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hypocritexposer

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Surprise!, no plan "B". How bout hugs for everyone, and we all be friends.

The Obama administration’s effort to return the largest group of Guantánamo detainees to Yemen, their home country, has stalled, creating a major new hurdle for the president’s plan to close the prison camp in Cuba by next January, American and Yemeni officials say.

“We’re at a complete impasse,” said one American official who is involved in the issue, speaking without authorization. “I don’t know that there’s a viable ‘Plan B.’ ”

The Yemeni government has asked Washington to return its detainees and has said it would need substantial aid to rehabilitate the men. But the Obama administration is increasingly skeptical of Yemen’s ability to provide adequate rehabilitation and security to supervise returned prisoners. In addition, American officials are wary of sending detainees to Yemen because of growing indications of Al Qaeda activity there.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/world/middleeast/24yemen.html?_r=3&hp
 

Tam

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Plan B will be moving them all to the US and providing welfare checks to get the poor misunderstood souls back on their feet. :wink:
 

hypocritexposer

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I see Israel has more or less told him to go Hug Iran, and solve that problem before he tries to give the Palestians what they want.

I think this "hug the world" message is being misunderstood. No body knows who is supposed to be hugged first!

The new Israeli government will not move ahead on the core issues of peace talks with the Palestinians until it sees progress in U.S. efforts to stop Iran’s suspected pursuit of a nuclear weapon and limit Tehran’s rising influence in the region, according to top government officials familiar with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s developing policy on the issue.

“It’s a crucial condition if we want to move forward,” said Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon, a member of the Israeli parliament and former ambassador to the United States. “If we want to have a real political process with the Palestinians, then you can’t have the Iranians undermining and sabotaging.”

The emerging Israeli position, a significant change from that of previous governments, presents a challenge for President Obama, who has made quick progress on Palestinian statehood a key foreign policy goal. Obama is also trying to begin engagement with Iran as part of a broad effort to slow its nuclear program and curtail its growing strength in the Middle East.

U.S. officials are wary of linking the two issues and, if anything, would like to do the reverse of what Israel has proposed, by using progress in the Israeli-Palestinian talks to curb Iranian influence, which is wielded in the region through anti-Israeli organizations such as Hezbollah and Hamas.
 
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Anonymous

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hypocritexposer said:
Surprise!, no plan "B". How bout hugs for everyone, and we all be friends.

WRONG-- some folks have a Plan B....

Hardin jail tries for detainees from Gitmo
By BECKY SHAY
Of The Gazette Staff

Economic development officials in Hardin are looking at the soon-to-close detention facility in Guantanamo Bay as a possible fix for the jail sitting empty in Hardin.

President Barack Obama signed an executive order Jan. 22 to close the Guantanamo detention facilities in Cuba where hundreds of enemy combatants have been held since 2002. The closure is to occur in a year, during which time remaining detainees must be returned to their home countries or detained elsewhere.

Meanwhile, a 460-bed detention facility sits empty in Hardin. Built by Two Rivers Authority, the city's economic development arm, the facility was meant to bring economic development to Hardin by creating more than 100 high-paying jobs.

While leaders continue to look for contracts to open the jail, which was completed in 2007, people in Hardin have approached Two Rivers executive director Greg Smith saying they have the answer: Get the contract to hold those prisoners from Guantanamo. Smith said he started looking into the process to contract - which still isn't clear - and has talked to other possible players, including federal agencies and staffs of the Montana congressional delegation.

It's also not yet clear which agency would operate the facility that ends up holding the detainees.

The Hardin City Council voted Tuesday to support Two Rivers' efforts.

The council resolution states that the city "fully supports the efforts of the Two Rivers Authority to contact State and Federal officials for the purpose of inquiring into the possibility of housing Guantanamo detainees at the Two Rivers Authority in Hardin, Montana, and to determine whether the Two Rivers Detention Center could provide a safe and secure environment for housing said detainees."

Nationally, the focus has been on Alexandria, Va. The town boasts a detention facility and is close to federal courts.

That's nothing on Hardin, Smith said.

Although federal court services are in Billings, Smith contends that the 45 miles of interstate is very likely easier to traverse than several blocks in a metropolitan area.

Any city that takes the detainees is going to have issues to deal with, Smith said. But the federal government won't just dump detainees into an area without bolstering the system to provide them with the due process that is part of Obama's executive order.

