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No AR-15 At Naval Yard?

Mike

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Had a recent "Secret" clearance?


(CNN) -- It has been called the most popular rifle in America, and it briefly returned to the spotlight after Monday's shooting at the Navy Yard: the AR-15.

A U.S. law enforcement official said Monday that gunman Aaron Alexis unleashed a barrage of bullets using an AR-15, a rifle and a semi-automatic handgun. Authorities believed the AR-15 was used for most of the shooting, the official said. The news prompted Sen. Dianne Feinstein, one of the strongest proponents of a ban on assault weapons like the AR-15, to issue a statement the same day asking, "When will enough be enough?"

However, federal law enforcement sources told CNN Tuesday that authorities have recovered three weapons from the scene of the mass shooting, including one -- a shotgun -- that investigators believe Alexis brought in to the compound. The other two weapons, which sources say were handguns, may have been taken from guards at the Navy complex.

The sources, who have detailed knowledge of the investigation, cautioned that initial information that an AR-15 was used in the shootings may have been incorrect. It is believed that Alexis had rented an AR-15, but returned it before Monday morning's shootings. Authorities are still investigating precisely how many weapons Alexis had access to and when.

The FBI identified Aaron Alexis, a 34-year-old military contractor from Texas, as the dead suspect involved in the shooting rampage at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, September 16. Authorities said at least 12 people -- and the suspect -- were killed in the shooting.


Alexis appears to have had sporadic run-ins with the law, dating back to at least 2004. Authorities are still searching for more information about him, and they're asking members of the public for help.


CNN obtained a series of images of Alexis from Kristi Suthamtewakul, the wife of the suspect's friend and former roommate Nutpisit Suthamtewakul -- the owner of the Happy Bowl Thai restaurant in Fort Worth, Texas, where Alexis used to work.


Nutpisit Suthamtewakul reeled at the news that Alexis was believed to be a gunman in the rampage at the Navy Yard. "I can't believe he did this," he said. "He never showed any sign of violence."


Alexis, who was from New York, served as a full-time Navy reservist between 2007 and 2011, according to military records.


His last known address was outside Fort Worth, Texas.


Authorities have not released a possible motive for the shooting.

Regardless, the massacre pushed the AR-15 back into the gun-control debate. The weapon has been used in several other rampages that shocked the nation:

-- Sandy Hook: Adam Lanza killed 26 people at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, with an AR-15 in December 2012.

-- Aurora: Police say James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58 using an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.

-- Portland: Jacob Tyler Roberts stole an AR-15 and killed two people in a mall food court in December 2012.

-- Santa Monica: John Zawahri allegedly pieced together an AR-15-type gun and went on a rampage that started at his father's home and ended at Santa Monica College in June. Five people were killed.

More or fewer guns

Advocates for tighter gun laws don't want to see the semi-automatic cousin of the military-issue M4 assault rifle in the hands of civilians.

"Almost every mass shooting involves an AR-15 assault rifle," Staff Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford told CNN's Piers Morgan Monday night.

"It's the preferred mass shooter's weapon of choice," added Lunsford, who was wounded by Maj. Nidal Hasan during the Ft. Hood shooting in 2009.

"But I don't see a logical reason why any civilian needs to have one of these killing machines."

Gun ownership proponents, on the other hand, say the solution lies in more guns, not fewer.

That's precisely the point CNN commentator and pro-gun activist Ben Ferguson made to Morgan.

Armed security guards aren't enough, he said. Once a gunman gets past them, they are no longer effective.

"When you allow a military base to be infiltrated by an individual like this... at that point he has free rein," Ferguson said.

Had the contractor and civilians working in the Navy Yard been armed, they could have gunned down the gunman and stopped the shooting quickly.

Morgan, who has dedicated many hours of his show to gun violence in the United States, did not seem hopeful that there will be a resolution soon to the controversial issue, even after the latest slaughter.

"I want the day to come where we don't have to have this ridiculous debate time and again in America," he said in frustration. "I just cannot have this debate anymore. It is ridiculous."

Efficient but deadly

The AR-15 is an efficient killing machine that originated as a U.S. Army rifle, military documents say. At the time, it was a fully automatic weapon.

The Army tested it as early as 1958.

It was said to be more effective than its predecessor, the M14, and showed distinct advantages against the AK-47, the weapon carried by the United States' opponent in the Vietnam War, the Viet Cong.

It led to a surge in military purchases during the mid-1960s. Eventually the AR-15 was further developed into the M16 rifle.

The original M16 patent ran out years ago, and now the AR-15 is manufactured by several gun makers.

The AR-15 has since become a semiautomatic rifle, firing one bullet per squeeze of the trigger. But like the M16, ammunition is loaded through a magazine.

