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Faster horses

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NO APOLOGIES ACCEPTED


At a time when our president and other politicians tend to apologize for our country's prior actions, here`s a refresher on how some of our former patriots handled negative comments about our country...




These are good

JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when DeGaule decided to pull out of N ATO. DeGaule said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible.
Rusk responded "does that include those who are buried here?
DeGuale did not respond.


You could have heard a pin drop





When in England , at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush.
He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The o nly amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'


You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, one of the French engineers came back into the room saying 'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intended to do, bomb them?'
A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capa city to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?'



You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conf erences rather than speaking French?'
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, 'Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'


You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE...
Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.
"You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.
"Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."
The American said, 'The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."
"Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !"
The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."



You could have heard a pin drop.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you are proud to be an American, pass this on! If not, delete it.

I am proud to be of this land, AMERICA
 

badaxemoo

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
NO APOLOGIES ACCEPTED


At a time when our president and other politicians tend to apologize for our country's prior actions, here`s a refresher on how some of our former patriots handled negative comments about our country...




These are good

JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when DeGaule decided to pull out of N ATO. DeGaule said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible.
Rusk responded "does that include those who are buried here?
DeGuale did not respond.


You could have heard a pin drop





When in England , at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush.
He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The o nly amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'


You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, one of the French engineers came back into the room saying 'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intended to do, bomb them?'
A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capa city to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?'



You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conf erences rather than speaking French?'
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, 'Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'


You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE...
Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.
"You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.
"Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."
The American said, 'The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."
"Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !"
The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."



You could have heard a pin drop.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you are proud to be an American, pass this on! If not, delete it.

I am proud to be of this land, AMERICA

Like any other major country, our foreign policy has been a mixed bag of good and bad.

Do you think we maybe should apologize for some of these interventions?

1953 - overthrowing Mohammed Mosaddeq, the democratically elected leader of Iran

1954 - Overthrowing Jacobo Arbenz, the democratically elected President of Guatemala

1973 - CIA-backed coup overthrows democratically elected President Salvador Allende in Chile

And there are others. The history of Central America and the Caribbean, in particular, are rife with U.S. military and CIA interventions that had nothing to do with protecting "democracy" but plenty to do with our own economic and security self-interests.

I doubt that anyone would question the important role our country played in World War II, but to hint that we have always acted like a shining beacon of democracy, particularly in our own hemisphere, is ignorant and ridiculous.

People that believe that apologies are never necessary aren't patriots.

They are ignorant, arrogant idiots.
 

Sandhusker

Well-known member
You can add the backing of legally deposed Hondouran President Zelaya to that list, Badaxe. For that, I am ashamed and upset.
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
How about hanging of the Dakota Siuox? The largest mass execution in the U.S. history. It happened on Lincoln's watch.

You can find anything if you dig deep enough Badaxe.

This thread was citing things to be proud of. You take no pride in any of it?
 

badaxemoo

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
So badaxe, since you brought it up--answer me this:

ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT, PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN?

What exactly is that supposed to mean?

I'm proud that I live in country that:

-protects basic, democratic freedoms and rights
-developed the world's first National Park system
-has provided opportunities for immigrants
-usually ends up doing the right thing

I'm not proud that I live in country that:

-has often behaved like an empire when stating it is "protecting freedom"
-has significant portion of the population that doesn't believe in evolution
-can't figure out that the economy is here to serve us and not vice-versa
-takes too much time to learn to do the right thing

But go ahead. Wave your flag and keep up with the "my country wrong or right" business. Question other people's patriotism and loyalty.

Blind patriotism is, after all, just as much of an American tradition as dissent.

“The highest patriotism is not a blind acceptance of official policy, but a love of one's country deep enough to call her to a higher plain”

George McGovern
 

backhoeboogie

Well-known member
badaxemoo said:
I'm not proud that I live in country that:

-can't figure out that the economy is here to serve us and not vice-versa

If that is the case, we should send them a pink slip and hire someone else for the job.
 

badaxemoo

Well-known member
backhoeboogie said:
How about hanging of the Dakota Siuox? The largest mass execution in the U.S. history. It happened on Lincoln's watch.