"There are 50 states, and some state is going to get this and they're all going to have issues and they're all going to need money," Smith said. "But we have something the others don't."

Smith said Two Rivers Detention Center is a modern, empty facility. It is built so that with just minor conversions it can be upgraded from medium to higher security. Because the detainees would be the only prisoners in the facility, it would be easy to accommodate prisoners' dietary, language and religious requirements.

If someone were to escape, Smith said, there aren't any huge buildings nearby to dodge into. Montana is pretty homogenous, so detainees, many of Middle Eastern descent, would not easily blend into crowds, he said.

And bringing detainees to this area has happened before, Smith said. There were prisoner-of-war camps in Laurel during World War II. There were also internee camps in Missoula and near Powell, Wyo.

Offering a turnkey facility is practically a patriotic duty, Smith said.

"We're offering our president an option," he said. "If he wants it, we have it available. We want to step forward and say, 'Mr. President, we have a solution. How can we make it happen?' "

Smith said there's really no reason for Hardin not to be considered.

"We have to look at the obstacles to overcome and then overcome them," he said. "A lot of it is just getting people to think how it could work."

Two Rivers Authority ran into troubles shortly after construction on the facility finished in July 2007 when the state had no prisoners to send there. Hardin sought contracts with other states to bring in their prisoners, an effort that was shut down for months while the city sued Montana and eventually won the case but hasn't succeeded in finding contracts.

Without prisoners, TRA hasn't been able to repay $27 million in revenue bonds that paid for construction. The project went into default last year. The bond payments are being made from a reserve fund, which would have to be repaid along with the ongoing payments once the facility starts generating revenue.

For Smith and many in Hardin, that can't come soon enough. Smith said it is his job to "uncover every rock" to find ways to get the detention center operating. He knows there are options available, it's just a matter for finding them and seeking out contracts. People who don't like the idea of alleged enemy combatants coming to town can help, he said.

"To those who don't want it, help us find something so we can fill it," Smith said.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2009/04/23/news/state/21-hardin.txt
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Surprise!, no plan "B". How bout hugs for everyone, and we all be friends.

WRONG-- some folks have a Plan B....

Hardin jail tries for detainees from Gitmo
By BECKY SHAY
Of The Gazette Staff

Economic development officials in Hardin are looking at the soon-to-close detention facility in Guantanamo Bay as a possible fix for the jail sitting empty in Hardin.

President Barack Obama signed an executive order Jan. 22 to close the Guantanamo detention facilities in Cuba where hundreds of enemy combatants have been held since 2002. The closure is to occur in a year, during which time remaining detainees must be returned to their home countries or detained elsewhere.

Meanwhile, a 460-bed detention facility sits empty in Hardin. Built by Two Rivers Authority, the city's economic development arm, the facility was meant to bring economic development to Hardin by creating more than 100 high-paying jobs.

While leaders continue to look for contracts to open the jail, which was completed in 2007, people in Hardin have approached Two Rivers executive director Greg Smith saying they have the answer: Get the contract to hold those prisoners from Guantanamo. Smith said he started looking into the process to contract - which still isn't clear - and has talked to other possible players, including federal agencies and staffs of the Montana congressional delegation.

It's also not yet clear which agency would operate the facility that ends up holding the detainees.

The Hardin City Council voted Tuesday to support Two Rivers' efforts.

The council resolution states that the city "fully supports the efforts of the Two Rivers Authority to contact State and Federal officials for the purpose of inquiring into the possibility of housing Guantanamo detainees at the Two Rivers Authority in Hardin, Montana, and to determine whether the Two Rivers Detention Center could provide a safe and secure environment for housing said detainees."

Nationally, the focus has been on Alexandria, Va. The town boasts a detention facility and is close to federal courts.

That's nothing on Hardin, Smith said.

Although federal court services are in Billings, Smith contends that the 45 miles of interstate is very likely easier to traverse than several blocks in a metropolitan area.

Any city that takes the detainees is going to have issues to deal with, Smith said. But the federal government won't just dump detainees into an area without bolstering the system to provide them with the due process that is part of Obama's executive order.

"There are 50 states, and some state is going to get this and they're all going to have issues and they're all going to need money," Smith said. "But we have something the others don't."