In the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, police say Lanza's rifle used numerous 30-round magazines.

An AR-15 is usually capable of firing a rate of 45 rounds per minute in semi-automatic mode.

Under the 1994 federal ban on such weapons, buying some variants of new AR-15s was against the law. The ban expired in 2004.

It's easy to get an AR-15. They can be purchased online or in a gun store. Online purchases are sent to a gun store for pick-up and a background check is still required.

Early Tuesday, one online retailer had a special running: Plunk down $999, and it can be delivered to the gun retailer of your choice in 10 days.

Political deadlock

The gunfire in the nation's capital quickly drew echoes from Washington politicians.

Some, like Feinstein, renewed their calls for restrictions on semi-automatic weapons.

The California Democrat, one of the strongest proponents of a ban on assault rifles, called for Congressional action. "We must do more to stop this endless loss of life," she said.

The new mass shooting is nothing new, bemoaned Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia. "We are becoming far too familiar with senseless, tragic violence. This is the seventh shooting since 2009, and these repeated incidents demand our attention," he said.

But their words will likely fade away, said Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia. The broad support for gun ownership in Congress is too strong.

He doesn't think the shooting will be enough to sway the 60 votes a gun control measure would need to break a Republican filibuster.

Efforts to push gun control legislation through Congress led by Vice President Joe Biden after the Sandy Hook tragedy have run aground.

The National Rifle Association did not respond to a request for comment Monday. The gun rights organization has typically not responded to similar shootings immediately.

CNN's Dana Bash and Bryan Koenig contributed to this report.
 

kolanuraven

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This is an unfair post.



When someone is shooting at you or around you.....you don't take the time to determine the type of weapon...you just haul azz

It was a long gun, but happened to be a shotgun.


Either way, AR or shotgun...dead is dead if you get hit.

All these self proclaimed ' heros' here on this site, ya'll would trample each other to pulp trying to get away if this was to happen to you.
 

Larrry

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kolanuraven said:
This is an unfair post.



When someone is shooting at you or around you.....you don't take the time to determine the type of weapon...you just haul azz

It was a long gun, but happened to be a shotgun.


Either way, AR or shotgun...dead is dead if you get hit.

All these self proclaimed ' heros' here on this site, ya'll would trample each other to pulp trying to get away if this was to happen to you.

We'd love for you to offer us some thoughtful insight. Still waiting
 

kolanuraven

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Larrry said:
kolanuraven said:
This is an unfair post.



When someone is shooting at you or around you.....you don't take the time to determine the type of weapon...you just haul azz

It was a long gun, but happened to be a shotgun.


Either way, AR or shotgun...dead is dead if you get hit.

All these self proclaimed ' heros' here on this site, ya'll would trample each other to pulp trying to get away if this was to happen to you.

We'd love for you to offer us some thoughtful insight. Still waiting


Insight into what?

When someone shoots at you...you run.
 

kolanuraven

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loomixguy said:
Why not shoot back instead of run?


If you where you can...sure...blast the b'tard!!


BUT....when you work in the Navy Yard of Washington DC....you expect and have the right to expect that you are safe via their security levels.

But, not everyone lives in the wild West of Red Cloud NE!
 

hopalong

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That is not the liberal way...... kolo=jingo=lulu=allie,, is that how our solders are taught to do???? Our police??? no wonder your life is so screwed up :roll: :roll:
 

Larrry

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Never fear law enforcement is there to save is huh

I still think this is a fake story, after this was a gun free zone
 

kolanuraven

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Larrry said:
Never fear law enforcement is there to save is huh

I still think this is a fake story, after this was a gun free zone

WTH???

You think 12 dead people is a fake story?

Damn....................
 

iwannabeacowboy

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You are correct, they couldn't tell what type of gun was being used. So why claim a specific model of a specific type of long gun?

I can promise you that most hunters can tell the difference in the type of gun being used from some distance. A rifle has a much narrower barrel and the sound is different, very different.

You need to just settle down and admit that there is a purpose in throwing out the term AR 15 and tea party any time there is a problem. It has happened over and over.

By the way, it was the media reporting that it had to be an ar because it shoots in three round bursts. I don't own one and know that is bs.... Very much bs.


Have a coke and a smile. Its early.
 

kolanuraven

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iwannabeacowboy said:
You are correct, they couldn't tell what type of gun was being used. So why claim a specific model of a specific type of long gun?

I can promise you that most hunters can tell the difference in the type of gun being used from some distance. A rifle has a much narrower barrel and the sound is different, very different.

You need to just settle down and admit that there is a purpose in throwing out the term AR 15 and tea party any time there is a problem. It has happened over and over.

By the way, it was the media reporting that it had to be an ar because it shoots in three round bursts. I don't own one and know that is bs.... Very much bs.


