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No child left behind?

Texan

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A HEARTWARMING STUDENT STORY


Hello,

My name be Eboneesha, a African-American girl who just got an Award for being the best speler in class. I got 67% on the speling test And 30 points for being black, 5 points for not bringing drugs into Class, 5 points for not bringing guns into class, and 5 points for not Getting pregnut during the cemester. It hard to beat a score of 120%.

The white dude who sit next to me is McGee from the Bronx. He got A 94% on the test but no extra points on account of he have the same Skin color as the opressirs of 150 years ago.

Granny ax me to thank all Demokrats and Libruls for suporting Afermative action. You showing the way to true equality.

I gwine be gittin in medical skool nex an mabe I be yo doctor .



Eboneesha --
 

Steve

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Cn U Rd Ths? A Guide to Invented Spelling


Spelling instruction at your child's school may look different from what you remember of your school days. Here's a guide to what you might see and why things have changed.

By Kate Steinheimer, GreatSchools.net Staff

Your first-grader proudly shows you the story she wrote in class and it looks something like this:

“Ther ouns was two flawrs. Oun was pink and the othr was prpul.

Thae did not like ech athr becuse thae whr difrint culrs. Oun day thae had a fite.”

Invented Spelling Helps Children Learn

Don’t panic. It is called “invented spelling” or “inventive spelling,” and many teachers encourage it
http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/showarticlefeature/nj/800
 

Steve

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Our public school
Home Languages of All Student
English 54%
Other languages 46%

Scary thought....50% fail...maybe they need more money?
Finance Per Pupil Spending This District
Total per pupil expenditures $16,648

Scary thought....50% fail...maybe they need smaller classes?
Average class size 15

More teachers,...
Students per teacher 8

can't they see the problem?...maybe the teachers and Administration can't read their own reports?


http://www.greatschools.net/cgi-bin/nj/other/2220
 

katrina

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No child left behind has been a good thing for the rez here. It has made the teachers more responsible for making sure the kids get what is being taught... Actually the whole community has a red x for not making use of the educational oppertunities...
On the down side, we have had elevan suicides in the last few weeks......
 

TSR

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Schools can't solve society's problems. You get society's problems (drugs,divorce, etc) solved/improved and you'll see a drastic improvement, in the meantime put the blame elsewhere.
 

Red Robin

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TSR said:
Schools can't solve society's problems. You get society's problems (drugs,divorce, etc) solved/improved and you'll see a drastic improvement, in the meantime put the blame elsewhere.
Schools have kids 1/3 of the time, they sleep 1/3 of the time and parents have them 1/3 of the time. Schools deserve some of the blame as well as the parents.
 

the chief

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Red Robin said:
TSR said:
Schools can't solve society's problems. You get society's problems (drugs,divorce, etc) solved/improved and you'll see a drastic improvement, in the meantime put the blame elsewhere.
Schools have kids 1/3 of the time, they sleep 1/3 of the time and parents have them 1/3 of the time. Schools deserve some of the blame as well as the parents.

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! (On the 1/3 of the time part. Not necessarily the blame part)

Schools have kids from 8 am to 3 pm. That is seven hours of instructional time per day. They have kids 178 days/year. That means they are under a school districts care 14.22% of the year. EVEN if you included the bus time of another hour per day, that increases to only 16.25% of the year.

What is wrong with our children's ability to learn? How about both parents HAVING to work in today's society? How about allowing our children to drink alcohol in our homes. The excuse being "at least we know where they are." Children's brains continue to develop until they are 20-21 years old and alcohol use kills some brain cells in their brain that NEVER regrow. Thus, that part of their reasoning skills are lost. That is why the national drinking age is set at 21 years.

If children do NOT learn good behavior by the time they are two years old, they will have a hard time EVER learning good behavior. Thus, their habits are set BEFORE they reach a teacher.

Our school district implemented a "mandatory" home work policy. If you do not turn in your homework when it is due, you get a zero. Parents call and complain about this and my response (as a board member) is "why are you telling your child they do NOT have to do homework. If they do their homework, their grades and test scores will improve. Besides, it is their job to do their homework." I usually get either no response or they get disgusted and hang up.