Smith said Two Rivers Detention Center is a modern, empty facility. It is built so that with just minor conversions it can be upgraded from medium to higher security. Because the detainees would be the only prisoners in the facility, it would be easy to accommodate prisoners' dietary, language and religious requirements.

If someone were to escape, Smith said, there aren't any huge buildings nearby to dodge into. Montana is pretty homogenous, so detainees, many of Middle Eastern descent, would not easily blend into crowds, he said.

And bringing detainees to this area has happened before, Smith said. There were prisoner-of-war camps in Laurel during World War II. There were also internee camps in Missoula and near Powell, Wyo.

Offering a turnkey facility is practically a patriotic duty, Smith said.

"We're offering our president an option," he said. "If he wants it, we have it available. We want to step forward and say, 'Mr. President, we have a solution. How can we make it happen?' "

Smith said there's really no reason for Hardin not to be considered.

"We have to look at the obstacles to overcome and then overcome them," he said. "A lot of it is just getting people to think how it could work."

Two Rivers Authority ran into troubles shortly after construction on the facility finished in July 2007 when the state had no prisoners to send there. Hardin sought contracts with other states to bring in their prisoners, an effort that was shut down for months while the city sued Montana and eventually won the case but hasn't succeeded in finding contracts.

Without prisoners, TRA hasn't been able to repay $27 million in revenue bonds that paid for construction. The project went into default last year. The bond payments are being made from a reserve fund, which would have to be repaid along with the ongoing payments once the facility starts generating revenue.

For Smith and many in Hardin, that can't come soon enough. Smith said it is his job to "uncover every rock" to find ways to get the detention center operating. He knows there are options available, it's just a matter for finding them and seeking out contracts. People who don't like the idea of alleged enemy combatants coming to town can help, he said.

"To those who don't want it, help us find something so we can fill it," Smith said.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2009/04/23/news/state/21-hardin.txt

Oldtimer if Obama is just going to move these detainees from one prison cell in Cuba to a prison cell in Montana then why bother moving them. I'm pretty sure if you told the detainees they were being moved from Cuba where it is always warm to a State that is freezing cold for 4 to 5 months out of the year They would most likely not want to be moved. :roll:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
“We’re at a complete impasse,” said one American official who is involved in the issue, speaking without authorization. “I don’t know that there’s a viable ‘Plan B.’ ”

If you read the article OT, it states that they will not take them, unless there is some $$ for "rehabilitation", same plan, different prison.

I'm wondering if "rehabilitation" in Yemeni might be like "enhanced interrogation techniques" in a Democrat controlled US.
 
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Anonymous

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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
Surprise!, no plan "B". How bout hugs for everyone, and we all be friends.

WRONG-- some folks have a Plan B....

Hardin jail tries for detainees from Gitmo
By BECKY SHAY
Of The Gazette Staff

Economic development officials in Hardin are looking at the soon-to-close detention facility in Guantanamo Bay as a possible fix for the jail sitting empty in Hardin.

President Barack Obama signed an executive order Jan. 22 to close the Guantanamo detention facilities in Cuba where hundreds of enemy combatants have been held since 2002. The closure is to occur in a year, during which time remaining detainees must be returned to their home countries or detained elsewhere.

Meanwhile, a 460-bed detention facility sits empty in Hardin. Built by Two Rivers Authority, the city's economic development arm, the facility was meant to bring economic development to Hardin by creating more than 100 high-paying jobs.

While leaders continue to look for contracts to open the jail, which was completed in 2007, people in Hardin have approached Two Rivers executive director Greg Smith saying they have the answer: Get the contract to hold those prisoners from Guantanamo. Smith said he started looking into the process to contract - which still isn't clear - and has talked to other possible players, including federal agencies and staffs of the Montana congressional delegation.

It's also not yet clear which agency would operate the facility that ends up holding the detainees.

The Hardin City Council voted Tuesday to support Two Rivers' efforts.

The council resolution states that the city "fully supports the efforts of the Two Rivers Authority to contact State and Federal officials for the purpose of inquiring into the possibility of housing Guantanamo detainees at the Two Rivers Authority in Hardin, Montana, and to determine whether the Two Rivers Detention Center could provide a safe and secure environment for housing said detainees."

Nationally, the focus has been on Alexandria, Va. The town boasts a detention facility and is close to federal courts.

