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No body killed last week in Iraq

aplusmnt

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Just watched a Bill O'Reilly show I think it was Thursdays show. And he pointed out that no Iraqi or American was killed last week in Iraq. Now I assume that he is correct or every Liberal would be all over his comment.

If this is so then how could this not be one of the biggest stories to hit the stand in a long time? If a soldier breaks a finger nail it is a lead story for the last 4 years or so. But now we go a complete week with no casualties and no one is reporting it?

Just shows you how bias the media is. They refuse to report anything of positive happenings. How can we trust a media that would not make this a big story.

Can you imagine in WWII if they went a week without any deaths, there would have been cheering and parades in the streets. People would have been uplifted and their resolve fortified.
 
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Anonymous

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Why would anyone even bother to "be all over his comment?" It's ridiculous on the face of it. People are killed every day, in every country. From Friday, Oct. 26, 2007:

"The daily Iraqi violence report is compiled by McClatchy Newspapers Special Correspondents in Baghdad from police, military and medical reports. This is not a comprehensive list of all violence in Iraq, much of which goes unreported. It’s posted without editing as transmitted to McClatchy’s Washington Bureau.

Baghdad

Three bodies were found in Baghdad today in the following neighborhoods (1 body in Ur, 1 body in Bayaa and 1 body in Amil).

Kirkuk

Gunmen killed Fahima Hussein Mohammed,a nurse works in Hawija central hospital in Hawija town west of Kirkuk. Police said that the gunmen opened fire on the nurse while while she was inside her house, Fahima was injured seriously and she died while moving her to the hospital.

Two policemen were wounded when an IED exploded targeting their patrol on Kirkuk – Mosul street north of Kirkuk around 10,30 am

2007 mcClatchy Newspapers

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/212/story/20865.html
 
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Anonymous

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Thursday, October 25, 2997

"The daily Iraq violence report is complied by McClatchy Newspapers Special Correspondents in Baghdad from police, military and medical reports. This is not a comprehensive list of all violence in Iraq, much of which goes unreported. It's posted without editing as transmitted to McClatchy's Washington Bureau.

Baghdad

- Around 3 p.m., three roadside bombs exploded before being defused by American experts at Muskar Al-Rashid ( Al-Rashid camp) area . No casualties recorded as the road was clear by the American troops.

- Police found 5 unidentified bodies in the following neighborhoods in Baghdad : (4) bodies were found in west Baghdad ( Karkh bank) ; 2 in Doura , 1 in Amil and 1 in Ealam . While (1)body was found in Zafaraniyah neighborhood in east Baghdad ( Risafa bank).

Diwaniya

- Police arrested ( 50 ) suspected men during the last week ,including a cleric who gives his fatwa ( permission ) to kill police and army, in Diwaniya ( 181 km south Baghdad)."
 
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Anonymous

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007:

The daily Iraqi violence report is compiled by McClatchy Newspapers Special Correspondents in Baghdad from police, military and medical reports. This is not a comprehensive list of all violence in Iraq, much of which goes unreported. It’s posted without editing as transmitted to McClatchy’s Washington Bureau.

"Baghdad

4 civilians were killed and 25 were injured in two IEDs explosions that targeted civilians near Al Reyadh mosque in Jisr Diyala town south Baghdad around 6,45 am.

3 people including 2 national police members were wounded in an IED explosion that targeted a national police patrol near the Islamic Party Center in Al Qadisiyah neighborhood west Baghdad around 8,00 am.

2 people, a civilian and a policeman were wounded when mortar shell hit Zayuna neighborhood east Baghdad around 4,00 pm.

Police found 6 bodies in Baghdad today. 4 bodies were found in Karkh, the eastern side of Baghdad in the following neighborhoods (2 bodies in Amil and 2 bodies in Doura”. 2 bodies were found in Sadr city and Shaab neighborhood in the east side of Baghdad

Kirkuk

2 guards working for the head of the Turkmen trend were injured in an IED explosion that targeted their vehicle in Al Wasiti neighborhood downtown Kirkuk city yesterday night.

