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Newt Warns of Republican Disaster

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Sounds good Newt--but how about Senators and Congressmen getting out of the pockets of every Corporate and Big Business lobbyiest and special interest group that comes along....Thats whats killing the Repub party right now......The majority of the population connects the Republican party directly to Corporate/Lobbiest corruption and scandal- which is part of the reason for the current failure of our economy...

“And every person who cares about the conservative movement and every person who cares about the Republican Party had better stop and say to themselves, There is something big happening in this country. We don’t understand it. We’re not responding to it. And we’re currently not competitive. And if we want to get to be competitive, we had better change and we had better change now.”

You said it right there Newt "We're not responding to it"....7 years of arrogance led failure to respond to the wishes of the populace- and many times going directly against the wishes of the majority of the people in this country- will get you to where you are right now...Predicting DOOM...

Gingrich Warns of GOP Catastrophe

Monday, February 11, 2008 5:10 PM

By: Newsmax Staff




In a rousing speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Sunday, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich called for a conservative “declaration of independence” from the Republican Party.

He also warned that Republicans face a “catastrophic” election this year unless the GOP changes course.

Gingrich pointed out that on Super Tuesday, 14.6 million voters took part in the Democratic races, compared to 8.3 million Republicans.

“There were 14.6 million Democrats who thought the presidential nomination was worth voting for, and there were 8.3 million Republicans on Super Tuesday,” Gingrich said.

“That is a warning of a catastrophic election. I was in Idaho this last week, and Barack Obama on last Saturday had 16,000 people in Boise. The idea [of] the most liberal Democratic Senator getting 16,000 people in Boise was inconceivable.

“And every person who cares about the conservative movement and every person who cares about the Republican Party had better stop and say to themselves, There is something big happening in this country. We don’t understand it. We’re not responding to it. And we’re currently not competitive. And if we want to get to be competitive, we had better change and we had better change now.”

Gingrich stressed that he was not commenting on any of the current candidates for president.

Rather, he said, “this is a comment about the conservative movement, and it's a comment about the Republican Party, and all the candidates currently running fit within those two phrases. But it is about all of us. It is about our Congressman, our Senator, our governors, our county commissioners, our school board members.

“And let me make this very clear, I believe we have to change or expect defeat.

“And I believe that this is a time for the conservative movement to issue a declaration of independence…

“First of all, I think we need to get independent from a Washington fixation. There are 513,000 elected officials in the United States and the conservative movement should believe in a decentralized United States, where every elected official has real responsibility, and we should be developing a conservative action plan, at every level of this country, and not simply focused over and over again on arguments about the White House…

“I also think that we need to declare our independence from trying to protect and defend failed bureaucracies that magically become ours as soon as we are in charge of them. We appoint solid conservatives to a department and within three weeks they are defending and protecting the very department that they would have been attacking before they got appointed.”

Gingrich drew considerable applause when he continued with his “independence” theme:

“There is one other declaration of independence we need and this will startle some of you. And remember I say this from a background of having been active in the Georgia Republican Party since 1960. In a fundamental way, the conservative movement has to declare itself independent from the Republican Party.

“Let me make very clear what I'm saying here. I am not saying there should be a third party – I think a third party is a dumb idea, will not get anywhere, and in the end will achieve nothing.

“I actually believe that any reasonable conservative will, in the end, find that they have an absolute requirement to support the Republican nominee for president this fall…

“As a citizen, I would rather have a President McCain that we fight with 20 percent of the time, than a President Clinton or a President Obama that we fight with 90 percent of the time.”

But he warned: “If we run a traditional consultant-dominated tactical Republican campaign, like we’ve seen in the last eight years, we will be defeated this fall, and we will be having a CPAC meeting next year talking about how we rebuild for the future with either President Obama or President Clinton in charge.”
 

Mike

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I put Newt in the same category as Bill Clinton with his shenanigans.

If anyone listens too closely to Newt they will be kicked out on their ass just as he was as Speaker.
 
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Mike said:
I put Newt in the same category as Bill Clinton with his shenanigans.

If anyone listens too closely to Newt they will be kicked out on their ass just as he was as Speaker.

Oh- your gonna alienate all the Rush cultists :wink: :p ...The other day Rush was comparing Newt to Lincoln- and suggesting like Lincoln should be the Republican party candidate thru a brokered convention- even tho Lincoln was 3rd place in the balloting- and Newt wasn't even running.....