That's nothing on Hardin, Smith said.

Although federal court services are in Billings, Smith contends that the 45 miles of interstate is very likely easier to traverse than several blocks in a metropolitan area.

Any city that takes the detainees is going to have issues to deal with, Smith said. But the federal government won't just dump detainees into an area without bolstering the system to provide them with the due process that is part of Obama's executive order.

"There are 50 states, and some state is going to get this and they're all going to have issues and they're all going to need money," Smith said. "But we have something the others don't."

Smith said Two Rivers Detention Center is a modern, empty facility. It is built so that with just minor conversions it can be upgraded from medium to higher security. Because the detainees would be the only prisoners in the facility, it would be easy to accommodate prisoners' dietary, language and religious requirements.

If someone were to escape, Smith said, there aren't any huge buildings nearby to dodge into. Montana is pretty homogenous, so detainees, many of Middle Eastern descent, would not easily blend into crowds, he said.

And bringing detainees to this area has happened before, Smith said. There were prisoner-of-war camps in Laurel during World War II. There were also internee camps in Missoula and near Powell, Wyo.

Offering a turnkey facility is practically a patriotic duty, Smith said.

"We're offering our president an option," he said. "If he wants it, we have it available. We want to step forward and say, 'Mr. President, we have a solution. How can we make it happen?' "

Smith said there's really no reason for Hardin not to be considered.

"We have to look at the obstacles to overcome and then overcome them," he said. "A lot of it is just getting people to think how it could work."

Two Rivers Authority ran into troubles shortly after construction on the facility finished in July 2007 when the state had no prisoners to send there. Hardin sought contracts with other states to bring in their prisoners, an effort that was shut down for months while the city sued Montana and eventually won the case but hasn't succeeded in finding contracts.

Without prisoners, TRA hasn't been able to repay $27 million in revenue bonds that paid for construction. The project went into default last year. The bond payments are being made from a reserve fund, which would have to be repaid along with the ongoing payments once the facility starts generating revenue.

For Smith and many in Hardin, that can't come soon enough. Smith said it is his job to "uncover every rock" to find ways to get the detention center operating. He knows there are options available, it's just a matter for finding them and seeking out contracts. People who don't like the idea of alleged enemy combatants coming to town can help, he said.

"To those who don't want it, help us find something so we can fill it," Smith said.

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2009/04/23/news/state/21-hardin.txt

Oldtimer if Obama is just going to move these detainees from one prison cell in Cuba to a prison cell in Montana then why bother moving them. I'm pretty sure if you told the detainees they were being moved from Cuba where it is always warm to a State that is freezing cold for 4 to 5 months out of the year They would most likely not want to be moved. :roll:

Just a little thing called the Constitution-- that nowhere in it allows the US Government to forever hold foreign and US citizen detainees on foreign soil- without access to US Courts or Military Tribunals......

And bringing detainees to this area has happened before, Smith said. There were prisoner-of-war camps in Laurel during World War II. There were also internee camps in Missoula and near Powell, Wyo.

I'm pretty sure if you told the detainees they were being moved from Cuba where it is always warm to a State that is freezing cold for 4 to 5 months out of the year They would most likely not want to be moved

My God-- what a left wing liberal cry baby whiner- if the home folks can live here, the detainees should be able to ... :wink: :lol: :p

Don't worry Tam- I guarantee you-knowing you- YOU won't have to worry about being raped and pillaged... :wink: :p :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Tam

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Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
WRONG-- some folks have a Plan B....

Oldtimer if Obama is just going to move these detainees from one prison cell in Cuba to a prison cell in Montana then why bother moving them. I'm pretty sure if you told the detainees they were being moved from Cuba where it is always warm to a State that is freezing cold for 4 to 5 months out of the year They would most likely not want to be moved. :roll:

Just a little thing called the Constitution-- that nowhere in it allows the US Government to forever hold foreign and US citizen detainees on foreign soil- without access to US Courts or Military Tribunals......

And bringing detainees to this area has happened before, Smith said. There were prisoner-of-war camps in Laurel during World War II. There were also internee camps in Missoula and near Powell, Wyo.

