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katrina

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For Cindy Nooney's 3-year-old twin boys, playing with the Thomas the Train set at their local bookstore in Southern California is a major thrill. Jack and Sam push Thomas, Arthur and friends down the track, they run around the table, jump up and down — and, of course, they squeeeaal.

Nooney expects as much in the children's section of the store. But on a recent afternoon, she was surprised by an employee who confronted her, calling her darling Jack a tyrant.

“He was a little loud but this is a children’s section,” says Nooney. "They run a noisy, cavernous bookstore but they don’t want kids to make any noise? It just seems ridiculous and leads me to believe that they don’t want kids, they want silent kids.”

The bookstore is not the only place that likes quiet, controlled children — and isn't afraid to say so. Across the nation, there are signs of a low-burning uprising against children supposedly behaving badly in public.

Eateries from California to Massachusetts have posted signs on doors and menus saying “We love children, especially when they are tucked in chairs and well behaved” or “Kids must use indoor voices.” In North Carolina an online petition was started last year to establish child-free restaurants — the petition loosely compared dining with children to dining with cigarette smoke.

In response to an MSNBC.com story about the controversy over pets in public places, some readers wrote in to say they'd much rather see a dog at dinner, the movies or the mall than little "cretins." Dogs are better behaved, they smell better and they're much cuter, wrote one reader.

Josephine Charlton, a public relations consultant in West Hollywood, Calif., says she loves children but feels they are becoming public nuisances nonetheless. Her local Whole Foods has been overrun by “breeders” with an oversized sense of entitlement, she says, museums are now inappropriately clogged with strollers, and even first-class travel has morphed into "Romper Room" in the air.

“You can’t work on planes anymore because of kids running around,” says Charlton. She recalls a recent flight when parents allowed their toddler son to run up and down the aisle in first-class. “My friend said, ‘Hey, would you mind watching your child?’ You would’ve thought he wanted to nail the kid to a cross!”

Charlton, who doesn’t have children but describes herself as an adoring godmother of two, says too many parents act as if the earth revolves around their children, and the general public should treat them as such. Yet kids are more out of control than ever, she says.

Is it true? Are children these days allowed to run amok like never before? Has public etiquette gone to hell in a hand basket or — er — a Dora The Explorer backpack? Or is society simply becoming more intolerant of little tikes?
 

the_jersey_lilly_2000

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I'm gonna comment on this knowing full well I should prolly keep my mouth shut LOL

For the most part, kids are fine, anywhere I go. But there are always gonna be the occasional lil screamin kickin brat that needs their hiney warmed a time or two to make em act right. I'm a firm believer that the spankings kids get when they are young teach them a whole heck of a lot about how to act in public as well as at home.

You see moms and dads that are at their ropes end on what to do to make their kid mind.......but they haven't paddled that behind. I got my fair share of them when I was a kid, and my kids have had their fair share of them too. But I can and always have been able to take my kids anywhere with me with confidence that they'll act right.

Example: Recent trip to the grocery store. A kid prolly 7 or 8 years old......screamin and puttin on an act that shoulda won an oscar. You could hear him all over the store.....from isle to isle...it got louder. Finally meeting on an isle with this mom that was oblivious (so it seemed) to what her kid was doin. He was carrying a cake mix and somethin else.....cryin wantin to put it in the basket. Mom had said no......When I met them on the isle it was at the, I guess you could say, "height of his acting career" he was layin crosswise on the floor in the middle of the isle....kickin and screamin. I had to step over him to continue on. "As I stepped across him, I looked directly at the mom and said, Ya know....a good butt bustin would solve that perdy quick" My daughter and son were with me, 20 year old and 15 year old......they both commented when I got thru telling the woman what I did, that they would have both got it good if they'd ever tried somethin like that.
But....not only did the mom do absolutely nothin to get him to stop. She didn't use her head. Good grief...put the cake mix in the basket......get the kid to shut up...when he aint lookin....take it out and set it on a shelf somewhere in the store......if ya don't wanna take care of the screamin memee he was havin at the time, at least difuse it, so others can shop without havin to step over a kid layin on the floor.
This to my notion is what's wrong with all these kids these days.....there is a difference between a spankin, and a beatin. Spankin a child is not abuse......lettin em run amuck reakin havoc is in my opinion another form of abuse.....or maybe I should say neglect. They are neglecting teaching their kids how to act in an appropriete manner.