But poor old Rush is still back in 1980- thinking Ronald Reagan will come riding his white horse over the hill to save the party- and the world can go back to the way it was in 1980.... :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

backhoeboogie

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Who really listens to Rush or Newt? What do they have to do with the demo controlled house who is doing nothing but whining and pushing communism?

You come on here yourself and you want to punish successful people by taxing them to death and give it to drug addicts.

If you can't pay to have your tooth repaired, I don't see it as my problem. Now children are a different story.

If you choose drugs and want rehab, pay for it. If you believe, "They really are sincere" well I certainly don't trust your judgement one iota so we need more proof.

Go back and look at your posts.

Why don't you just get a gun and start robbing banks and giving it to the drug addicts?

Edit: here you go. These are your words. You want me to buy health care. Then what? Everyone gets a new truck? What next? Lets fund everything for those drug addicts and they can spend their money on more drugs.

They're doing it every day now with with-holding taxes, Social Security, Unemployment, etc. etc...
What would be the big difference if another % based on actual earnings went to guaranteed health/catastrophic disease/long term care insurance for everyone- so that everyone had access to the same medical treatment.....

Health care costs needs a major reform..... Major Tort reform- negotiated pharmaceutical/ medical equipment costs- a planned healthcare program, which includes preventive medicine- long term treatment for/ instead of the emergency room save a life treatment for drug addicts and alcohol addictives, that kick them back out the door to go back to the life they are living/catastrophic care insurance for those that have a major stroke- or are in a severe accident at age 30 and end up in extended care or long term care units ( instead of bankrupting familys/business's)...Those that have nothing-already get it paid for by YOU and ME for nothing thru our taxes.....

Faster Horses- I don't know how many times in the last 10 years I've sat in the Courtroom and had folks that I really believe were sincere- that had finally hit the bottom and wanted help with their addiction problems (alcohol, drugs, gambling- all a dopamine triggered addiction that take intense treatment to stop- control-- never are cured) - and the programs aren't there....Unless they have the money to put up front for Rimrock of Billings (at over $1000 a day) for a minimum 30 day program...And in the long run these addictions and non treatments of and escalating of diseases cost us a fortune every year.....
 
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backhoeboogie said:
Who really listens to Rush or Newt? What do they have to do with the demo controlled house who is doing nothing but whining and pushing communism?

You come on here yourself and you want to punish successful people by taxing them to death and give it to drug addicts.

If you can't pay to have your tooth repaired, I don't see it as my problem. Now children are a different story.

If you choose drugs and want rehab, pay for it. If you believe, "They really are sincere" well I certainly don't trust your judgement one iota so we need more proof.

Go back and look at your posts.

Why don't you just get a gun and start robbing banks and giving it to the drug addicts?

Edit: here you go. These are your words. You want me to buy health care. Then what? Everyone gets a new truck? What next? Lets fund everything for those drug addicts and they can spend their money on more drugs.

They're doing it every day now with with-holding taxes, Social Security, Unemployment, etc. etc...
What would be the big difference if another % based on actual earnings went to guaranteed health/catastrophic disease/long term care insurance for everyone- so that everyone had access to the same medical treatment.....

Health care costs needs a major reform..... Major Tort reform- negotiated pharmaceutical/ medical equipment costs- a planned healthcare program, which includes preventive medicine- long term treatment for/ instead of the emergency room save a life treatment for drug addicts and alcohol addictives, that kick them back out the door to go back to the life they are living/catastrophic care insurance for those that have a major stroke- or are in a severe accident at age 30 and end up in extended care or long term care units ( instead of bankrupting familys/business's)...Those that have nothing-already get it paid for by YOU and ME for nothing thru our taxes.....

Faster Horses- I don't know how many times in the last 10 years I've sat in the Courtroom and had folks that I really believe were sincere- that had finally hit the bottom and wanted help with their addiction problems (alcohol, drugs, gambling- all a dopamine triggered addiction that take intense treatment to stop- control-- never are cured) - and the programs aren't there....Unless they have the money to put up front for Rimrock of Billings (at over $1000 a day) for a minimum 30 day program...And in the long run these addictions and non treatments of and escalating of diseases cost us a fortune every year.....

