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News media quiet about suicide rates.

hypocritexposer

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"common sense to understand" does not mean it was the responsible thing to do OT.

In order to examine those social contexts, however, researchers must rely on official death reporting. "Mortality statistics are crucial because they tell us not just about how people die, but how they lived. To understand the social determinants of health and well-being at the community level, we need to be confident that area-level mortality statistics are relatively unbiased," said Temple sociologist Joshua Klugman, the study's lead author.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110819141527.htm




There are insurance implications with suicide also. It could be considered insurance fraud in some cases.

When someone commits suicide, there are many people who may have an interest in keeping their cause of death a secret. Sometimes the families of the deceased are worried about the possible stigma associated with their loved one’s suicide. Some suicides may not be reported in the media due to controversy or privacy issues. However, it’s not just families or the media that keep suicides quiet; coroners keep some suicides secret too.

Suicide statistics are an important tool in understanding the health and wellbeing of a community, and those statistics rely on accurate reporting from coroners. So why would coroners under-report suicides?

Coroners are not immune from the social pressure and stigma against talking about suicide. Recent studies have shown that elected coroners and medical examiners are more likely to under-report suicides than appointed coroners. Those seeking re-election may try to distance themselves from the uncomfortable topic of suicide and keep some suicides secret.

http://www.realcounsellingmelbourne.com.au/why-do-coroners-keep-some-suicides-secret/
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
"common sense to understand" does not mean it was the responsible thing to do OT.

In order to examine those social contexts, however, researchers must rely on official death reporting. "Mortality statistics are crucial because they tell us not just about how people die, but how they lived. To understand the social determinants of health and well-being at the community level, we need to be confident that area-level mortality statistics are relatively unbiased," said Temple sociologist Joshua Klugman, the study's lead author.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110819141527.htm




There are insurance implications with suicide also. It could be considered insurance fraud in some cases.

When someone commits suicide, there are many people who may have an interest in keeping their cause of death a secret. Sometimes the families of the deceased are worried about the possible stigma associated with their loved one’s suicide. Some suicides may not be reported in the media due to controversy or privacy issues. However, it’s not just families or the media that keep suicides quiet; coroners keep some suicides secret too.

Suicide statistics are an important tool in understanding the health and wellbeing of a community, and those statistics rely on accurate reporting from coroners. So why would coroners under-report suicides?

Coroners are not immune from the social pressure and stigma against talking about suicide. Recent studies have shown that elected coroners and medical examiners are more likely to under-report suicides than appointed coroners. Those seeking re-election may try to distance themselves from the uncomfortable topic of suicide and keep some suicides secret.

http://www.realcounsellingmelbourne.com.au/why-do-coroners-keep-some-suicides-secret/

You're starting to sound like a flaming liberal Social Worker Hypocrit-- are you finally coming out of the closet ? :wink: :lol:
 

hypocritexposer

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Jane Pierce spent nine years struggling alongside her husband, Todd, as he fought cancer in his sinus cavity. The treatments were working. Then, in July 2009, Todd died in a fiery car crash. He was 46. That was the beginning of a whole new battle for Jane Pierce, this time with Todd’s life insurance company, MetLife Inc.

A state medical examiner and a sheriff in Rosebud County, Montana, concluded that Pierce’s death was an accident, caused when he lost control of his silver GMC pickup after passing a car on a two-lane road.

Their findings meant Jane was eligible to collect $224,000 on the accidental death insurance policy that Todd had through his employer, power producer PPL Corp. MetLife, however, refused to pay. The nation’s largest life insurer told Pierce on Dec. 8, 2009, that her husband had killed himself. The policy didn’t cover suicide, the insurer said, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its April issue.

“How dare they suggest such a thing,” says Pierce, 44, a physician assistant in Colstrip, a Montana mining and power production city of 2,346 people.

She says she’s insulted that the man who courageously battled his disease for a decade was accused by an insurance company of abandoning his wife and two sons -- one a U.S. Marine, the other a National Guardsman -- and giving up on his fight to live.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-01/accidental-death-becomes-suicide-when-insurers-dodge-paying-life-benefits.html
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Jane Pierce spent nine years struggling alongside her husband, Todd, as he fought cancer in his sinus cavity. The treatments were working. Then, in July 2009, Todd died in a fiery car crash. He was 46. That was the beginning of a whole new battle for Jane Pierce, this time with Todd’s life insurance company, MetLife Inc.