I'm pretty sure if you told the detainees they were being moved from Cuba where it is always warm to a State that is freezing cold for 4 to 5 months out of the year They would most likely not want to be moved

My God-- what a left wing liberal cry baby whiner- if the home folks can live here, the detainees should be able to ... :wink: :lol: :p

Don't worry Tam- I guarantee you-knowing you- YOU won't have to worry about being raped and pillaged... :wink: :p :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are about the sickest man I know Oldtimer as only a very sick person would make a joke about someone being raped and pillaged. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Get some damn help. :mad: :mad:
 

Broke Cowboy

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Oldtimer said:
Just a little thing called the Constitution-- that nowhere in it allows the US Government to forever hold foreign and US citizen detainees on foreign soil- without access to US Courts or Military Tribunals......

Other side of the coin OT - where does the Constitiution say the U.S cannot hold them - on foreign ground? Specifically!

I am no constitutional expert - but I bet it does not say that either - so are you twisting words like your leader?

Glad you are looking at importing those nice folks into your back yard - I am sure they will make nice neighbours and you will enjoy holding them in your prison - TO MAKE JOBS! Sheesh - cannot do it down south though because there is no financial benefit.

Great plan B

BC
 

Soapweed

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Tam said:
Oldtimer said:
Tam said:
Oldtimer if Obama is just going to move these detainees from one prison cell in Cuba to a prison cell in Montana then why bother moving them. I'm pretty sure if you told the detainees they were being moved from Cuba where it is always warm to a State that is freezing cold for 4 to 5 months out of the year They would most likely not want to be moved. :roll:

Just a little thing called the Constitution-- that nowhere in it allows the US Government to forever hold foreign and US citizen detainees on foreign soil- without access to US Courts or Military Tribunals......

And bringing detainees to this area has happened before, Smith said. There were prisoner-of-war camps in Laurel during World War II. There were also internee camps in Missoula and near Powell, Wyo.

I'm pretty sure if you told the detainees they were being moved from Cuba where it is always warm to a State that is freezing cold for 4 to 5 months out of the year They would most likely not want to be moved

My God-- what a left wing liberal cry baby whiner- if the home folks can live here, the detainees should be able to ... :wink: :lol: :p

Don't worry Tam- I guarantee you-knowing you- YOU won't have to worry about being raped and pillaged... :wink: :p :lol: :lol: :lol:

You are about the sickest man I know Oldtimer as only a very sick person would make a joke about someone being raped and pillaged. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Get some damn help. :mad: :mad:

You have fallen pretty low, Oldtimer. Probably a conscientious moderator would eliminate your post. Oh, I forgot, you are the moderator.
 

Mike

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It's too bad that we need a moderator.

We really don't. But now it looks as though we need someone to "Moderate" the "Moderator".

One's trueself comes out when you're backed into a corner like Tam backed OT into his.

But then again, we all know he's a sleazebag liar. What else can you expect? :roll:
 

kolanuraven

Well-known member
I vote to pack'em off to Tam.



If that don't put the fear of God or Allah or whatever in them nothing will.

Just might as well make them into a Christmas sleigh decoration if they won't bend to her will.


By the time they got done hearing--24/7-- the Canadian version of how the USA should be run....... & let's not forget that LOVELY weather......they'll be tame as kittens!!!
 

TexasBred

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Is Quantanamo really "foreign soil"??

How did the USA get Guantanamo Bay Cuba?

The history of US control of Guantanamo Bay Cuba goes back to the beginning of the 20th century and the struggle for Cuban independence. In 1903 the US Platt amendment imposed on the nascent government of Cuba that Guantanamo Bay be seceded to the US government
as a pre condition to Cuban independence. Ever since 1903, Guantanamo Bay has remained under US military control and is considered to be US territory upon which Cubans cannot enter. In 1934, US president Theodore Roosevelt changed the terms of ownership of Guantanamo Bay from outright US ownership to a 99 year lease agreement between the Cuban and US Governments. This movement was intended to placate Cuban nationalist sentiment which felt humiliated at having to give land to the USA. In reality this agreement made no difference to the status quo as under the terms of the lease agreement the acceptance of both parties was necessary to terminate the lease agreement.
 

TexasBred

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OT...what the hell is Montana doing with a huge "unused" prison?? Expecting an upturn in crime that didn't materialize?? Build a prison to create jobs and stimulate the economy but nobody to put in it. Sounds like you guys were ahead of your time.
 
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