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Anonymous

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At the recent Diamond D angus sale one of the top in demand bloodlines were cattle that were bred to or sired by PINEBANK WAIGROUP 41/97- a New Zealand bull- which I understand was bred for function, fleshing and muscling, and ability to perform on grass...In talking to some local ranchers at the sale- it sounds like they were impressed...

At the recent Supreme Female sale in Billings- a bred heifer owned by J Bob Hould, by this bull topped the sale and brought $6750....Really looks like he is the hot item amongst "grassfed" breeders....

Whats your thoughts on this bull?...

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/images/NZAA/119900974197_L.jpg

http://www.anguspinebank.co.nz/semen-for-sale.html
 

Big Muddy rancher

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It was an article about Pinebank angus that sparked the thread 'Angus" that we were talking about earlier.

The fellow was talking about these cattle and how great they were then finished with the comment about using Terminal sires.
 

PureCountry

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I've always liked the phenotype of that bull. They say his girth is 100". If any of you ever put a tape to one of your bulls, you'll realize pretty quick just how massively deep-bodied that is. It'll be interesting to see how these cattle do in a different climate. I'm sure they'll do fine though.
 

rainie

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I A'Ied to him last year and got 4 bull calves. All 4 have managed to keep their testicles, while other A.I. calves lost theirs a while ago. What I'm most impressed with is their thick build and it looks like they'll be real easy keeping. Also have lots of testicle development. They're not dead quiet cattle, but not wild either. That being said, I wouldn't use him on anything but a real quiet cow. I'm now a convert for linebreeding because of these 4 calves. I used this bull on 4 good but different type angus cows and these calves all look exactly alike. If you can't read their eartag, your not sure exactly which one is which. Pure.. I want to get some Galloway blood in my cows and then use these Pinebank Waigroup calves on them.With this cross, hoping the cows can bale graze all winter with the calves left on them and still be in good condition come spring. Hope that there isn't a bunch of milk and more butterfat.
 

Faster horses

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I think this is the bull that Randy and Sue Peterson AI'd to last year.
I'm trying to remember what I head about him. I think it was that he weighs a LOT so is a bigger bull than one thinks.
 

RobertMac

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rainie said:
I'm now a convert for linebreeding.....

Pure.. I want to get some Galloway blood in my cows and then use these Pinebank Waigroup calves on them.

Linebreeders don't crossbreed! :???: :roll:

Quality grassfed starts with quality genetics that are adapted to your environment, your ranch, your forage, your climate, your management. Part of the reason the industry went to grain feeding is that it made these factors less critical...most any animal will get fat given enough feed and time. Long term linebred bulls(and cows) will give you a leg up, but only if you use them continually and exclusively while adapting your herd to your natural resources and ruthlessly culling the inferior.

Not meaning any offense, Rainie...just stating my opinion. :wink:
 

rkaiser

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I would say that rainie means that she/he has accepted the idea of prepotency in a line bred bull, and is ready to test the theory on is/her herd.

I like the bull Oldtimer. One or two pictures will never sell me on anything and I would certainly like to see his momma. The only way that I would ever buy a new sire or his semen. It seems that these folks have done a wonderful job of selection. The pictures in our Canadian Cattlemen magazine of some of the females certainly turn my crank as well.
 
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Anonymous

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I stole this from another site-- compares this NZ bull to EXT as far as EBV's & EPD's...

4 EBVs - BW, 200 day kg., 400 day kg., and Milk kg

EXT (now) 3.9 40 70 15
41/97 (2004) 2.8 31 63 9
41/97 (now) 3.0 37 70 13

AAA EPDs BW WW YW Milk

EXT (now) 1.9 43 80 19
41/97(now) .7 34 50 1
 

Northern Rancher

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Any good bull can be used on a cross section of cows and 'stamp' his calves-seen lots of crossbred herds that have way more uniform calves than some linebred purebred herds. Linebreeding can be good but it sure isn't the be all and end all in a commercial situation.
 

rainie

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No offence taken RobertMac. I should have wrote that differently. I value your opinion. This is the only linebred bull that I have ever used and am impressed with the way he stamps his calves with the same build no matter the type of cow he is used on. They have the build that I want. Ability to finish on grass at 18 months ? I don't know, but believe it is a step in the right direction compared to other grass type A.I. bulls we have used.I need the Galloway blood for the hair, foraging ability, and meat quality. I think that an ideal cow, for my environment, would be half Galloway, and half New Zealand Angus. All the calves are still on the cows out bale grazing. The way things are looking they won't be coming off the cows for awhile. From my own observation and neighbors opinions these New Zealand calves really standout from the rest. Minus 30 temps don't seem to phase them either and they're pretty fat and jiggly just on hay and mom's milk.
 

Northern Rancher

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Geez I got a bunch of Canadian Angus calves look just the same lol. wintering and foraging ability takes a bit of selection-hard to do a quick fix it up with just one bull or breed. We brought the bulls in today the home grown and Frasr bulls were bucking and playing and the bull I had rented looks like he needs some rehab.
 

TSR

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Oldtimer said:
I stole this from another site-- compares this NZ bull to EXT as far as EBV's & EPD's...

4 EBVs - BW, 200 day kg., 400 day kg., and Milk kg

EXT (now) 3.9 40 70 15
41/97 (2004) 2.8 31 63 9
41/97 (now) 3.0 37 70 13

AAA EPDs BW WW YW Milk

EXT (now) 1.9 43 80 19
41/97(now) .7 34 50 1

The bull looks a bit smaller framed than people around here like. Personally I like bulls with a little less frame but I have also learned not to try to change people's minds when your sellin bulls. I do like his thickness and everything else generally except the 1 for milk. I wonder what his $EN is-- I'll bet its at or near the top.
 
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Anonymous

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The site below has a picture of the heifer J Bob sold for $6750- It is Lot 9....

http://www.midlandbulltest.com/pdffiles/07_MT%20Supreme.pdf

The bulls $EN is $27.98- and $W is $20.35...
His AAA # is 14959541 .....

The heifer daughter that sold's $EN is $30.48 and her $W is $18.21..
Her AAA # is 15612943....

Lot #49 is a Rito Legacy 3R9 heifer calf that Taylor Orr in Rapelje raised and she sold for $2500....Last month I bought a half sib son of 3R9 for a bull from him...Hope he turns out as good as someone thought this heifer was :roll: :wink: :lol:
 

RobertMac

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rainie said:
No offence taken RobertMac. I should have wrote that differently. I value your opinion. This is the only linebred bull that I have ever used and am impressed with the way he stamps his calves with the same build no matter the type of cow he is used on. They have the build that I want. Ability to finish on grass at 18 months ? I don't know, but believe it is a step in the right direction compared to other grass type A.I. bulls we have used.I need the Galloway blood for the hair, foraging ability, and meat quality. I think that an ideal cow, for my environment, would be half Galloway, and half New Zealand Angus. All the calves are still on the cows out bale grazing. The way things are looking they won't be coming off the cows for awhile. From my own observation and neighbors opinions these New Zealand calves really standout from the rest. Minus 30 temps don't seem to phase them either and they're pretty fat and jiggly just on hay and mom's milk.

Rainie, you have laid out your path...buy some functional Galloway cows from a program run like yours and AI them to this bull. Keep the functional heifers as your foundation herd and use the best bulls as herdsires. Keep that ideal animal in your mind's eye and cull ruthlessly(the other half of a successful line breeding program). When you are satisfied with the progeny out of your foundation herd, close your herd and build with the animals best adapted to your ranch. Selection criteria weighted heavily toward functional traits and carcass qualities.
 
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