alice

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hurleyjd said:
Steve said:
What kind of insurance do you have now. Does your employer furnish it. Are you self insured. If you are employed now and you should lose your job then what will they insure your wife with her history of cancer. Could be the new health plan being is offered would be your only hope. I am sure that if healthcare is rationed then some of the insurance companies will come up with a policy to cover you and the shortcomings. Medicare does not pay every thing. But a supplement can be bought to pay more. Your choice. Could be we expect to much out of healthcare insurance after all health insurance is only about 59 years old. Most happened after WW II. Before then nothing zilich.

I have "free for life" coverage.. guaranteed by the government.. for military service..

it ain't free.. but it is well worth the sacrifice I gave to earn it...

it is available to every American citizen for the same price I paid..

and I don't think it was available prior to WW1 , but has been now for awhile..

Good let us have a healthcare plan for everyone as good as yours guarnteed by the government. I do not care if the for profit insurers go out of business they can find a job somewhere else as all the other unemployed people are having to do.

For 18 years my daughter and I had the benefit of being able to be treated at Carswell AFB. And, we also what was then called Champus...military health insurance. It was great...especially used in conjunction with employer health insurance. Champus picked up what our employer health insurance didn't.

Alice
 

Sandhusker

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hurleyjd said:
Sandhusker said:
reader (the Second) said:
Are you an anarchist?

I believe in certain things being the responsibility of the Federal and state governments, otherwise what is the purpose.


ROADS, SCHOOLS, REGULATION TO PROTECT ITS CITIZENS, HEALTHCARE, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, LAW ENFORCEMENT ...

This is a good topic to talk about. What would you privatize? And if you privatized and it was all about making a buck, who would regulate to ensure the welfare of the citizens.

What would you spend taxes on if not these basic needs and ensuring that we have good healthcare, schools, infrastructure, and that businesses are not cheating their customers? What do you want a private army and private police force? Do you want good schools only in neighborhoods where the parents kick in money to subsidize the schools heavily? Do you want for-profit highways?

No, I'm not an archist, I'm a Constitutionalist. Maybe you believe the goverment should be responsible for healthcare, but I challenge you to find anything in the Constitution that would suggest that.

Huskey Steve told us what kind of healthcare he has, I have medicare the lowest one that they sell. I do not buy the prescription part of it. You need to tell us what kind of insurance you have.

I have insurance through my employer. It is $500 per person deducatable, $2500 total deductable, and I pay $460/mo , or roughly 60%, my employer 40%. Most drugs are $10 copay.
 

Steve

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hurleyjd said:
Steve said:
What kind of insurance do you have now. Does your employer furnish it. Are you self insured. If you are employed now and you should lose your job then what will they insure your wife with her history of cancer. Could be the new health plan being is offered would be your only hope. I am sure that if healthcare is rationed then some of the insurance companies will come up with a policy to cover you and the shortcomings. Medicare does not pay every thing. But a supplement can be bought to pay more. Your choice. Could be we expect to much out of healthcare insurance after all health insurance is only about 59 years old. Most happened after WW II. Before then nothing zilich.

I have "free for life" coverage.. guaranteed by the government.. for military service..

it ain't free.. but it is well worth the sacrifice I gave to earn it...

it is available to every American citizen for the same price I paid..

and I don't think it was available prior to WW1 , but has been now for awhile..

Good let us have a healthcare plan for everyone as good as yours guarnteed by the government. I do not care if the for profit insurers go out of business they can find a job somewhere else as all the other unemployed people are having to do.


feel free... its available to all

http://www.goarmy.com/#/?marquee=vw&channel=careers
 

Steve

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alice said:
hurleyjd said:
Steve said:
I have "free for life" coverage.. guaranteed by the government.. for military service..

it ain't free.. but it is well worth the sacrifice I gave to earn it...

it is available to every American citizen for the same price I paid..

and I don't think it was available prior to WW1 , but has been now for awhile..

Good let us have a healthcare plan for everyone as good as yours guarnteed by the government. I do not care if the for profit insurers go out of business they can find a job somewhere else as all the other unemployed people are having to do.

For 18 years my daughter and I had the benefit of being able to be treated at Carswell AFB. And, we also what was then called Champus...military health insurance. It was great...especially used in conjunction with employer health insurance. Champus picked up what our employer health insurance didn't.

Alice

I am not saying it is not great.. but it wasn't free either,...

added in with the deductibles, copay and caps.. and it can and has cost us well over $6000 a year..
 
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