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News From Oregon???? Standoff????

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Fiore, a vocal supporter of the Bundy family, said that Ammon Bundy told his wife that Finicum was cooperating with police and had put his hands up. Then, Fiore said, Bundy told his wife that he watched police shoot Finicum three times. She said that Ammon Bundy also said Finicum was on the ground when he was shot.

The leaders were on U.S. 395 bound for John Day, where they were scheduled to participate in an evening community meeting set up by local residents. A crowd of several hundred had gathered at the John Day Senior Center, who were subsequently told the the "guest speakers" would not be appearing.
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White lives don't matter.
 
They were charged with conspiracy to impede federal officers, a felony.
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another case of "selective persecution" of a vague law any "protester" knowingly violates.

[/quote] 18 U.S. Code § 372 - Conspiracy to impede or injure officer

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

US Code


If two or more persons in any State, Territory, Possession, or District conspire to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed, or to injure him in his person or property on account of his lawful discharge of the duties of his office, or while engaged in the lawful discharge thereof, or to injure his property so as to molest, interrupt, hinder, or impede him in the discharge of his official duties, each of such persons shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 701; Pub. L. 107–273, div. B, title IV, § 4002(d)(1)(D), Nov. 2, 2002, 116 Stat. 1809.) [/quote] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/372



one might also note, there is no charge of "injure" , just impede in the initial reporting.
 
http://www.newsfoxes.com/2016/01/daughter-of-murdered-militiaman-speaks-out/

Thara Tenney, the daughter of Oregon militiaman LaVoy Finicum is speaking out about the incident involving police and FBI agents, which left her father dead on Tuesday night. Tenney claims her father was shot execution-style while his hands were in the air, which other eyewitnesses at the scene are corroborating.
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Faster horses said:
Why does Waco come to mind?
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Or Randy Weaver? Did you know the FBI sniper coward that shot Randy's family fired the firstshot at Waco? Lon Horiuchi. :mad:

In 1997, Boundary County, Idaho Prosecutor Denise Woodbury, with the help of special prosecutor Stephen Yagman, charged Horiuchi in state court with involuntary manslaughter over his killing of Vicki Weaver. The U.S. Attorney filed a notice of removal of the case to federal court, which automatically took effect under the statute for removal jurisdiction[7] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.

The decision to dismiss the charges was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that enough uncertainty about the facts of the case existed for Horiuchi to stand trial on state manslaughter charges.[2] Ultimately, the then-sitting Boundary County prosecutor, Brett Benson, who had defeated Woodbury in the 2000 election, decided to drop the charges because he felt it was unlikely the state could prove the case and too much time had passed. Yagman, the special prosecutor, responded that he "could not disagree more with this decision than I do."

The Ninth Circuit granted Boundary County's motion to dismiss the case against Horiuchi on September 14, 2001
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loomixguy said:
Someone is having multiple orgasms and furiously cutting & pasting.
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I guess I'm not following this side of the board enough to really understand what you are saying here.

I will say, there are other reports that contradict the "Hands in the air". I am saddened a life was lost. I am not surprised. My father explained to me the seriousness of having a gun at a very young age. We respect them and are extremely careful. Having one an exposing yourself to this situation is expecting a life loss going in. Which, when interviewed, this gentleman fully expected.

To me, the unfortunate thing is the Hammonds double jeopardy nor the land grabs by the federal government seem to lead the storyline now.
 
PPRM said:
To me, the unfortunate thing is the Hammonds double jeopardy nor the land grabs by the federal government seem to lead the storyline now.
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Ramifications. A precedence has been set. Just like other places. Government militia has declared war on its people.
 
An eyewitness from the Lavoy Finicum vehicle stated that he had come out of the vehicle with his hands up and was shot down, which was corroborated by others.

It was Mark McConnell who gave the contradictory story. McConnell was in the other vehicle which had stopped at the first "traffic stop". He said that Finicum ran the stop and got stuck trying to avoid a roadblock further down the road, OUT OF McCONNELL'S SIGHT.

So Mr. McConnell must have some extra-sensory abilities to be able to perceive what had happened out of his sight. He was about the only one not arrested.

Why would that be?
 
burnt said:
An eyewitness from the Lavoy Finicum vehicle stated that he had come out of the vehicle with his hands up and was shot down, which was corroborated by others.

It was Mark McConnell who gave the contradictory story. McConnell was in the other vehicle which had stopped at the first "traffic stop". He said that Finicum ran the stop and got stuck trying to avoid a roadblock further down the road, OUT OF McCONNELL'S SIGHT.

So Mr. McConnell must have some extra-sensory abilities to be able to perceive what had happened out of his sight. He was about the only one not arrested.

Why would that be?
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McConnell said he was only 1/2 mile away when Lavoy got shot. Yes, why would McConnell not get arrested? Hmmmmmm.....
 
Finicum Shot In The Back? Got out of truck with hands up. He never pulled gun. Murder?

about 9:30 in the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aAGxDWKrjPQ
 
I watched that part 20 times. I felt he was shot after reaching for his waist. Some friends felt he reached for his waist as a result of a shot fired at him. It seems the interpretation of the video tends to follow peoples preconceived notion of what likely happened.


I'm truly sad a life was lost. Yet, some things that I practice and have never been fired upon. Don't take off in you vehicle when you are pulled over. Don't leave your vehicle running when you are pulled over. Have your ID and Registration ready, hands in clear sight on the steering wheel at 10:00 and 2:00 positions.


If you do as he did, you certainly leave your actions up to the last minute interpretations of law Enforcement who must make split second decisions as to if you are a threat or not.


There's also a video from an FBI press conference where the FBI talks through. it is edited in an effort to cut out time.


I truly believe he may of been hit the second time he reached for his waist as he did a turning around dance. It also looks to me like some dash cam likely caught most of it.
 

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