Gunmen kidnapped one of the employees of Hawija electricity directorate near Al Ahnaf village west of Kirkuk city yesterday night.

Police found a body in Al Sadir village in Hawija town west Kirkuk yesterday night.

Diyala

3 civilians were killed and 25 others wounded when mortar shells hit Hibhib village, part of Khalis town north of Baquba city around 5,45 pm.

Gunmen broke in a house killing a father with his two sons in Zaghanya village north of Baquba city around 6 pm."
 
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Anonymous

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Tuesday, October 23, 2007:

"The daily Iraq violence report is compiled by McClatchy Newspapers Special Correspondents in Baghdad from police, military and medical reports. This is not a comprehensive list of all violence in Iraq, much of which goes unreported. It's posted without editing as transmitted to McClatchy's Washington Bureau.

Baghdad

- Around 7:45 a.m. a road side bomb targeted a police vehicle in Zafaraniyah, injuring a policeman.

- Around 10 a.m. a road side bomb targeted civilians on a main road in Zayuna, injuring a policeman.

- Around 12:30 p.m., gunmen attacked police guarding Al Mamoun Intermediate School in west Baghdad. Two policemen and two gunmen were killed and one gunman was injured.

- Police found 4 dead bodies throughout Baghdad. 1 in Qahira, 1 in Mansour, 1 in Amil, 1 in Doura.

Salahuddin

- Coalition forces reported 11 people died, including five woman and a child, in an air raid over north Samarra. In a statement, U.S. forces attributed the casualty count to "local nationals." A Tikrit hospital official said the raid killed 12 people, including five women, and injured nine. Iraqi police said the raid occurred over Mikashifa, 25 kilometers south of Tikrit.

- Gunmen kidnapped engineer Qusai Hassan on a main road in Tikrit today. Hassan works in housing and rebuilding office in Tikrit.

Kirkuk

- An IED inside a car exploded on a main road south of Kirkuk today. The driver was injured several near by cars were damaged in the explosion.

- Police found the body of Omed Hassan a member of the Kurdish security force known as Asayish near a cemetery south east of Kirkuk last night. Police said Hassan was found killed in his car with multiple gunshots to the head.

- A land mine exploded in Al Jadaida village west Kirkuk yesterday. Qadir Awad, a shepherd, was killed in the explosion.

- A bomb, concealed in a package, injured two members of a family in Kirkuk on Monday. The package was given to the family as a present, according to police.

- A foreign protection convoy shot and injured citizen Zirak Youness, 21, on a main road connects Kirkuk and Makhmour last night. The man, who lost an eyem, was treated at the Arbil hospital emergency room.

2007 McClatchy Newspapers"
 
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Anonymous

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Monday, October 22, 2007:

"The daily Iraqi violence report is compiled by McClatchy Newspapers Special Correspondents in Baghdad from police, military and medical reports. This is not a comprehensive list of all violence in Iraq, much of which goes unreported. It’s posted without editing as transmitted to McClatchy’s Washington Bureau.

Baghdad

Two civilians were killed and eight others wounded in two IEDs explosions in Zafaraniyah district southeast Baghdad around 7,00 am.

Two civilians were killed and thirteen others injured in an IED explosion near al Elwiyah operator in Karrada neighborhood downtown Baghdad around 9,30 am. 3 cars and two shops were damaged in the explosion.

An Iraqi soldier was killed and two others wounded in an IED explosion that targeted their patrol in Al Jamia’a neighborhood west Baghdad around 3,00 pm.

Police found five unidentified bodies today. Four bodies were found in Karkh, the western side of Baghdad in the following neighborhoods (1 body in Mansour, 1 body in Amil, 1 body in Saidiyah and 1 body in Doura.) the fifth body was found in New Baghdad neighborhood in the

Babil

Two civilians were killed in an IED explosion in Al Mahawil town (15 Kms north of Hilla city) today morning.

Gunmen killed and engineer in Eskandariyah town north of Hilla city around 10,00 am.