But on the note of a lil kid in a bookstore, in the childrens section...playin with a train, that was put there by the store for kids entertainment......squealin cuz they are havin a good time, isn't bein a bad kid. It's called..."bein a kid"
 

Judith

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Lily,
I believe in a good spankin. ( Gasp Horrors) Ironically my son has never needed one. However he knows that there are rules and I will enforce them. OMG rules for children!!!!! Won't that crush their egos? Scar them for life?

When I was growing up I got my share of spanks. My dad cried every single time he had to apply one. He always said. Honey I love you so much, it hurts me to have to do this. But you knew the rules. As your father it is my job to teach you right and wrong. There is a punishment for every wrong doing. What kind of a dad would I be if I did'nt. Then he would say these HORRIBLE words..... I am sooo disappointed in you. ARRRRRG. The spanking NEVER hurt but my goodness the words sure did. But he would always put me on his knee after and hug me tight.

I think I grew up just fine......
 

Turkey Track Bar

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the_jersey_lilly_2000 said:
I'm gonna comment on this knowing full well I should prolly keep my mouth shut LOL

For the most part, kids are fine, anywhere I go. But there are always gonna be the occasional lil screamin kickin brat that needs their hiney warmed a time or two to make em act right. I'm a firm believer that the spankings kids get when they are young teach them a whole heck of a lot about how to act in public as well as at home.

You see moms and dads that are at their ropes end on what to do to make their kid mind.......but they haven't paddled that behind. I got my fair share of them when I was a kid, and my kids have had their fair share of them too. But I can and always have been able to take my kids anywhere with me with confidence that they'll act right.

Example: Recent trip to the grocery store. A kid prolly 7 or 8 years old......screamin and puttin on an act that shoulda won an oscar. You could hear him all over the store.....from isle to isle...it got louder. Finally meeting on an isle with this mom that was oblivious (so it seemed) to what her kid was doin. He was carrying a cake mix and somethin else.....cryin wantin to put it in the basket. Mom had said no......When I met them on the isle it was at the, I guess you could say, "height of his acting career" he was layin crosswise on the floor in the middle of the isle....kickin and screamin. I had to step over him to continue on. "As I stepped across him, I looked directly at the mom and said, Ya know....a good butt bustin would solve that perdy quick" My daughter and son were with me, 20 year old and 15 year old......they both commented when I got thru telling the woman what I did, that they would have both got it good if they'd ever tried somethin like that.
But....not only did the mom do absolutely nothin to get him to stop. She didn't use her head. Good grief...put the cake mix in the basket......get the kid to shut up...when he aint lookin....take it out and set it on a shelf somewhere in the store......if ya don't wanna take care of the screamin memee he was havin at the time, at least difuse it, so others can shop without havin to step over a kid layin on the floor.
This to my notion is what's wrong with all these kids these days.....there is a difference between a spankin, and a beatin. Spankin a child is not abuse......lettin em run amuck reakin havoc is in my opinion another form of abuse.....or maybe I should say neglect. They are neglecting teaching their kids how to act in an appropriete manner.

But on the note of a lil kid in a bookstore, in the childrens section...playin with a train, that was put there by the store for kids entertainment......squealin cuz they are havin a good time, isn't bein a bad kid. It's called..."bein a kid"

Lilly, all I have to say is...... :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Great post...

TTB :wink:
 

Faster horses

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Wild and disobient kids are my pet peeve.

That kid you saw Lilly, was wanting someone to stop him. Kids want to know their boundaries. If they don't get boundaries they'll keep on and one. Soon they don't respect themselves or anyone else.

It's my thought that not enough people raise their own kids. Daycares and schools raise them. The parents don't spend enough time with them, so then they feel guilty if they discipline their kids. I've watched people TRAIN their kids to be bad, just by what they reward them for doing.

I heard Pat Parelli talk about kids once. He said "People have trouble with their kids. Raising kids is really pretty simple. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Problem is, parents lie to kids and they catch on pretty quick. You must stop lying to them."

I've watched this happen more times than I could count. Example: "Johnny, get off that counter right now, or you are going to get a spanking." Johnny doesn't get off the counter and what happens? Nothing. Mom just LIED to Johnny.