A state medical examiner and a sheriff in Rosebud County, Montana, concluded that Pierce’s death was an accident, caused when he lost control of his silver GMC pickup after passing a car on a two-lane road.

Their findings meant Jane was eligible to collect $224,000 on the accidental death insurance policy that Todd had through his employer, power producer PPL Corp. MetLife, however, refused to pay. The nation’s largest life insurer told Pierce on Dec. 8, 2009, that her husband had killed himself. The policy didn’t cover suicide, the insurer said, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its April issue.

“How dare they suggest such a thing,” says Pierce, 44, a physician assistant in Colstrip, a Montana mining and power production city of 2,346 people.

She says she’s insulted that the man who courageously battled his disease for a decade was accused by an insurance company of abandoning his wife and two sons -- one a U.S. Marine, the other a National Guardsman -- and giving up on his fight to live.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-03-01/accidental-death-becomes-suicide-when-insurers-dodge-paying-life-benefits.html

You forgot this part Hypocrit- this was not only a decision of the Sheriff and the Coroner-- this one was a decision of the big man- the state medical examiner :

Pierce argued with MetLife for months. She supplied the insurer with the autopsy report, medical records and a letter from the medical examiner saying the death was accidental. MetLife still said no. Finally, in May 2010, she sued.

In July, a year after Todd’s death, MetLife settled and paid Pierce the full $224,000 due on the policy. The New York- based insurer, as part of the agreement, denied wrongdoing and paid Pierce no interest or penalties for the year during which it held her money.

And you forget- it takes a preponderance of the evidence...Sometimes all that evidence clearly indicating the decision is not there..
But you who have never walked in those folks shoes always know more :roll: :lol:

Some just hate anything connected to the government- until they are the ones wanting the help....

But the folks it mattered to- and knew the whole story kept him in office for 27 years... :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
But the folks it mattered to- and knew the whole story kept him in office for 27 years... :wink:

You claimed the families knew many were suicide, due to medical bills. so if the coroner lied about the suicides being "accidental death", then those financially strapped famiilies get the Life Insurance, correct?

No wonder they kept him in office for 27 years..

You should be proud of your lying. You helped people out.
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
But the folks it mattered to- and knew the whole story kept him in office for 27 years... :wink:

You claimed the families knew many were suicide, due to medical bills. so if the coroner lied about the suicides being "accidental death", then those financially strapped famiilies get the Life Insurance, correct?

No wonder they kept him in office for 27 years..

You should be proud of your lying. You helped people out.

Nope- and this was not me...Never said a thing about that... Never was an insurance company challenge a ruling that I'm aware of...
 

hypocritexposer

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You're missing the point OT. Life Insurance does not pay out most times for suicides, so by the Coroner you "worked under" lying about the deaths, the familys would have got the insurance money, no questions asked.

You knew they were suicides and yet you said nothing. A real honest "man of the law", you are.


Oldtimer said:
In our area- during the years I was a Coroner- probably the major suicide cause (especially with mature individuals) was folks that were diagnosed with cancer or a major disease- but that did not have any health care insurance- or not have the major medical insurance it would take to treat the disease----- which would have meant the family would have had to bare the the costs/and the family savings and farm/ranch would have been lost....
They chose the way out for their family....

Oldtimer said:
I have no idea-- but under the old Coroner that I worked with/for for years- I'm sure many suicides were ruled accidentals to spare the families both guilt and anquish...
 
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hypocritexposer said:
You're missing the point OT. Life Insurance does not pay out most times for suicides, so by the Coroner you "worked under" lying about the deaths, the familys would have got the insurance money, no questions asked.

You knew they were suicides and yet you said nothing. A real honest "man of the law", you are.


Oldtimer said:
In our area- during the years I was a Coroner- probably the major suicide cause (especially with mature individuals) was folks that were diagnosed with cancer or a major disease- but that did not have any health care insurance- or not have the major medical insurance it would take to treat the disease----- which would have meant the family would have had to bare the the costs/and the family savings and farm/ranch would have been lost....
They chose the way out for their family....

Oldtimer said:
I have no idea-- but under the old Coroner that I worked with/for for years- I'm sure many suicides were ruled accidentals to spare the families both guilt and anquish...

No Lying- the deputy coroners/medical examiners do the investigations-- which often include psychological autopsies...

Psychological Autopsy
A procedure for investigating a person's death by reconstructing what the person thought, felt, and did before death, based on information gathered from personal documents, police reports, medical and coroner's records, and face-to-face interviews with families, friends, and others who had contact with the person before the death.

