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No child left behind?

TSR

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aplusmnt said:
TSR said:
Red Robin said:
Schools have kids 1/3 of the time, they sleep 1/3 of the time and parents have them 1/3 of the time. Schools deserve some of the blame as well as the parents.

RR If a child gets up on a school day and comes to school ready to learn (they haven't had to put up with drug dealing,parental arguments, nothing to eat the night before, andthe list goes on and on......) then they will learn that day with respect to their own academic ability providing they don't have a disability of some sort. The 1/3 of the time at home that you refer to MOST of the time will override the other 1/3 at school because of the reasons I have cited above. JMHO

I really do not think that most kids have all the problems you listed. Probably a very low percentage. Not many kids have not eaten the night before. Welfare and food stamps is to easy to get.

I would say there is a larger group of problems with the kids today, that being the time and effort spent to raise them properly.

School officials would also like to put all the blame off on the parents but they to have to accept some responsibility for the way the kids act in their classes. Some teachers can keep control and some can not. Kind of like being a nurse, if you do not like people and you have a short fuse maybe you should not be a nurse or a teacher.

I stand by what I said "If a child comes to school ready to learn they will learn ". The problems a lot of kids have at home is not readily apparent to the average person. I also never said kids have all the problems I listed but I've been around enough of them to know that the percentage with problems is greater than what you or I might think. I would agree that parents not spending the time to raise them properly is a major problem. Yes school officials have to accept SOME responsibility for the way the kids act BUT the major resposibility still falls on the shoulders of the parents-this follows the preceeding statement regarding raising them properly.
Welfare and food stamps are easy to get??? Food stamps maybe, but in our state welfare is not as easy to get as you might think.
There will always be differing personalities in teachers just like there will be in the work place or society. At our last class reunion our class president of thirty yrs ago (who was at the time the superintendent of the school system) asked everyone present who their favorite teacher was and guess what, every teacher in the school was named by their former students. It would be the same way with all of us here at Ranchers net if we were at a meeting we would all leave with different impressions of each other. Its necessary to learn how to get along with different personalities -a valuable social skill IMO. O well i've ranted enough.
 

the chief

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Texan said:
Make a note on your calendar, chief. Today is the day that I actually agree with you on something. I hope I don't get kicked out of the 'pack' for it. :lol:


the chief said:
You want to fix our education system. Well, let's fix our social security and health care ills at the same time. FIRST, congress pays into social security and their pensions are eliminated. SECOND, congress pays their own health care. THIRD, ALL children of federal and state elected officials MUST send their kids to public schools.
Do this and beleive me, you will see a DRASTIC change in in those three above areas. Why should congress care about those three things IF THEY DO NOT AFFECT THEM?

Duly noted, Texan. :D I will make sure your alliance with the "pack" is not hindered in any way.

Y'all have a good day!


What bothers me is that you say you "actually agree with me on something." I didn't know I was THAT controversial! :oops:

I just call things like I see them. I don't follow any particular party, plan or person. I believe all people (as well as political parties) have good points and bad points. If I fall head over heels over their good points, then I can be associated with all the bad points too. THAT upsets my serenity level.

Maybe that makes me "someone who sits on the fence" all the time, but I tell you what: You can see more clearly when sitting on the fence! :D
 

the chief

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Texan said:
Make a note on your calendar, chief. Today is the day that I actually agree with you on something. I hope I don't get kicked out of the 'pack' for it. :lol:


the chief said:
You want to fix our education system. Well, let's fix our social security and health care ills at the same time. FIRST, congress pays into social security and their pensions are eliminated. SECOND, congress pays their own health care. THIRD, ALL children of federal and state elected officials MUST send their kids to public schools.
Do this and beleive me, you will see a DRASTIC change in in those three above areas. Why should congress care about those three things IF THEY DO NOT AFFECT THEM?

Duly noted, Texan. :D I will make sure your alliance with the "pack" is not hindered in any way.

What bothers me is that you say you "actually agree with me on something." I didn't know I was THAT controversial! :oops:

I just call things like I see them. I don't follow any particular party, plan or person. I believe all people (as well as political parties) have good points and bad points. If I fall head over heels over their good points, then I can be associated with all the bad points too. THAT upsets my serenity level.

Maybe that makes me "someone who sits on the fence" all the time, but I tell you what: You can see more clearly when sitting on the fence!

Y'all have a good day. :D
 

TSR

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Texan said:
I believe that the root of our problems with young people today originate at home - the lack of guidance and supervision, for whatever reason. The influence of public schools certainly doesn't seem to do much to help, though.

However, it seems to me that we are putting our public school teachers in a very difficult position. We are sending them kids who need a strong disciplinary hand to get them straightened out, because they have had no discipline at home. At the same time, we are taking away the tools that teachers/administrators need to restore discipline - all in an effort to be politically correct.

Granted, there are plenty of sorry teachers - the NEA makes sure of that. But it seems to me that it's a lose/lose situation for the dedicated public school teacher who only wishes to inspire kids to learn and excel in life. In many cases, those good teachers have no raw material to work with. Is it fair to expect them to do the parenting, too?