I saw one response above that stated they had 11 suicides in their area. In our area, we have had 11 deaths in two weeks within 60 miles of home. Five were related to speeding, 5 were driving and drinking, and one was a kid who was at an alcohol party and thought the cops were raiding the house, so he ran away. He had no coat or shoes and they found him froze to death the next morning.

Do NOT blame the teachers for all our ills. Yes, it would be nice to get rid of some teachers who are simply putting in their time, but those teachers are few and far between. 98% of our staff are a very dedicated and able staff.

You want to fix our education system. Well, let's fix our social security and health care ills at the same time. FIRST, congress pays into social security and their pensions are eliminated. SECOND, congress pays their own health care. THIRD, ALL children of federal and state elected officials MUST send their kids to public schools.
Do this and beleive me, you will see a DRASTIC change in in those three above areas. Why should congress care about those three things IF THEY DO NOT AFFECT THEM?

Thanks for letting me vent. I see the problem too, RR, but there are MANY more factors affecting today's children than just the teachers.
 

Steve

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FIRST, congress pays into social security and their pensions are eliminated.

Great idea.....I would vote for that!!!!!

(but slightly off topic)

Chief
THIRD, ALL children of federal and state elected officials MUST send their kids to public schools.

while teachers may be 98% dedicated in your area this would have been a disaster for me to send my child though the public school here...50% failure rate of standardized tests,..36% drop out rate....28% failed to graduate....7% went on to further education......add in that over 60% fail kindergarten...



under your proposed rule, I would under your law be forced to send my child to one of the worst schools in the state....
a school he started out in,..until we saw he was getting hurt by the schools policies and inept teaching....sorry but we need to fix the schools and offer "all parents and students a choice"

BTW for as much as I criticize our local school district, by being offered a choice my son went to an excellent tech school for his high school and is now at one of the top engineering schools in the country...


school choice works...good schools succeed and poor schools should be closed.

I am completely for school choice and vouchers. no child should have to be "forced" to attend a failing school.
 

Red Robin

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the chief said:
How about both parents HAVING to work in today's society?
Just grabbing this out of your post chief. I don't disagree with alot of what you posted. This however is wrong. Not every family has to have two parents working. Our standard of living is just goofy. You don't have to have a new diesel truck and a SUV in the garage next to the boat. If people are willing to cut back, in some cases one parent can make a living. It's priorities.. Schools are teaching kids they came from monkeys, maybe some of these monkeys are now parents and you are starting to see the results. I really think that the faulty education and lack of parental guidence on how much and what kids watch on TV are serious troubles in America.
 

the chief

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To RR: You are right about "neighbor envy" being a problem in this country. It is also a problem that children can't pray or even mention God in school. I'm 53, and although I am not the world's best church-goer, I believe and trust in my God and I was a better student (my opinion) in school because I was taught to respect elders, behave myself, and act accordingly. I do NOT see that today for many children.

To Steve: I didn't say YOU had to send kids to public schools, just congressmen, senators, presidents, mayor of major cities and ALL their aides. If you fall into that category, my apologies. But can you see how much focus public education would get if that were required of some of the pompous asses we have in DC and in our state capitols?

In my county, we have people "bitching" at our board because we are not rebuilding a damaged building in their town. Instead, we are adding on to an existing building in another town. It will help us financially and educationally for today and the future for our taxpayers and children. There is another school in the town that is complaining, but they don't even see it being there. DUH!
But, the sad fact is, parents and children are not complaining about where we are building; the grandparents are. They can't let go of the past.
Some people just need to accept change. The only thing constant in life is change!

Well, I believe that if a few farmers put their heads together, we could change many things wrong in this country. But I am still waiting for that invitation. How about you? :wink:
 

aplusmnt

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Red Robin said:
the chief said:
How about both parents HAVING to work in today's society?
Just grabbing this out of your post chief. I don't disagree with alot of what you posted. This however is wrong. Not every family has to have two parents working. Our standard of living is just goofy. You don't have to have a new diesel truck and a SUV in the garage next to the boat. If people are willing to cut back, in some cases one parent can make a living. It's priorities.. Schools are teaching kids they came from monkeys, maybe some of these monkeys are now parents and you are starting to see the results. I really think that the faulty education and lack of parental guidence on how much and what kids watch on TV are serious troubles in America.