You can find anything if you dig deep enough Badaxe.

This thread was citing things to be proud of. You take no pride in any of it?

I know all about it.

Happened in my home state after the U.S. government repeatedly screwed over the Mdewakanton Dakota.

One of the few men to decry the treatment of the Dakota during that time was a clergyman named Bishop Whipple.

I'm sure if he was alive today, Glenn Beck and the other demagogue talking heads would accuse him of being an un-American, godless liberal who wasn't supporting his country while at the same time defending Lincoln's actions as necessary to protect America in the war against the threat posed by the Dakota.
 

jigs

Well-known member
badaxemoo said:
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I'm proud that I live in country that:

-protects basic, democratic freedoms and rights
-developed the world's first National Park system
-has provided opportunities for immigrants
-usually ends up doing the right thing

I'm not proud that I live in country that:

-has often behaved like an empire when stating it is "protecting freedom"
-has significant portion of the population that doesn't believe in evolution
-can't figure out that the economy is here to serve us and not vice-versa
-takes too much time to learn to do the right thing

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proud of national parks?? opportunities for immigrants yes, illegal immigrants NO

we have people who don't believe in evolution??? OHHH thats right, us right wing Christian wackos....

what is sad is that there are not enough people to understand that the Govt has no money, it STEALS our money to spend on stupid things, like a bridge to nowhere, and forieng aid to countries who hate us... or given to groups who wish for us to never drill again.
this liberal BS is killing the nation I love,.
 

MsSage

Well-known member
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. -Abraham Lincoln
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
badaxemoo said:
Faster horses said:
NO APOLOGIES ACCEPTED


At a time when our president and other politicians tend to apologize for our country's prior actions, here`s a refresher on how some of our former patriots handled negative comments about our country...




These are good

JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when DeGaule decided to pull out of N ATO. DeGaule said he wanted all US military out of France as soon as possible.
Rusk responded "does that include those who are buried here?
DeGuale did not respond.


You could have heard a pin drop





When in England , at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example of empire building by George Bush.
He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the United States has sent many of its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders. The o nly amount of land we have ever asked for in return is enough to bury those that did not return.'


You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There was a conference in France where a number of international engineers were taking part, including French and American. During a break, one of the French engineers came back into the room saying 'Have you heard the latest dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What does he intended to do, bomb them?'
A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they have three cafeterias with the capa city to feed 3,000 people three meals a day, they can produce several thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in transporting victims and injured to and from their flight deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does France have?'



You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian, Australian and French Navies. At a cocktail reception, he found himself standing with a large group of Officers that included personnel from most of those countries. Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that, whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn only English. He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have to speak English in these conf erences rather than speaking French?'
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied, 'Maybe it's because the Brit's, Canadians, Aussie's and Americans arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'


You could have heard a pin drop.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

AND THIS STORY FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE ABOVE...
Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.
"You have been to France before, monsieur?" the customs officer asked sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously.
"Then you should know enough to have your passport ready."
The American said, 'The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it."
"Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France !"
The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained, ''Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country, I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to."



You could have heard a pin drop.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you are proud to be an American, pass this on! If not, delete it.

I am proud to be of this land, AMERICA

Like any other major country, our foreign policy has been a mixed bag of good and bad.

Do you think we maybe should apologize for some of these interventions?

1953 - overthrowing Mohammed Mosaddeq, the democratically elected leader of Iran

1954 - Overthrowing Jacobo Arbenz, the democratically elected President of Guatemala

1973 - CIA-backed coup overthrows democratically elected President Salvador Allende in Chile

And there are others. The history of Central America and the Caribbean, in particular, are rife with U.S. military and CIA interventions that had nothing to do with protecting "democracy" but plenty to do with our own economic and security self-interests.

I doubt that anyone would question the important role our country played in World War II, but to hint that we have always acted like a shining beacon of democracy, particularly in our own hemisphere, is ignorant and ridiculous.

People that believe that apologies are never necessary aren't patriots.

They are ignorant, arrogant idiots.