Backhoebooger-- the problem is- that some folks like you have convinced yourselves that you aren't already paying for all these problems...But you are- and by sticking your head in the sand and avoiding coming up with a progressive positive attack on them- you are paying two fold what it should be costing- in not only increased health care and health care insurance costs- but also all the social costs like jails, police, prisons, one parent families, welfare, unemployment,court costs, crime, highway deaths, etc. etc.--and still are doing nothing positive to end the true causes of the problem ....
 

Mike

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and still are doing nothing positive to end the true causes of the problem ....

THE TRUE CAUSES OF THE PROBLEM?

The true causes of the drug problems are "Lack of Accountability" that started with the "Great Society" and the "War on Poverty".

If they don't feel like earning a living and taking care of their own, just go sign up for welfare and get some type of government assistance!!!!!!!!

Yea buddy! That sent a helluva message to the next generation didn't it?
 
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Mike said:
and still are doing nothing positive to end the true causes of the problem ....

THE TRUE CAUSES OF THE PROBLEM?

The true causes of the drug problems are "Lack of Accountability" that started with the "Great Society" and the "War on Poverty".

If they don't feel like earning a living and taking care of their own, just go sign up for welfare and get some type of government assistance!!!!!!!!

Yea buddy! That sent a helluva message to the next generation didn't it?

Welfare is a big problem that needs major reform- I'll agree to that....

But many of these drug users I'm talking of are not the ghetto type- more the blue collar type that gets hooked on alcohol- or the blue collar workers kids that end up hooked on drugs like meth (that are everywhere now- some of which are now so addictive that they try them once they are addicted) that some kids got on the rez to experiment with....

How many recovering alcoholics do you work with? or know? I could name hundreds, that were on a 1 way road to prison, killing someone, divorce, etc. etc. that are now very productive people- because they were able to get some help...Sadly few succeed quitting on their own- most need treatment and continuous treatment and counseling the rest of their lives (the same with drug addicts),- Treatment and Counseling of which is getting harder to find/get- and virtually impossible unless you are financially capable to put money up front (which few are when they finally hit bottom and seek help) or you have an insurance policy that covers such treatment (which few of these folks will have- choosing to use that money for booze or drugs)...

Why do you think the AMA recognized drug addiction as a medical problem? Because right now it is one of the major diseases and social issues facing Americans- and usually touchs everyone some way thruout their life...

Personally to me- its very frustrating- when someone is sitting there across from you in the courtroom that has finally hit bottom- and is crying for help- and there is absolutely nothing you can do to help them, because the assistance isn't there anymore....And you know that as soon as they walk out of your courtroom or get out of jail- they will head to the first bar or first fix- and could very easily be driving down the road 4 hours later- and only hope and pray it isn't your family they run head on into...
 

backhoeboogie

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My first hand experience with alcoholics involved my brother. He finally killed himself. 11 DWIs in Texas and some in Alaska too. One in Wahsington State. He never hurt anyone else thank goodness.

My first hand experience with drug addicts lately is my youngest daughter who came back from college a total wreck. She is in jail right now and can't get to the drugs. She's found religion. We'll see what happens when she gets out. It took about 4 months to purge the chemicals out of her brain.

In both cases, I paid the bill and didn't ask the government to go rob someone with money to pay for it. I am also raising a grandson with no government help. The wife donates way too many nickels to the programs already.

No need to tell me about first hand experience Old Timer.
 

TSR

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backhoeboogie said:
My first hand experience with alcoholics involved my brother. He finally killed himself. 11 DWIs in Texas and some in Alaska too. One in Wahsington State. He never hurt anyone else thank goodness.

My first hand experience with drug addicts lately is my youngest daughter who came back from college a total wreck. She is in jail right now and can't get to the drugs. She's found religion. We'll see what happens when she gets out. It took about 4 months to purge the chemicals out of her brain.

In both cases, I paid the bill and didn't ask the government to go rob someone with money to pay for it. I am also raising a grandson with no government help. The wife donates way too many nickels to the programs already.

No need to tell me about first hand experience Old Timer.

I am sure many who visit this site can relate similar experiences. Now what about the ones that are sent to prison? Prison costs money,just like the jail where your daughter is incarcerated. Don't you think its worthwhile to try to help people as OT said that are asking for help but have no means? I even think it is cost effective in the long run, plus its the right thing to do isn't it? As a true conservative surely you agree with my last statement about it being the right thing to do.
 

backhoeboogie

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TSR said:
backhoeboogie said:
My first hand experience with alcoholics involved my brother. He finally killed himself. 11 DWIs in Texas and some in Alaska too. One in Wahsington State. He never hurt anyone else thank goodness.