So true! If two parents want to work that is fine it is their choice, but all these Libs quoting how everyone is barely getting by, how poor everyone is, is absurd. We are a spoiled nation! I was not alive during the depression but I would imagine those that were would be outraged when today's cry babies talk about how hard times are.

People today WANT way to much. Most families have multiple cars, multiple TV, Multiple Computers, Cable or Satellite in more than one room, eat out multiple times in a week, Multiple toys or hobbies, multiple pairs of $80.00 shoes, Expensive clothes, kids wearing outrageous expensive shoes and clothes, Buy multiple bottles of pop at $1.29 a day.

Basically if your family has more than one car and you can afford Cable or Satellite TV then you don't have it that bad. If I was having a hard time making a living the first thing to go would be extra cars and Cable or Satellite TV. If you have a computer and are on Internet then live must not be that bad, because a person having a hard time feeding his family would never have the Internet.

People are spoiled today and not thankful for what they do have!
 

Steve

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Chief:
To Steve: I didn't say YOU had to send kids to public schools, just congressmen, senators, presidents, mayor of major cities and ALL their aides. If you fall into that category, my apologies. But can you see how much focus public education would get if that were required of some of the pompous asses we have in DC and in our state capitols?

I agree,..somewhat...

Chelsea Clinton moved into the White House on the day of her father's inauguration on January 20, 1993, when she was twelve years old.

She spent her teenage years there and attended the elite private Sidwell Friends School,... Before Chelsea came to Washington, D.C., some people debated over whether the president should choose a public school or a private school for Chelsea.,...


Caroline went to First grade in the White House. Her mother made a classroom on the third floor of the house. Ten of Caroline’s friends went to school with her. No school bus came to the White House. Parents drove their kids to the White House in their cars.

Amy Carter was in third grade when she came to live in the White House. She went to a school in Washington, D.C.Hardy Middle School is a school located in Georgetown in Washington, D.C..

This school, which is administered by the District of Columbia Public Schools, has been featured in the Northwest Current and has received multiple accolades for its achievements in academics and in sports. It has integrated all of its departments to incorporate, The school serves the neighborhoods of Georgetown and Glover Park.

I see your point. I just do not feel that it is fair to force a child to go to pathetic school systems...just because their parent chooses public service.

Notice also that the two liberal presidents that are well thought of did not support the public school systems, while Carter who couldn't run the presidency any worse, did make a moral choice in sending his child into a faltering school system...

as for the Bush twins both went to public schools...



77% of the students at Preston Hollow are economically disadvantaged, 8% of the enroll in special education, 13% enroll in gifted and talent programs, and 42% are considered "limited English proficient."...

The ethnic makeup of the school is 66% Hispanic, 18% White, non-Hispanic, 13% Black and 3% Asian/Pacific Islander

and,...Austin High School, founded in 1881, is the oldest public high school West of the Mississippi River. The current campus is located near downtown Austin along the Colorado River. The school, originally known simply as Austin High School, was renamed in 1953 after Stephen F. Austin, known as the "Father of Texas." Austin High School is one of eleven high schools in the Austin Independent School District.

and again their Father who chose to do the right moral thing is blamed for failing to support the education system....even though he trusted his daughters to it....( and we all know they turned out okey for it)....

BTW wasn't Amy thrown in jail and out of Brown?
 

TSR

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Steve said:
TSR:
Schools can't solve society's problems.

maybe teachers can't solve them,..but, it would sure help if they stopped creating problems.

Problems are created many times when school policies are written that try to correct society's problems.
 

TSR

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Red Robin said:
TSR said:
Schools can't solve society's problems. You get society's problems (drugs,divorce, etc) solved/improved and you'll see a drastic improvement, in the meantime put the blame elsewhere.
Schools have kids 1/3 of the time, they sleep 1/3 of the time and parents have them 1/3 of the time. Schools deserve some of the blame as well as the parents.