Problem is people like you and other far left loons are more EAGER to look for things to apologize for more EAGER to find things to fault the U.S. for.

The fact is no nation in the history of the world has had as much power as the U.S. and abused that power less than the U.S.

If your goal is to find fault, there is a few hundred years to find some dirt on, but the fact is when you look at other world power in history and the good vs bad they did the U.S. stand way above the rest.

You liberals always want to look for that small bad to justify not supporting the mass good. You do the same thing with organized religion, you bring up the inquisitions instead of looking at the mass charity that is done around the world.

You are negative feeders that are so miserable in your own pathetic lives you look for misery to share to bring others down to your level. Because rising to the true American Spirit means getting off your azz's and taking some responsibility for your own actions!
 

Faster horses

Well-known member
:clap: :clap:

And this line bothers me, badax:

-has significant portion of the population that doesn't believe in evolution

That's a fundamental problem with you and your thinking.
We are "one nation, under God"...

How can God bless America any more, when God's been
taken out of it--by liberals, of course.
 

badaxemoo

Well-known member
Faster horses said:
:clap: :clap:

And this line bothers me, badax:

-has significant portion of the population that doesn't believe in evolution

That's a fundamental problem with you and your thinking.
We are "one nation, under God"...

How can God bless America any more, when God's been
taken out of it--by liberals, of course.

I suppose it should bother you if you are one of the people who denies the fundamental theory of biology.

But you certainly can't claim that those that believe in God are against the theory of evolution. The Catholic church and most mainline protestant denominations have no problem with evolution.

It's mostly offshoots of the new evangelicals, who really haven't been around all that long, that have been fighting the culture war on that one.

And like the flat-Earthers, they are going to get swept into the dustbin of history.
 

badaxemoo

Well-known member
aplusmnt said:
Problem is people like you and other far left loons are more EAGER to look for things to apologize for more EAGER to find things to fault the U.S. for.

The fact is no nation in the history of the world has had as much power as the U.S. and abused that power less than the U.S.

If your goal is to find fault, there is a few hundred years to find some dirt on, but the fact is when you look at other world power in history and the good vs bad they did the U.S. stand way above the rest.

You liberals always want to look for that small bad to justify not supporting the mass good. You do the same thing with organized religion, you bring up the inquisitions instead of looking at the mass charity that is done around the world.

You are negative feeders that are so miserable in your own pathetic lives you look for misery to share to bring others down to your level. Because rising to the true American Spirit means getting off your azz's and taking some responsibility for your own actions!

The only thing I am eager for is that justice is done. It doesn't cost anything to apologize.

Your claim that no nation in history has had as much power and abused it less than the U.S. is completely subjective and unsupported. Making that sort of judgement call is something even an amateur historian wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

And it is basically meaningless to the Mayan peasant gunned down by a death squad, the Laotian rice farmer blown to smithereens by a bomb, or the Iranian dissident under the Shah's rule rotting away in a prison.

Do these actions balance out the French person liberated from Nazi rule, the African child immunized for polio, or girl going to school in Afghanistan?

I don't know. That assessment is above my pay grade.

And though I could be wrong, I'd be willing to bet that I do a whole hell of a lot more to improve my community than you, sir, and my life is far from miserable.

I just choose to see a few shades of grey instead of wrapping a flag so tightly around my face that I can't see the other people living on the planet.
 
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Anonymous

Guest
badaxemoo said:
Faster horses said:
:clap: :clap:

And this line bothers me, badax:

-has significant portion of the population that doesn't believe in evolution

That's a fundamental problem with you and your thinking.
We are "one nation, under God"...

How can God bless America any more, when God's been
taken out of it--by liberals, of course.

I suppose it should bother you if you are one of the people who denies the fundamental theory of biology.

But you certainly can't claim that those that believe in God are against the theory of evolution. The Catholic church and most mainline protestant denominations have no problem with evolution.

It's mostly offshoots of the new evangelicals, who really haven't been around all that long, that have been fighting the culture war on that one.

And like the flat-Earthers, they are going to get swept into the dustbin of history.