A civilian was killed when a mortar shell hit his house in Eskandariyah town today morning.

Karbala

Five gunmen were killed and four civilians were wounded in clashes between the security forces and gunmen in Al Hur area (3 Kms west of Karbala city)yesterday night. Police said that the clashes broke out around 9,00 pm and lasted until 2 am adding that 30 people were arrested and curfew was imposed in the area.

Kirkuk

Security forces found two unidentified bodies in Lailan district southeast Kirkuk today morning. The bodies were eye folded and hand cuffed and signs of bullets were on them.

Nineveh

A policeman was killed and four civilians were wounded in an IED explosion near the third bridge inside Mosul city north of Baghdad around 2,00 pm.

2007 McClatchy Newspapers"
 

Mike

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From looking at the injuries and casualties list that may or may not be correct, I'd bet more people in the USA have been wounded or killed than in the Iraq War in the same amount of time.

I'd bet the cost is higher too.
 

aplusmnt

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I believe the results are death due to military conflicts or terrorist activity. If there was none for a week that is pretty big news. That has not happened in over 4 years.

Even if you don't look at the Iraqi's killed. For a week to go by with out one of our soldiers dying is pretty big stinking news in war time. And no media are reporting it!

They are afraid it will show the surge is working and shed a positive light on Bush and the Republicans which will hurt Hillary's chances and they will do anything the can to make sure Hillary gets elected!

No Soldier died in a weeks time! Major War Time News! The kind that gives Americans hope!
 
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Anonymous

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aplusmnt said:
I believe the results are death due to military conflicts or terrorist activity. If there was none for a week that is pretty big news. That has not happened in over 4 years.

Spin, spin, spin. You claimed O'reilly said "no Iraqi or American was killed last week in Iraq". The facts I posted shows the very minimum of Iraqis killed last week. And some of them certainlly died from military conflicts or terrorist activity. Did O'reilly lie or is he just stupid?

Even if you don't look at the Iraqi's killed. For a week to go by with out one of our soldiers dying is pretty big stinking news in war time. And no media are reporting it!

They are afraid it will show the surge is working and shed a positive light on Bush and the Republicans which will hurt Hillary's chances and they will do anything the can to make sure Hillary gets elected!

No Soldier died in a weeks time! Major War Time News! The kind that gives Americans hope!

You're pretty pitiful. American military members did die this week. Seaman Anamarie Sannicolas Camacho, 20, of Panama City, Fla, and
Seaman Genesia Mattril Gresham, 19, of Lithonia, Ga, both died on October 22. Not soliders, but proudly serving this country in uniform. My condolences to the families. Another member of the US military died on October 24th in military operations near Bavyii (sp?). His name has not yet been released, pending notification of his family.

And the above assumes that you believe what our military is reporting in Iraq. I don't. But even their reports show American military members died this week.

You have a short memory. The surge was supposed to bring "breathing space" to Baghdad so the Iraqi government could come together and pass some laws to unite the country. That hasn't happened. Therefore, the surge is a failure, even as more Americans died and billions more American dollars disappeared down the rat holes of corruption.

Yet Republicans stand firm against spending money on insurance for poor kids in the US. :eek: That shows me which party I'm proud to support.
 

kolanuraven

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Al-Sadr has announced that he's about to call off his cease fire that's been semi in place for a few months now.


When that happens.....more..lots more blood will flow for sure.
 
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Anonymous

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kolanuraven said:
Al-Sadr has announced that he's about to call off his cease fire that's been semi in place for a few months now.


When that happens.....more..lots more blood will flow for sure.

They've pretty well run all the Sunnis out of the southern region of the country and it's still a war zone. The Brits are leaving and now the battles are between different Shiite militias. The Iranians are very, very influencial in that area and there's nothing we can do about it. That region contains some of the largest oil reserves in the country. Plus it's the way out when someone finally decides to bring our troops and equipment home from this mess.
 

Mike

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Yet Republicans stand firm against spending money on insurance for poor kids in the US.

You're a lowdown, lying sack of crap.

The Republicans are not against helping poor kids with insurance.