Then after presenting the evidence it was up to the Coroner (who's decision was also overseen by the County Attorney and the State Medical Examiner acting for the State Attorney Generals Office) to make the decision from the evidence presented... If any of those did not agree- they could call for a Coroners Jury and full Inquest....

And it was his practice that you had to meet a heavy burden of the preponderance of the evidence before he would rule suicide.....
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
In our area- during the years I was a Coroner- probably the major suicide cause (especially with mature individuals) was folks that were diagnosed with cancer or a major disease- but that did not have any health care insurance- or not have the major medical insurance it would take to treat the disease----- which would have meant the family would have had to bare the the costs/and the family savings and farm/ranch would have been lost....
They chose the way out for their family....

Oldtimer said:
I have no idea-- but under the old Coroner that I worked with/for for years- I'm sure many suicides were ruled accidentals to spare the families both guilt and anquish...
 

Mike

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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
In our area- during the years I was a Coroner- probably the major suicide cause (especially with mature individuals) was folks that were diagnosed with cancer or a major disease- but that did not have any health care insurance- or not have the major medical insurance it would take to treat the disease----- which would have meant the family would have had to bare the the costs/and the family savings and farm/ranch would have been lost....
They chose the way out for their family....

Oldtimer said:
I have no idea-- but under the old Coroner that I worked with/for for years- I'm sure many suicides were ruled accidentals to spare the families both guilt and anquish...

So many lies he forgets what he says. :roll:
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
In our area- during the years I was a Coroner- probably the major suicide cause (especially with mature individuals) was folks that were diagnosed with cancer or a major disease- but that did not have any health care insurance- or not have the major medical insurance it would take to treat the disease----- which would have meant the family would have had to bare the the costs/and the family savings and farm/ranch would have been lost....
They chose the way out for their family....

Oldtimer said:
I have no idea-- but under the old Coroner that I worked with/for for years- I'm sure many suicides were ruled accidentals to spare the families both guilt and anquish...

A lot of difference between being "a Coroner" and being "the Coroner"-- but I can easily see its far too complicated for you to understand... :roll:
 

Whitewing

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
In our area- during the years I was a Coroner- probably the major suicide cause (especially with mature individuals) was folks that were diagnosed with cancer or a major disease- but that did not have any health care insurance- or not have the major medical insurance it would take to treat the disease----- which would have meant the family would have had to bare the the costs/and the family savings and farm/ranch would have been lost....
They chose the way out for their family....

Oldtimer said:
I have no idea-- but under the old Coroner that I worked with/for for years- I'm sure many suicides were ruled accidentals to spare the families both guilt and anquish...

A lot of difference between being "a Coroner" and being "the Coroner"-- but I can easily see its far too complicated for you to understand... :roll:

What's not difficult to understand is that when a coroner "spares the families both guilt and anguish", he's probably lied at a minimum and possibly commited fraud if a recently-obtained insurance policy is involved.

Nice work there Barney.
 

TexasBred

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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
In our area- during the years I was a Coroner- probably the major suicide cause (especially with mature individuals) was folks that were diagnosed with cancer or a major disease- but that did not have any health care insurance- or not have the major medical insurance it would take to treat the disease----- which would have meant the family would have had to bare the the costs/and the family savings and farm/ranch would have been lost....
They chose the way out for their family....

Oldtimer said:
I have no idea-- but under the old Coroner that I worked with/for for years- I'm sure many suicides were ruled accidentals to spare the families both guilt and anquish...

Many life insurance policies pay double for "accidental death". Also most policies also pay on suicide IF the policy has been in force the required length of time which is usually not that long.
 

Whitewing

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TexasBred said:
hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
In our area- during the years I was a Coroner- probably the major suicide cause (especially with mature individuals) was folks that were diagnosed with cancer or a major disease- but that did not have any health care insurance- or not have the major medical insurance it would take to treat the disease----- which would have meant the family would have had to bare the the costs/and the family savings and farm/ranch would have been lost....
They chose the way out for their family....

Oldtimer said:
I have no idea-- but under the old Coroner that I worked with/for for years- I'm sure many suicides were ruled accidentals to spare the families both guilt and anquish...

Many life insurance policies pay double for "accidental death". Also most policies also pay on suicide IF the policy has been in force the required length of time which is usually not that long.

This whole tale of OT's is kind of funny when contrasted to how he got his panties in a knot when we dared question the validity of the testimony of some "expert witnesses" from the state.

Oh no, those guys are as pure as the driven snow.

:lol:
 

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