Ahhhh, it just takes time to discipline kids and parents don't have time.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 

katrina

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I agree with all of you......
What really frosted me is kids at a funeral acting up...... This is a time for reverance and a quite time for some to say goodbye for ever :cry: ... Really eurks me to have children being noisey at this time......
Another thing: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Children running up and down the aisles at the auction barn. :x Millions of dollars is changing hands at this time, and those buyers and sellers are doing buisness. The lively hood for some. And to have kids running and jumping and raising hell is uncalled for. :mad: :mad: If they can't sit.... Take them to the ladies lounge or outside.......
 

the_jersey_lilly_2000

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Yeap and it don't start when lil Johnny is 8 or 10 years old. and already outta controll. It starts when lil Johnny is startin to crawl and you told him "No" don't touch that and he touches it anyway.....slap his lil hands a time or two and he'll quickly understand that if he touches it, that's the result.
My all time most hated thing to hear a mom tell a kid, is, "Wait till your dad gets home" NOTTTTTTTTTT if you aint woman enuff to disipline a kid, then ya should never have had em.

Your right FH....people toss their kids into day care or school and expect the system to teach them, and they should have already been taught those things before they ever got to be school age. I realize that the parents that have to use day care because both work, may have a tuffer time correcting their kids. But you make time. The more time you make for yer kids, the less time you'll spend correcting them. I've thoroughly enjoyed both my kids from day one. There were times that I had to correct them, spank their behinds, and no that's not fun. But if you do it the right way, and it works, things are much better afterwards than if you'd done nothing at all.
 

the_jersey_lilly_2000

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LOL Katrina,
You just reminded me of a time or two when my mama took me outside at church. I have no idea what I'd done. But she gathered me up and out the door we went....our church at the time had a big longgggg covered front porch......prolly not near as "long" as it seemed at the time. But she spanked me from the door...all the way to the end of the porch and back. Then told me to , "Hush up and don't make another sound" (hard to do when yer bawlin n got the jerky sniffles) but she only did that a couple times in my whole life, so whatever it was I did to get to make the trip outside, I musta learned not to do that no more LOL
 

Faster horses

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My folks tell a story on me. We had to walk a long ways to the grocery store and I wasn't very old. Perhaps 4. When we got home I showed my momma a candy bar I had 'picked up.' My mom got so mad at me, we had to walk all the way back and I had to tell the storekeeper what I had done, plus return the candy bar and then we had to walk all the way back home. I never did that again.

Took a lot of time and effort for my mom to teach me a lesson, but she did it. And it wasn't any car ride involved either; just hoofin' it both ways.
 

the_jersey_lilly_2000

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Lil Lilly was 2 years old.........Great grandma's house was directly across the street from the lil mom n pop store here in town. Two of her older cousins were walkin across the street to the store and asked if they could take her with them. We were all sittin out on the front porch visitin. So I said , "sure" Off they went. A few minutes later, the girls came back with their cokes and candy bars. They hadn't bought Lil Lilly anything, she just was along for the walk with the "big girls" Well....there she stood, Chewin a piece of gum, still holdin the wrapper in her lil hand. I asked her if her cousins had bought her gum. She said, "Uh huh"
They piped up and said, "no we didn't, we didn't know she had anything"
So...even though she was only 2 years old, I walked her across the street, back into the store, I made a BIG deal outta it. And made her tell them she was sorry for taking the piece of gum without paying for it. It was a 3 cent piece of gum. Woopy do right? Wrong!!!! She was cryin when she apologized to the lady at the counter. (who thought it was really funny) But it taught her a lesson, and she actually remembers me takin her over there and makin her apologize and pay for the gum.
 