RR If a child gets up on a school day and comes to school ready to learn (they haven't had to put up with drug dealing,parental arguments, nothing to eat the night before, andthe list goes on and on......) then they will learn that day with respect to their own academic ability providing they don't have a disability of some sort. The 1/3 of the time at home that you refer to MOST of the time will override the other 1/3 at school because of the reasons I have cited above. JMHO
 

Red Robin

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TSR said:
Red Robin said:
TSR said:
Schools can't solve society's problems. You get society's problems (drugs,divorce, etc) solved/improved and you'll see a drastic improvement, in the meantime put the blame elsewhere.
Schools have kids 1/3 of the time, they sleep 1/3 of the time and parents have them 1/3 of the time. Schools deserve some of the blame as well as the parents.

RR If a child gets up on a school day and comes to school ready to learn (they haven't had to put up with drug dealing,parental arguments, nothing to eat the night before, andthe list goes on and on......) then they will learn that day with respect to their own academic ability providing they don't have a disability of some sort. The 1/3 of the time at home that you refer to MOST of the time will override the other 1/3 at school because of the reasons I have cited above. JMHO
Aren't you assuming that a large percentage of children live in this environment? I'd say most don't. Most kids have loving parents that might be too busy but really love their kids. Public schools have plenty of blame on their own , regardless of the fault that may also exist with the parents.
 

aplusmnt

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TSR said:
Red Robin said:
TSR said:
Schools can't solve society's problems. You get society's problems (drugs,divorce, etc) solved/improved and you'll see a drastic improvement, in the meantime put the blame elsewhere.
Schools have kids 1/3 of the time, they sleep 1/3 of the time and parents have them 1/3 of the time. Schools deserve some of the blame as well as the parents.

RR If a child gets up on a school day and comes to school ready to learn (they haven't had to put up with drug dealing,parental arguments, nothing to eat the night before, andthe list goes on and on......) then they will learn that day with respect to their own academic ability providing they don't have a disability of some sort. The 1/3 of the time at home that you refer to MOST of the time will override the other 1/3 at school because of the reasons I have cited above. JMHO

I really do not think that most kids have all the problems you listed. Probably a very low percentage. Not many kids have not eaten the night before. Welfare and food stamps is to easy to get.

I would say there is a larger group of problems with the kids today, that being the time and effort spent to raise them properly.

School officials would also like to put all the blame off on the parents but they to have to accept some responsibility for the way the kids act in their classes. Some teachers can keep control and some can not. Kind of like being a nurse, if you do not like people and you have a short fuse maybe you should not be a nurse or a teacher.
 

Texan

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I believe that the root of our problems with young people today originate at home - the lack of guidance and supervision, for whatever reason. The influence of public schools certainly doesn't seem to do much to help, though.

However, it seems to me that we are putting our public school teachers in a very difficult position. We are sending them kids who need a strong disciplinary hand to get them straightened out, because they have had no discipline at home. At the same time, we are taking away the tools that teachers/administrators need to restore discipline - all in an effort to be politically correct.

Granted, there are plenty of sorry teachers - the NEA makes sure of that. But it seems to me that it's a lose/lose situation for the dedicated public school teacher who only wishes to inspire kids to learn and excel in life. In many cases, those good teachers have no raw material to work with. Is it fair to expect them to do the parenting, too?

It's easy to identify the problems with public education. Identifying the solutions is a different matter.
 

Texan

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Make a note on your calendar, chief. Today is the day that I actually agree with you on something. I hope I don't get kicked out of the 'pack' for it. :lol:


the chief said:
You want to fix our education system. Well, let's fix our social security and health care ills at the same time. FIRST, congress pays into social security and their pensions are eliminated. SECOND, congress pays their own health care. THIRD, ALL children of federal and state elected officials MUST send their kids to public schools.
Do this and beleive me, you will see a DRASTIC change in in those three above areas. Why should congress care about those three things IF THEY DO NOT AFFECT THEM?
 
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