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No need for jail.....

Jinglebob

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kolanuraven said:
He should have NEVER been put in jail to begin with!



http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/06/01/kevorkian.release.ap/index.html

This is not really a black and white issue, so I would have to say your position is debatable.
 

kolanuraven

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Jinglebob said:
kolanuraven said:
He should have NEVER been put in jail to begin with!



http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/06/01/kevorkian.release.ap/index.html

This is not really a black and white issue, so I would have to say your position is debatable.


Hence why I posted it w/ my opinion!!! You're on your A game today there JB!!!
 

Jinglebob

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kolanuraven said:
Jinglebob said:
kolanuraven said:
He should have NEVER been put in jail to begin with!



http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/06/01/kevorkian.release.ap/index.html

This is not really a black and white issue, so I would have to say your position is debatable.



Hence why I posted it w/ my opinion!!! You're on your A game today there JB!!!


Are you sure you shouldn't have put this in politics?

I didn't realize it was your opinion. I thought you were exspressing fact.

Sorry, miss Smartypants. :p
 

jigs

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legalizing death seems rather political to me, but I am of the opinion the guy was doing a service. if a person would rather not suffer the end of a viscous disease, then let them be. my grandfather had Alzheimer's and he was totally not there 99% of the time. the last month he was in and out of the emergency room for various things, and they had to CPR him a few times ... it was a sad situation to watch, so Grandma signed a DNR order on him. then they waited for the next battle. slowly his body shut down, and over a weeks time he drifted away for good. after seeing how that all works with modern medicine, I think men like Kavorkian are angels in disguise
 

Jinglebob

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jigs said:
legalizing death seems rather political to me, but I am of the opinion the guy was doing a service. if a person would rather not suffer the end of a viscous disease, then let them be. my grandfather had Alzheimer's and he was totally not there 99% of the time. the last month he was in and out of the emergency room for various things, and they had to CPR him a few times ... it was a sad situation to watch, so Grandma signed a DNR order on him. then they waited for the next battle. slowly his body shut down, and over a weeks time he drifted away for good. after seeing how that all works with modern medicine, I think men like Kavorkian are angels in disguise

After my dad had a stroke, we cared for him here at home.

He only had one eye (lost the other years before in a car wreck).

One morning I went to get him up to dress and eat and start the day and he was giving me a tuff time. I told him, "If you was an old cow and giving me this much trouble, I'd shoot you".

He looked me in the eye and you could tell that he knew exactly what he was saying and said, "I wish you would".

That was pretty profound for me. I've looked for reasons for the past 10 years as to why he had to go thru' what he did before he finally died.

All I can say is, it's not supposed to be in our hands.

When we decide to start killing people to end their suffering, it's just a short trip to killing people we think are suffering. And then who knows, maybe it would be pretty easy to end someones life to put money in our pocket? Or start killing off all that are unhappy or a burden on scociety (sp).

I don't think it's up to us to decide.

Life can be rough at time, but there should always be hope.

That said, if someone wants to die, they probably can find a way to do it.

All I'd have had to done with dad, is leave a loaded gun near him. But I just couldn't do that.

Maybe when I get in bad shape I will feel different, but for now, I guess I'll follow the bibles thinking.
 

BRG

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I don't like to see someone suffer either. Just watched my wifes Grandma pass away last week, would have rather not seen it, but it does put everything in perspective.

I don't think it should be up to us. God always has a plan. Same with a baby. I don't think Abortions or Euthanizations should be legal. Now giving someone CPR, when they are on their dying bed is another thing. Just let them die peacefully and all will end the way it is meant to be.
 

ShoersSage

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I have always believed that when it is your time you will be called home....that was proved to me by my step mother 9 years ago.
My mother died from lung cancer, long and drawn out, very painful 13 years ago this july. After her death my step mother who had COPD told my Dad when she gets bad to help her die, he agreed. After 4 years of battling with COPD and trying to get my Dad to help her ( he couldnt bring himself to "help" her die) She woke up one morning breathing very easy and looked at my Dad and said "thank you for waiting, I know now God is ready for me, now I am free to go home " She gave my Dad a hug and a kiss asked for some coffee and while he was getting the coffee she went home. He came back and she had a smile on her face for the first time in many years.

Who are we to decide when the right time is ......as for me I will leave it in Gods hands he does know all.
 

Mrs.Greg

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Being on the pallitive care team I've watched numerous people die,new meds make the pain close to bearable.....This is only Gods desision no one elses :!:
 

nr

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Mrs.Greg said:
Being on the pallitive care team I've watched numerous people die,new meds make the pain close to bearable.....This is only Gods desision no one elses :!:

Trying to permit someone to die naturally in a nursing home is quite a legal hurdle which we found when my mom had Alzheimers- despite the papers she'd signed when she was of sound mind that she didn't want her life prolonged. She eventually had an infection which was a natural way to die we thought but the staff still wanted to push fluids etc. even though she'd been living in a totally confused, physically uncomfortable and wheelchair bound state for years!

Now my dad at 95 has signed detailed instructions that he doesn't want anything done to prolong his life and dictated no tube feedings, no antibiotics, no fever-reducing meds, and that his daughters could refuse any or all treatments. I noticed though a resusitation mask was hanging on the door to the bathroom. The nurse-director said, "Oh, that wouldn't be used until the nurse or aide checked his chart to see what the directives said," but I'm thinking why would it be in the room at all when the patient has pre-signed his wishes? ??
 

Jinglebob

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nr said:
Mrs.Greg said:
Being on the pallitive care team I've watched numerous people die,new meds make the pain close to bearable.....This is only Gods desision no one elses :!:

Trying to permit someone to die naturally in a nursing home is quite a legal hurdle which we found when my mom had Alzheimers- despite the papers she'd signed when she was of sound mind that she didn't want her life prolonged. She eventually had an infection which was a natural way to die we thought but the staff still wanted to push fluids etc. even though she'd been living in a totally confused, physically uncomfortable and wheelchair bound state for years!

Now my dad at 95 has signed detailed instructions that he doesn't want anything done to prolong his life and dictated no tube feedings, no antibiotics, no fever-reducing meds, and that his daughters could refuse any or all treatments. I noticed though a resusitation mask was hanging on the door to the bathroom. The nurse-director said, "Oh, that wouldn't be used until the nurse or aide checked his chart to see what the directives said," but I'm thinking why would it be in the room at all when the patient has pre-signed his wishes? ??

Your father has gone about it the right way. HE made a decision and all should abide by it.

Unfortuanatley, my father didn't.

With my Mom, when she need an oxygen mask, she refused. She was claustraphobic (sp).I told her she would die without it and she said, "Thn I will dies. I would rather die than have to wear one of thoses."

She was almost 90, in relative good shape and not really wanting to die, bnut she chose.

It's pretty hard to stand with your mom and watch her struggle to die.
Even if she is drugged up.

This thread should be a lesson to all of us to make arangements for our last wishes, both before we die and when we die. We can all go at any time.
 
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