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New Yorkers Arrested for Terrorist Plot

hypocritexposer

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Are people getting the hint? They do not care if Obama is President or not, they still want to kill us!

They want world domination of their Religion, not more, nothing less.

Appeasment will not work!
 

Mike

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The FBI said the Muslim suspects were angry and full of hate for America.

"Hatred of the West. The leader of the group, James Cromitie was concerned about deaths at the hands of the U.S. military in Afghanistan," and also expressed anti-Jewish sentiment, Joseph Demarest the head of the New York FBI said.

Wonder if they are/were "Black Panthers"?

I'll bet they are followers/admirers of Louis Farrakahn........................
 

hypocritexposer

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They mustn't have got their Islamic names yet.

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The four men, identified as James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Laguerre Payen, were arrested after buying inactive missiles and inert explosives in a sting operation run by the FBI and other agencies, the complaint said.
 

aplusmnt

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reader (the Second) said:
Read the article. The leader's parents lived in Afghanistan I believe it says. Sounds like the Virginia 11 who were a mixture of many ethnic backgrounds but all were converts to Islam.

Kind of peculiar isn't it that religious converts turn violent!

Usually when someone finds religion they go through a period of good, not automatically turn to evil things.

Rarely will you see a newly baptized Christian out plotting to kill people the next day due to his newly found religion!
 

TexasBred

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aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
Read the article. The leader's parents lived in Afghanistan I believe it says. Sounds like the Virginia 11 who were a mixture of many ethnic backgrounds but all were converts to Islam.

Kind of peculiar isn't it that religious converts turn violent!
Usually when someone finds religion they go through a period of good, not automatically turn to evil things.

Rarely will you see a newly baptized Christian out plotting to kill people the next day due to his newly found religion!

Well the key word in the Koran is "infidel". Anyone who is not of the Islamic faith is an infidel and "fair game" and it is the muslim's duty to kill them if they will not convert.
 

Mike

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TexasBred said:
aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
Read the article. The leader's parents lived in Afghanistan I believe it says. Sounds like the Virginia 11 who were a mixture of many ethnic backgrounds but all were converts to Islam.

Kind of peculiar isn't it that religious converts turn violent!
Usually when someone finds religion they go through a period of good, not automatically turn to evil things.

Rarely will you see a newly baptized Christian out plotting to kill people the next day due to his newly found religion!

Well the key word in the Koran is "infidel". Anyone who is not of the Islamic faith is an infidel and "fair game" and it is the muslim's duty to kill them if they will not convert.

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

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hypocritexposer

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aplusmnt said:
reader (the Second) said:
Read the article. The leader's parents lived in Afghanistan I believe it says. Sounds like the Virginia 11 who were a mixture of many ethnic backgrounds but all were converts to Islam.

Kind of peculiar isn't it that religious converts turn violent!

Usually when someone finds religion they go through a period of good, not automatically turn to evil things.

Rarely will you see a newly baptized Christian out plotting to kill people the next day due to his newly found religion!

Where are these types being indoctrinated? That would be my question.
 

hypocritexposer

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How is it these guys had WMD, but Iraq didn't? In both your articles yu posted Reader, WMD are mentioned.

The weapons they had were provided by the uncover FBI team, and they brought up the Radical Islamist as the source of the weapons. The FBI took 12 months trying to get these "terrorists" to take delivery of the weapons. Were they trying to acquire them on their own?

Without the FBI involvment there would have been no plot, whatsoever.

Something smells fishy with this one.

Each man is charged with one count of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States, which carries a maximum penalty of life in prison, and one count of conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles, which also carries a maximum penalty of life in prison.
 

hypocritexposer

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I forgot to add that Radical Islam is recruiting terrorists in US prisons.

You and your conspiracy theories. Islam is the religion of peace.

Look at Rev. Wright. He would never preach hate for America. He did his Masters in Islamic studies.

I guess you missed the video I posted months ago about the "Third Jihad"

What's really scary is going back and researching the connections between these groups, that are doing their work at the prisons, and Obama's past financing and support.
 

Steve

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reader (the Second) said:
I forgot to add that Radical Islam is recruiting terrorists in US prisons. :mad:

Thursday, May 21, 2009

4 arrested in NY terror plot had ambition, hatred and little else


By MICHAEL HILL and JIM FITZGERALD
The Associated Press
NEWBURGH, N.Y. — The four men were ex-convicts who envisioned themselves as holy warriors, ambitious enough to concoct a plot to blow up synagogues and military planes, authorities said.

But they were amateurs every step of the way. They had trouble finding guns and bought cameras at Wal-Mart to photograph their targets. One was a convicted purse snatcher; another smoked marijuana the day the plot was to be carried out.

Muslims fueled by hatred of America and Jews, they spent months scouting targets and securing what they thought was a surface-to-air missile system and powerful explosives — all under the watch of an FBI informant.

The four were arrested late Wednesday outside a synagogue in the Bronx, one in a long line of headline-making homegrown terror plots since 9-11 that never came close to reality because the FBI inserted itself in the earliest stages.

The bombs they planted outside two synagogues Wednesday were useless, packed with inert explosives that had been supplied by the FBI instead of the Pakistani terrorist group they had pledged to support, according to a criminal complaint.

Still, officials see the case as a vivid reminder of risks the U.S. faces from homegrown terrorists. "It’s hard to envision a more chilling plot," Assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Snyder said. "These are extremely violent men."