It's easy to identify the problems with public education. Identifying the solutions is a different matter.[/quote

Excellent post, Texan I agree with you on everything but one- there may be SOME sorry teachers butwhy would anyone want to spend 5yrs. to do a job they dislike for so little pay. Sorry teachers?? it may be like beauty, its in the eye of the beholder.
 

Econ101

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chief, you bring up a lot of good points and kudos for standing up for education even with parents calling trying to get you to excuse "their child" for not performing. When board members and the superintendent can not handle these kind of requests, the whole school system suffers. It always seems to be easier to give in to these requests, but the easy way out leads to a compromise on standards.

There are many reasons why kids do not do well in school. A school teacher can not be expected to solve all of the problems, after all, there is only one teacher to many, many students.

A good teacher, with good administrative support, can work wonders. They are the best asset an educational system can have and should be valued as such. Many teachers that fit in this category can easily get other work that probably would pay more in the economy. A good teacher usually has that profession as a calling.

There are a lot of kids, due to whatever reason, home life, puberty, economic circumstances, emotional well being, etc, who may not be ready to learn in a given semester or year. Teachers always have to look for these kind of students to bloom and encourage it when they see it. Good teachers do that. They care about the students. It takes a lot of effort for them to be this kind of person for all of the students they have. Just think how it would be if you had as many children of your own as teachers have as students!

Much of student's learning, I have found, is a product of their ability and their expectations. Parents can put in the "right" expectations for learning and are the primary source for this. Parents who have not done well in school usually have lower expectations for their kids. It does matter. Ability is the limit to what a teacher can do. Even with all the spending in the world, ability and expectations define the limits of learning.

No child left behind has had some good impacts, but just as you can't legislate morality, you can't legislate children to do well in school. You can only try to influence the factors that lead to a good education. No child has lifted expectations of the educational system and that is a good thing. It still hasn't solved many of the bad things.
 

kolanuraven

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A good teacher, with good administrative support


BINGO.....you've got have that support and a lot of teachers don't have that!!!
 

Mike

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Biggest problems I see with so many kids now is that they are lazy.

Too much TV, video games, and junk food.
 

Judith

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Nothin like sending your kid too school with a big gulp in their hands. I'm sure the buzz they have going after drinking one of those things must keep them from learning. I see kids as young as 7 getting a gulp on their way to school. It's all I can so to keep from spilling gas all over myself! And I have to shove both feet and one arm in my mouth to keep from being sarcastic to the moms.
 

aplusmnt

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Wow, I actually pretty well agree with , Mike, Econ and Kolan all three on one page. What a Momentous day!

I believe the largest problem is with Parents at home.

But I also believe that teachers our not as under paid, over worked and with out blame as they would have you to believe.
 

Texan

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the chief said:
What bothers me is that you say you "actually agree with me on something." I didn't know I was THAT controversial! :oops:
Don't let it bother you, chief. It was a poor choice of words on my part. It's been a traumatic week for me - I even agreed with Frankk on something. :lol:
 

CattleArmy

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Red Robin said:
the chief said:
How about both parents HAVING to work in today's society?
Just grabbing this out of your post chief. I don't disagree with alot of what you posted. This however is wrong. Not every family has to have two parents working. Our standard of living is just goofy. You don't have to have a new diesel truck and a SUV in the garage next to the boat. If people are willing to cut back, in some cases one parent can make a living. It's priorities.. Schools are teaching kids they came from monkeys, maybe some of these monkeys are now parents and you are starting to see the results. I really think that the faulty education and lack of parental guidence on how much and what kids watch on TV are serious troubles in America.

Ok I'll give you this one families that were given land and given family businesses don't have to have two parents working. However here in the real world of high health insurance, gas prices, and grocery cost going up too it does take most families two incomes. I stayed home for years raising my children a choice I gladly made and am thankful I did however when the insurance premiums kept going up and cattle prices went down and replacement heifers were needed to keep the cow herd growing two incomes were needed. I've yet to see the new diesel, boat, and big suv here.
 

Cal

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CattleArmy said:
Red Robin said:
the chief said:
How about both parents HAVING to work in today's society?
Just grabbing this out of your post chief. I don't disagree with alot of what you posted. This however is wrong. Not every family has to have two parents working. Our standard of living is just goofy. You don't have to have a new diesel truck and a SUV in the garage next to the boat. If people are willing to cut back, in some cases one parent can make a living. It's priorities.. Schools are teaching kids they came from monkeys, maybe some of these monkeys are now parents and you are starting to see the results. I really think that the faulty education and lack of parental guidence on how much and what kids watch on TV are serious troubles in America.

Ok I'll give you this one families that were given land and given family businesses don't have to have two parents working. However here in the real world of high health insurance, gas prices, and grocery cost going up too it does take most families two incomes. I stayed home for years raising my children a choice I gladly made and am thankful I did however when the insurance premiums kept going up and cattle prices went down and replacement heifers were needed to keep the cow herd growing two incomes were needed. I've yet to see the new diesel, boat, and big suv here.[/quote]

Weren't you sort of orgasmic about getting a new Ford 4dr a while back...because they were supporting gay orgs, or something like that?
 

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