Have a coke and a smile. Its early.



Because practically every shooting that we've had in the most recent years has been an AR....it's a logical assumption.


Most hunters would know the diff. BUT these were city folks.

So it's their fault now?

I'd say if someone were shooting at your narrow arse, the first thing you're gonna tell someone when asked is, " Well it sounded like a 308...but I could be wrong...maybe a 306 or 30-30. But then again, I'm thinking it sounded like a ### grain bullet, hollow point maybe.... prob Remington brand."

Get real......
 

hopalong

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do not forget they were on a military base!! military people know weapons.

Boston bombers used AR?????

kolo=jingo=lulu=allie you are using the same logic as the media.... last time it was so must be this time...
' :roll: :roll: :roll: Kinda like you and your assumptions :D :D :D :D
 

Steve

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Because practically every shooting that we've had in the most recent years has been an AR.

two of the last.. how many... ?

There Will Be Another Mass Shooting. This Is What the Data Tells Us About It

As for the type of weapon, the database did most of the work on this, too. Not every shooter used a semi-automatic handgun, but at each of the workplace or "other" events, such a weapon was the most common one present.

The next mass shooting will take place on February 12, 2014, in Spokane, Washington. It will be committed by an emotionally disturbed, 38 year-old white man who will kill seven people and wound six more at a place he used to work using a semi-automatic handgun he purchased legally in the state.

That, at least, is what a look at the data on past such shootings might indicate.

incidentally handguns are the most regulated and hardest to buy legally...

I believe the most important factor missed in all this "data"..
Since Obama became president, there's been a shooting every three months

and no it isn't about him,.. but instead about the stagnate economy...

most times, you lose a job,.. you go get another.. today.. that isn't happening so desperation sets in..


and like any loss anger is part of the healing process.. a healthy mind often can move past that loss.. and realize things may eventually get better..
 

Steve

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below is a chart showing the breakdown since 1982 or 30 plus years..

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so of those 28,.. how many were AR-15s?

I have found two,... I wouldn't say that is "MOST"... just shoddy reporting by our media again,...
 

Whitewing

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kolanuraven said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
You are correct, they couldn't tell what type of gun was being used. So why claim a specific model of a specific type of long gun?

I can promise you that most hunters can tell the difference in the type of gun being used from some distance. A rifle has a much narrower barrel and the sound is different, very different.

You need to just settle down and admit that there is a purpose in throwing out the term AR 15 and tea party any time there is a problem. It has happened over and over.

By the way, it was the media reporting that it had to be an ar because it shoots in three round bursts. I don't own one and know that is bs.... Very much bs.


Have a coke and a smile. Its early.



Because practically every shooting that we've had in the most recent years has been an AR....it's a logical assumption.


Most hunters would know the diff. BUT these were city folks.

So it's their fault now?

I'd say if someone were shooting at your narrow arse, the first thing you're gonna tell someone when asked is, " Well it sounded like a 308...but I could be wrong...maybe a 306 or 30-30. But then again, I'm thinking it sounded like a ### grain bullet, hollow point maybe.... prob Remington brand."

Get real......

What if the media had tried a novel approach and said something like.....at this point the nature of the weapon used is undetermined....?

I'm guessing tossing facts into the story is asking too much. :roll:
 

Whitewing

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Steve said:
so of those 28,.. how many were AR-15s?

I have found two,... I wouldn't say that is "MOST"... just shoddy reporting by our media again,...

Cut the woman some slack Steve, she's probably a hook, line and sinker kind of gal. I'm betting that, like OT, she ran with that hope & change thingy too. :lol:
 

Larrry

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kolanuraven said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
You are correct, they couldn't tell what type of gun was being used. So why claim a specific model of a specific type of long gun?

I can promise you that most hunters can tell the difference in the type of gun being used from some distance. A rifle has a much narrower barrel and the sound is different, very different.

You need to just settle down and admit that there is a purpose in throwing out the term AR 15 and tea party any time there is a problem. It has happened over and over.

By the way, it was the media reporting that it had to be an ar because it shoots in three round bursts. I don't own one and know that is bs.... Very much bs.


Have a coke and a smile. Its early.



Because practically every shooting that we've had in the most recent years has been an AR....it's a logical assumption.


Most hunters would know the diff. BUT these were city folks.

So it's their fault now?

I'd say if someone were shooting at your narrow arse, the first thing you're gonna tell someone when asked is, " Well it sounded like a 308...but I could be wrong...maybe a 306 or 30-30. But then again, I'm thinking it sounded like a ### grain bullet, hollow point maybe.... prob Remington brand."

Get real......

Now kola you are a smart girl, you don't truly believe the crap you posted do you. I can't think you did, you are smarter than that aren't you
I hope its only PMS
 
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