Yep- and what makes me shake my head more- is the fact that some of these are cattle/livestock people that thru years should have seen how genetics evolve- and mutations occur- but because some Pentacostal/evangelical preacher in the south said its wrong- believe we should throw out that science and teaching genetics and how animals evolve....
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
badaxemoo said:
aplusmnt said:
Problem is people like you and other far left loons are more EAGER to look for things to apologize for more EAGER to find things to fault the U.S. for.

The fact is no nation in the history of the world has had as much power as the U.S. and abused that power less than the U.S.

If your goal is to find fault, there is a few hundred years to find some dirt on, but the fact is when you look at other world power in history and the good vs bad they did the U.S. stand way above the rest.

You liberals always want to look for that small bad to justify not supporting the mass good. You do the same thing with organized religion, you bring up the inquisitions instead of looking at the mass charity that is done around the world.

You are negative feeders that are so miserable in your own pathetic lives you look for misery to share to bring others down to your level. Because rising to the true American Spirit means getting off your azz's and taking some responsibility for your own actions!

The only thing I am eager for is that justice is done. It doesn't cost anything to apologize.

Your claim that no nation in history has had as much power and abused it less than the U.S. is completely subjective and unsupported. Making that sort of judgement call is something even an amateur historian wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

And it is basically meaningless to the Mayan peasant gunned down by a death squad, the Laotian rice farmer blown to smithereens by a bomb, or the Iranian dissident under the Shah's rule rotting away in a prison.

Do these actions balance out the French person liberated from Nazi rule, the African child immunized for polio, or girl going to school in Afghanistan?

I don't know. That assessment is above my pay grade.

And though I could be wrong, I'd be willing to bet that I do a whole hell of a lot more to improve my community than you, sir, and my life is far from miserable.

I just choose to see a few shades of grey instead of wrapping a flag so tightly around my face that I can't see the other people living on the planet.

If them kind of assessments are above your pay grade then you must not be making much. Because anyone with half a mind could look at the unquestionable good that America has and continues to do in the world. You list a couple things but the good list is endless, the bad list is pretty short!

When you throw in the charitable good done by American through civilians and not Government backed that list gets even longer and longer.

When it comes to America liberals like you see everything as half empty instead of 7/8 full as it really is!

Problem with you liberals is you see everything as grey and some things are black and white, some things are good and evil, but you see them as grey. I guess grey is the color of the inside of a rectum because you obviously have your head up your butt!
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
badaxemoo said:
Faster horses said:
:clap: :clap:

And this line bothers me, badax:

-has significant portion of the population that doesn't believe in evolution

That's a fundamental problem with you and your thinking.
We are "one nation, under God"...

How can God bless America any more, when God's been
taken out of it--by liberals, of course.

I suppose it should bother you if you are one of the people who denies the fundamental theory of biology.

But you certainly can't claim that those that believe in God are against the theory of evolution. The Catholic church and most mainline protestant denominations have no problem with evolution.

It's mostly offshoots of the new evangelicals, who really haven't been around all that long, that have been fighting the culture war on that one.

And like the flat-Earthers, they are going to get swept into the dustbin of history.

Yep- and what makes me shake my head more- is the fact that some of these are cattle/livestock people that thru years should have seen how genetics evolve- and mutations occur- but because some Pentacostal/evangelical preacher in the south said its wrong- believe we should throw out that science and teaching genetics and how animals evolve....

If you think evolving genetics in cattle is a reason to believe that living matter could evolve from an inanimate object then you are slower than I thought.

Anytime you wish to explain how living matter can come from non living matter I am more than willing to listen! Please explain how you can take a rock and make something living from it?

I anxiously await your explanation!
 

aplusmnt

Well-known member
badaxemoo said:
And though I could be wrong, I'd be willing to bet that I do a whole hell of a lot more to improve my community than you, sir, and my life is far from miserable.

Odd are not in your favor on that bet, liberals are more lip service than actual service. This has been shown and proven. Us Conservatives give and do more than liberals. Liberals are usually all talk and no walk. 20/20 did a special on Conservative giving vs Liberal and liberals came up wanting!
 
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