It's the escalation of the Chips program to include those that make enough money to buy their own insurance they're against!

If they vote for this one, what's next? Free insurance for everyone?

Nothing is free. Nothing! You're nothing but a Socialist!

Insurance is NOT a Constitutional right. The families of those poor people have had every opportunity to work for insurance just like I do.

This is just another example of "Entitlements" climbing up the social ladder until EVERYONE is on board!

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October 17, 2007
Children’s Health Bill Dispute Turns to Income Limits

By ROBERT PEAR
WASHINGTON, Oct. 16 — It is the $83,000 question: Could children with that amount of family income qualify for subsidized health insurance under the bipartisan bill passed by Congress and vetoed by President Bush?

When the House votes Thursday on whether to override the veto, Republicans will insist that the answer is yes. They will express outrage that rich children could get coverage from the government while hundreds of thousands of poor children still go uninsured.

Democrats say it is a total distortion for Mr. Bush and his Republican allies to say that the bill allows coverage with family incomes up to $83,000 a year.

Who is right? Each side appears to overstate its case. The bill does not encourage or prohibit coverage of children with family incomes at that level.

Of the 6.6 million children now covered by the program, most come from families with incomes well below $83,000, and the bill would give states financial incentives to sign up low-income children who are eligible but not enrolled.

In general, children with family incomes below the poverty level ($20,650 for a family of four) are eligible for Medicaid. The State Children’s Health Insurance Program is meant for families with too much income to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to afford private insurance.

Mr. Bush said Monday that the bill would expand eligibility for the program up to $83,000.

But Senator Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah and an architect of the bill, said Tuesday that the president’s argument was specious. “About 92 percent of the kids will be under 200 percent of the poverty level,” Mr. Hatch said at a news conference with supporters of the bill, including the singer Paul Simon.

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Anonymous

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Mike said:
You're a lowdown, lying sack of crap.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The truth hurts, doesn't it? The "threat" of government insurance is losing it's edge. Like the "threat" of terrorists blowing up the country, people are getting over it.

"Democrats enjoy a big political advantage over Republicans on health care, a year before a U.S. election in which it's going to be a major issue.

Americans, by a more than 2-to-1 margin, say Democratic presidential candidates have better overall solutions to health- care questions than do Republicans, according to a new Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll.

Presidential candidates of both parties have placed the issue at the top of their agendas amid growing voter concern about health costs -- rising at about double the annual rate of wages -- and the 47 million people who lack insurance.

Americans also back Democrats when presented with specific plans to deal with these issues: Just over half those surveyed say they favor requiring everyone to buy insurance; barring insurers from turning people down or charging extra for medical reasons; and subsidizing those who can't afford coverage. Those proposals have been offered by Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards.

`It's important to help people who can't buy insurance on their own,'' said Pearl Stephenson, 58, a Republican in Oak Park, Michigan, in a follow-up interview. ``I'm a retired Detroit teacher, so I have my health insurance, but it's a problem in America. It would influence who I vote for.''

People who identify themselves as Democrats overwhelmingly back their party's candidates, with more than eight out of 10 saying they have the best ideas on health issues. Four out of 10 independents like the Democrats' proposals, while just 15 percent of independents favor those of Republicans. About six in 10 Republicans favor the plans put forward by their party's candidates.

Across Party Lines

Support for proposals by Democratic candidates crossed party lines.

Almost half of Republicans surveyed say they like the idea of requiring large businesses to either offer insurance to their workers or pay a tax to help cover the costs of those who can't afford it on their own, a plan put forth by Clinton, 59, Edwards, 54, and Illinois Senator Barack Obama, 46. More than seven out of 10 Democrats and more than six out of 10 independents support that approach.

Americans back Democrats' ideas partly because the Republicans haven't been as detailed in their proposals, said Jason Furman, director of the Hamilton Project policy initiative at Brookings Institution, a Washington research group.

`Front and Center'

Democratic candidates have ``put the issue front and center in the campaign,'' said Furman, a former aide in President Bill Clinton's administration.