James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Laguerre Payen were calm as they appeared in court Thursday, with their hands shackled, to answer charges of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States and conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles. They did not enter pleas and were held without bail; they face life in prison if convicted.

Besides destroying the two synagogues in the heavily Jewish Riverdale section of the Bronx, they intended to shoot down planes at the Air National Guard base in Newburgh, about 50 miles north of New York City, prosecutors said.

Relatives said the defendants were down-on-their-luck men who worked at places like Wal-Mart, a landscaping company and a warehouse when they weren’t behind bars. Payen’s lawyer said he was "intellectually challenged" and on medication for schizophrenia. Marilyn Reader said he has "a very low borderline" IQ.

New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said he believes that the defendants knew one another from their time behind bars. Relatives said Payen, David Williams and Onta Williams were introduced to Islam in prison.

The suspects James Cromitie, 55

He was convicted in 1987 of misdemeanor drug possession; 12 later arrests were for drug offenses that led to felony convictions in 1989, 1990 and 1992, according to New York parole department spokeswoman Heather Groll.

David Williams, 28

He was released from prison in April 2005 after doing just less than a year on minor drug and weapons charges. He violated parole in August 2005 and went back to prison until December that year, when he was released on parole in Brooklyn.

Onta Williams, 32

He served about three months in state prison on drug charges in Orange County. He was released to federal custody in August 2003, convicted of federal drug charges and sentenced to 70 months in federal prison. It is unclear when he was released.

Laguerre Payen, 27

State records show that the Haiti native was released on parole in August 2005 after serving just over a year in prison for hitting two people with pellets fired from a BB gun and snatching purses from two women in Rockland County.

and Obama is going to add a few hundred recruiters to help them out...
 

Steve

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Laguerre Payen, 27

State records show that the Haiti native was released on parole in August 2005 after serving just over a year in prison for hitting two people with pellets fired from a BB gun and snatching purses from two women in Rockland County.

Co-defendant Laguerre Payen, 27, cut an even sorrier sight.

The Haitian immigrant appeared to have trouble understanding the proceedings and told the judge in a barely audible voice that he was on anti-depressant medication.

Payen said he had dropped out of school one year before graduation.

Asked if he could read, he answered: "No." Could he write? "No."

His lawyer, Marilyn Reader, told the court that Payen "is intellectually challenged" and suffers "from a form of schizophrenia."

maybe someone could explain why this "Haitian immigrant" wasn't deported?
 

hypocritexposer

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This story is starting to remind me of the last "mentally challenged" domestic terrorists that the FBI convinced to take delivery of "weapons of mass destruction"

Sounds like entrapment.
 

Steve

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hypocritexposer said:
This story is starting to remind me of the last "mentally challenged" domestic terrorists that the FBI convinced to take delivery of "weapons of mass destruction"

Sounds like entrapment.

maybe the Obama FBI is being a little overdramatic to make Obama look tough on national security ?

seems like most of the "Muslims fueled by hatred of America and Jews" aren't the sharpest crayons in the box..
 

hypocritexposer

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May 24, 2009
FBI ‘lured dimwits’ into terror plot
The arrest of petty crooks over a plan to target Jews has put the use of sting operations under fire

“This whole operation was a foolish waste of time and money,” claimed Terence Kindlon, a defence lawyer who represented the last terror suspect to be tried in New York state. “It is almost as if the FBI cooked up the plot and found four idiots to install as defendants.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350389.ece
 

hypocritexposer

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The FBI agent with a high-profile role in yesterday’s arrests of four men for plotting a terror attack in New York has a pretty interesting — and controversial — track record.

Special Agent Robert Fuller, whose name appears at the top of the federal criminal complaint in the case, had a hand in the FBI’s failure to nab two of the 9/11 hijackers, had one of his informants set himself on fire in front of the White House, and was involved in misidentifying a Canadian man as a terrorist leading to his secret arrest and torture — a case that is now the subject of a major lawsuit.
 
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The Fuller connection is interesting....Many of the illegal actions of the Bush crew are appearing thru this Arar lawsuit...

I hope MsSage reads this about how people were grabbed off US streets- thrown into secret prisons- tortured- all without any warrant or judicial action- only acting upon the designation of Bush/Cheney that they were terrorists....

In 2009, Fuller testified against Omar Khadr, recounting that he had traveled to Bagram Airbase on October 7, 2002 and showed the Canadian teenager a black-and-white photograph of Maher Arar, a Canadian who had been detained at a New York airport following a family vacation, and demanded to know if he recognised him. Khadr initially stated that he did not recognise Arar, but when further pressured by Fuller, confessed he had seen him at a Kabul safehouse run by Abu Musab al-Suri or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The youth's confession led to Arar's extraordinary rendition to Syria the following day, where he was tortured extensively for nearly a year before being returned to Canada, and suing both the Canadian and American governments. Fuller's testimony stirred controversy, since a Royal Commission studied the case and cleared Arar of all the American allegations.
 

hypocritexposer

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Another Bush policy that will be expanded by the Obama administration to further restrict your rights as US citizens. CHANGE indeed.

“He was almost ruminating over the need for statutory change to the laws so that we can deal with individuals who we can’t charge and detain,” one participant said. “We’ve known this is on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning.”

Here's how Rachel Maddow sees it, isn't she a staunch Obama supporter? She's states that Bush never even thought of doing what Obama says he's going to do. She compares 2 speeches, one "a ballad to the Constitution" and the other that promises "something never has never been attempted in American history."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jshogbjtYs&feature=related
 
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