My first hand experience with drug addicts lately is my youngest daughter who came back from college a total wreck. She is in jail right now and can't get to the drugs. She's found religion. We'll see what happens when she gets out. It took about 4 months to purge the chemicals out of her brain.

In both cases, I paid the bill and didn't ask the government to go rob someone with money to pay for it. I am also raising a grandson with no government help. The wife donates way too many nickels to the programs already.

No need to tell me about first hand experience Old Timer.

I am sure many who visit this site can relate similar experiences. Now what about the ones that are sent to prison? Prison costs money,just like the jail where your daughter is incarcerated. Don't you think its worthwhile to try to help people as OT said that are asking for help but have no means? I even think it is cost effective in the long run, plus its the right thing to do isn't it? As a true conservative surely you agree with my last statement about it being the right thing to do.

TSR, With all due respect, the choice was theirs in the beginning, and the choice is theirs in the end. We cannot choose for them. If they truly want help, they'll get it. We cannot help anyone who will not help themselves.

Children and elderly don't have much choice in the matter. They can up my taxes to feed either or both. Feeding children and educating them is the right thing to do.

Panhandlers at Wal-Mart are taking in $300 a day as described on the news this a.m. Have you looked at them closely? They all have cell phones - hi tech ones. They cannot afford insurance and cannot "buy a cup of coffee."

When I take my grandson to see his mother weekly, there are many panhandlers out front. They all blame the government for the choices they made. Most of them sound like many of the posters on this forum. Other than standing in line and listening to them, and listening to the whiners here, no one else has those arguments.
 

Steve

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How many recovering alcoholics do you work with? or know?

Never had a problem with a recovering alcoholic... but have had a lifetime of experiance with an alcoholic...

with some people you can give all the help in the world to.. and they still walk away to get another drink..
 

Mike

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Steve said:
How many recovering alcoholics do you work with? or know?

Never had a problem with a recovering alcoholic... but have had a lifetime of experiance with an alcoholic...

with some people you can give all the help in the world to.. and they still walk away to get another drink..

I'll take it even farther. You can help some people too much.

People will never get off drugs or alcohol until they want to. When they want to there's no need for rehab................
 
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Steve said:
How many recovering alcoholics do you work with? or know?

Never had a problem with a recovering alcoholic... but have had a lifetime of experiance with an alcoholic...

with some people you can give all the help in the world to.. and they still walk away to get another drink..

Yep-- and those are the ones that when they get into trouble- you like to give a little friendly persuasion to - and give choices to -- like seek treatment and stay recovered for X amount of years- or X amount of years stay in the County Jail/prison.....Many times it just the added "boost" they need to get help.....
 

Steve

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
How many recovering alcoholics do you work with? or know?

Never had a problem with a recovering alcoholic... but have had a lifetime of experiance with an alcoholic...

with some people you can give all the help in the world to.. and they still walk away to get another drink..

Yep-- and those are the ones that when they get into trouble- you like to give a little friendly persuasion to - and give choices to -- like seek treatment and stay recovered for X amount of years- or X amount of years stay in the County Jail/prison.....Many times it just the added "boost" they need to get help.....

isn't that against our constitution??

To my knowledge being an alcoholic is not against the law*...

nor is it even a crime to be a drug addict...

so how could you lock them up and throw away the key with out suspending the constitution?
 
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Steve said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
Never had a problem with a recovering alcoholic... but have had a lifetime of experiance with an alcoholic...

with some people you can give all the help in the world to.. and they still walk away to get another drink..

Yep-- and those are the ones that when they get into trouble- you like to give a little friendly persuasion to - and give choices to -- like seek treatment and stay recovered for X amount of years- or X amount of years stay in the County Jail/prison.....Many times it just the added "boost" they need to get help.....

isn't that against our constitution??

To my knowledge being an alcoholic is not against the law*...

nor is it even a crime to be a drug addict...

so how could you lock them up and throw away the key with out suspending the constitution?

Most alcoholics/drug offenders end up violating criminal acts because of and connected to their addictions- family/partner abuse, assault, theft, dui, illegal possession, etc. etc.....I've seen some that have gotten dui's so close together that they still hadn't went to trial on #1- when they got #2 or even with a couple #3....
These are the folks that you are in a position to "make a deal" with....
 
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