Northern Rancher

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I found the easiest cows to run are somebody elses and the easiest kids to raise are a strangers-after raising four I admit we've had our 'less than perfect' moments. Not about to judge somebody on a bad day in the cornflake aisle lol.
 

katrina

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You girls have got it!!!!!!!
When carter was little, he would fuss in the store because he knew he could get away with it.... ONe day I was in a big department store and he was fussing and so I was in the process of correcting him, when I was caught by another lady. She knew I was busted and she told me, "Oh honey don't you worry, I've done that a time or two with my kids and sometimes you have to lay the law down." And she turned and walked away....
I never had trouble with carter again........
 

ranchwife

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I can see that the majority of us here agree that a good hiney warming never hurt a child!!! GOOD!!! Unfortunately, in today's society you also see the "do-gooders" who feel the need to report to social services each time they see a child swatted on the behind!! This happened to me in Great Falls when my youngest was 3......he ran away from my grasp and was found after a long, exhaustive search...in the playroom with the video games! When he was found, he was obnoxious and throwing a tantrum which resulted in his "hiney warming" (total of 2 swats!!) to which I was reprimanded by a woman (without children, I am sure!!) for "abusing that poor little boy!!"......imagine my shock when I received a letter from social services regarding this issue...fortunately, it was immediately dropped after I talked with the social worker and informed her of EXACTLY what had happened!! My children know that if they should misbehave in a public place, they will be "disciplined" or simply removed from the area!! have had to take them outta restaurants and a theater in the past.....I hold true to my word with my kids and they know it!! Now, all it takes is a certain "look" that we parents obtain and they know they are on thin ice!! Now, my kids see other children misbehaving in restaurants, theaters, weddings, etc. and they roll their eyes and shake their heads!! Just goes to show that Dr Spock obviously did not know everything!!! :wink: :wink: :roll: :roll:
 

MsSage

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How many have spanked thier children and had the police called and undergone a 3 month investigation of child abuse? Hmmmmm all it takes is ONE call and you have to PROVE your innoccent.
How many of us have made comments to the Parent? hmmmm How about scolding the child and give the parent encouragement? That does better for the child to see adults support each other and will NOT stand for the disrespect from them.

Yes I had to Prove Kaitlyn was NOT abused after 3 months they figured out she is rough tuff and has NO fear.
I had one parent speak to her and tell me keep up the good work. That did MORE then scolding ME for not getting her to mind.

Too many Bleeding heart liberals have taken away parental rights and given children free rein...this is what you get.
Oh yes I will say something to a child I see acting out in a heartbeat I also make sure I encourage the parent...we have ALL been at wits end and one kind supportive word does make things better.
TOGETHER we all win.

We need to come together and STOP blaming parents and give them the power BACK. We need to support each other or these kids will be lost.
 

the_jersey_lilly_2000

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It's not about judgin someone on the cornflake isle. It's about those parents doin absolutely nothin to correct it. I have NOOOO problem seein a parent out in public disiplining their kid. It's those that don't do it, that I have no use for. Too much of our tax dollars are spent on things to correct kids problems that their parents could have fixed for free a long time ago. All the way up to and including all the inmates in our State Prisons. Even tho, if they weren't there, Mr Lilly would have had to find somethin else to do to make a living. LOL
It's just simply bein too lazy to take the time to raise kids the right way.

I disagree, it's not easier workin someone elses cows LOL I know mine best and they know me better than a stranger.
Same goes for kids, I know mine, what they've been taught, and how they act. Dealing with other's kids, in 4H, in FFA, all throughout my kids lives, their friends know what they can and can't do around me. I think alot of it is because we have rules, that are inforced. If you don't comply with the rules, you don't get to participate in the activities anymore. Not many times have I had to say, "Don't come back" but there has been a time or two. And I don't regret it either. Dealin with kids parents is harder than dealin with the kids themselves. But when you have one you've had to tell "don't come back" the parents are outraged.......that you'd do that to their child. Well...if they'd been taught respect and rules and how to act with other people a long time ago, it wouldn't have happened. Sometimes being corrected or a comment by a non-relative has way more impact on a kid than their parents have had.
 

MsSage

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Just because you DONT see the parent spanking the child does NOT make them lazy.
You have NO CLUE what that family is going through.
With Divorce you have SO MANY issues ...from anger to depression and most kids dont understand the feelings they are feeling. ALL they know is they HURT. With any age child when they are hurting they respond with anger.
If other adults support the parent and give encouragement some of these problems are made eaiser.
 

katrina

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I used to help teach kids ride and worked with them with their horses..
NO MORE..... I run the other direction.. And it's not the kids, it's the parents..... I too don't like other peoples cattle. I like mine better.
It's the same way with the teachers......Lets give em a little support and maybe a paddle.....
 
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