The poll of 1,209 adults was taken Oct. 19-22. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Forty-four percent of those surveyed supported a core health-care proposal by Republican candidates: tax credits to make insurance more affordable without limiting the ability of insurance companies' to decide who they cover and at what charge.

Republican candidates including former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, 63, Senator John McCain, 71, of Arizona and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, 60, have incorporated similar suggestions in their proposals. Instead of expanding the government's role in providing or monitoring health insurance, their plans rely on markets to bring costs down and give people more choice and tax credits to help them afford coverage.

Fear Losing Coverage

Employer-provided health benefits cover about half the people in the U.S., according to a 2007 survey by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Those who have to buy insurance on their own may face higher costs or difficulties getting coverage if they have pre-existing medical problems.

Among those surveyed in the Bloomberg/L.A. Times poll, 13 percent say they or someone in their household is staying in a job they don't want because they fear losing health coverage. This concern was expressed by 11 percent of those making more than $100,000, and 15 percent of those making less than $40,000.

``You might not be able to get another job that offered benefits and it can be more expensive to get on your own,'' said Arlene Thorne, 53, from Port Chester, New York, who works as an administrator for a company and has a household income of more than $100,000. ``The health system doesn't work. There's nothing more to say about it.''

Fifty-three percent of respondents say they support a government-run, government-financed national health program to cover all Americans.

Clinton and Edwards have both proposed creating a national health plan to compete with private insurance plans, with Edwards saying this would be a way to test what sort of system Americans preferred.

Republican candidates reject that idea.

Among Democrats, 64 percent like the idea of a government- organized and financed health program, as did 51 percent of independents and 30 percent of Republicans."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601073&sid=aGV2_yJZeRb0&refer=election
 

Tex

Well-known member
I think we need a better definition of "employment". If it doesn't pay a living wage (with health care) it shouldn't be counted as "full employment". Heck--I pay my kids based on the jobs they do on their allowance chart---ARE THEY FULLY EMPLOYED?

Measuring jobs based on unemployment claims is not the same as assessing the actual employed in the country. Payroll taxes are paid on earnings to the federal government. It should be real easy to ascertain from these numbers how many people are earning enough to be considered fully employed.

We need to stop these games of words Washington is so easily caught up in.
 

kolanuraven

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Mike said:
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Insurance is NOT a Constitutional right. The families of those poor people have had every opportunity to work for insurance just like I do.
Mike said:
This is a much too simplistic view.

If someone has to work to pay the bills and feed the kids at whatever job might be available in his area and his employer can't afford an insurance package for his employees....well then it's tough shite for a lot of people.

Not everyone lives near an area that has well paying jobs nor does everyone have the training nor skills for a higher paying job.

This could be due to many, many reasons that might have been beyond their control. Is that their fault? No.
 

Red Robin

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kolanuraven said:
Mike said:
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Insurance is NOT a Constitutional right. The families of those poor people have had every opportunity to work for insurance just like I do.
Mike said:
This is a much too simplistic view.

If someone has to work to pay the bills and feed the kids at whatever job might be available in his area and his employer can't afford an insurance package for his employees....well then it's tough shite for a lot of people.

Not everyone lives near an area that has well paying jobs nor does everyone have the training nor skills for a higher paying job.

This could be due to many, many reasons that might have been beyond their control. Is that their fault? No.
KRaven would you be for an insurance that gives the worker the tax break for the cost of insurance, instead of the employer and is portable when you leave your job?
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
Portable & a tax break would be good but he's got to be able to afford it in the first place. That's the bigger problem. If you've got nothing extra after survival is taken care of....you got " zip" for an insurance payment.


So the insurance ' world' would have to be worked over to allow people to afford the insurance.

I don't know ' the fix' as there are soooo many variables..but something's got to get done.

If you've thousands/millions of people w/o any form of ins...a lot of them are too proud for accept welfare, etc and if a major contagious epidemic breaks out.....man, that's just a train wreck waiting to happen.


Preventive care is the corner stone to whole issue...people need access and affordability in that area.
 
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