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No Thanks for Thanksgiving

Whitewing

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Yeah, the follow tripe is just one man's tripe, but it's the sort of tripe that will most surely become more and more prevalent (and acceptable) as time goes on.

Get used to it. From here forward there will be a steady stream of it. Those of you who thought your ancestors did their part to make America great will learn instead that all that's wrong with America actually rests on your shoulders.

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http://www.alternet.org/culture/no-thanks-thanksgiving

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
These perople should do a little reading up on Thanksgiving.

WW, itès like our buddy with all the apartments that thinks Thanksgiving is an American holiday, that Canadians are celebrating wrong. :lol:
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
Yeah, the follow tripe is just one man's tripe, but it's the sort of tripe that will most surely become more and more prevalent (and acceptable) as time goes on.

Get used to it. From here forward there will be a steady stream of it. Those of you who thought your ancestors did their part to make America great will learn instead that all that's wrong with America actually rests on your shoulders.

=================================

http://www.alternet.org/culture/no-thanks-thanksgiving

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

I think they should see their ideas to it's ultimate conclusion and move back to Europe.

I'm going to continue my fast... and see how fast I can eat all my desert.
 

Steve

Well-known member
and example of what is taught in a typical classroom..

Thanksgiving at Plymouth

In September 1620, a small ship called the Mayflower left Plymouth, England, carrying 102 passengers—an assortment of religious separatists seeking a new home where they could freely practice their faith and other individuals lured by the promise of prosperity and land ownership in the New World. After a treacherous and uncomfortable crossing that lasted 66 days, they dropped anchor near the tip of Cape Cod, far north of their intended destination at the mouth of the Hudson River. One month later, the Mayflower crossed Massachusetts Bay, where the Pilgrims, as they are now commonly known, began the work of establishing a village at Plymouth.

Throughout that first brutal winter, most of the colonists remained on board the ship, where they suffered from exposure, scurvy and outbreaks of contagious disease. Only half of the Mayflower’s original passengers and crew lived to see their first New England spring. In March, the remaining settlers moved ashore, where they received an astonishing visit from an Abenaki Indian who greeted them in English. Several days later, he returned with another Native American, Squanto, a member of the Pawtuxet tribe who had been kidnapped by an English sea captain and sold into slavery before escaping to London and returning to his homeland on an exploratory expedition. Squanto taught the Pilgrims, weakened by malnutrition and illness, how to cultivate corn, extract sap from maple trees, catch fish in the rivers and avoid poisonous plants. He also helped the settlers forge an alliance with the Wampanoag, a local tribe, which would endure for more than 50 years

In November 1621, after the Pilgrims’ first corn harvest proved successful, Governor William Bradford organized a celebratory feast and invited a group of the fledgling colony’s Native American allies, including the Wampanoag chief Massasoit. Now remembered as American’s “first Thanksgiving”—although the Pilgrims themselves may not have used the term at the time—the festival lasted for three days. While no record exists of the historic banquet’s exact menu, the Pilgrim chronicler Edward Winslow wrote in his journal that Governor Bradford sent four men on a “fowling” mission in preparation for the event, and that the Wampanoag guests arrived bearing five deer. Historians have suggested that many of the dishes were likely prepared using traditional Native American spices and cooking methods. Because the Pilgrims had no oven and the Mayflower’s sugar supply had dwindled by the fall of 1621, the meal did not feature pies, cakes or other desserts, which have become a hallmark of contemporary celebrations.

no pies.. a friend of my brothers made an apple pie for thanksgiving.. with no sugar and all natural ingredients.. and it was delicious and sweet..

so.. history's examples might not always be right..


a historian example with citations.

Voyage
Model of a typical merchantman of the period, showing the cramped conditions that had to be endured.
The Pilgrims on the Speedwell

In July 1620, Speedwell departed Delfshaven with the Leiden colonists. Reaching Southampton, Hampshire, they met with Mayflower and the additional colonists hired by the investors. With final arrangements made, the two vessels set out on August 5 (Old Style)/August 15 (New Style).[24]

Soon thereafter, the Speedwell crew reported that their ship was taking in water, so both were diverted to Dartmouth, Devon. There it was inspected for leaks and sealed, but a second attempt to depart also failed, bringing them only so far as Plymouth, Devon. It was decided that Speedwell was untrustworthy, and it was sold; the ship's master and some of the crew transferred to Mayflower for the trip. It would later be learned that crew members had deliberately caused the ship to leak, allowing them to abandon their year-long commitments

Of the 121 combined passengers, 102 were chosen to travel on Mayflower with the supplies consolidated. The reduced party finally sailed successfully on September 6/September 16, 1620.

Initially the trip went smoothly, but under way they were met with strong winds and storms. One of these caused a main beam to crack, and although they were more than half the way to their destination, the possibility of turning back was considered. Using a "great iron screw" (probably a jack to be used for house construction)[26] brought along by the colonists, they repaired the ship sufficiently to continue. One passenger, John Howland, was washed overboard in the storm but caught a top sail halyard trailing in the water and was pulled back on board.

One crew member and one passenger died before they reached land. A child was born at sea and named "Oceanus"

Arrival in America
Landing of the Pilgrims by Michele Felice Cornè, circa 1805. Displayed in the White House
1620 place names mentioned by Bradford

Land was sighted on November 9,1620. The passengers who had endured miserable conditions for about sixty-five days were led by William Brewster in Psalm 100 as a prayer of thanksgiving. It was confirmed that the area was Cape Cod, within the New England territory recommended by Weston. An attempt was made to sail the ship around the cape towards the Hudson River, also within the New England grant area, but they encountered shoals and difficult currents around Malabar (a land mass that formerly existed in the vicinity of present-day Monomoy). It was decided to turn around, and by November 11/November 21 the ship was anchored in what is today known as Provincetown Harbor.

even the start of the voyage had it's problems with some going as far a to sabotage the second ship... while others worked heroically to save the one remaining to continue the voyage.


Mayflower Compact

With the charter for the Plymouth Council for New England incomplete by the time the colonists departed England (it would be granted while they were in transit, on November 3/November 13),[22] they arrived without a patent; the older Wincob patent was from their abandoned dealings with the London Company. Some of the passengers, aware of the situation, suggested that without a patent in place, they were free to do as they chose upon landing and ignore the contract with the investors.

what,.. more folk not wanting ot live up to the contract they had agreed to?

To address this issue, a brief contract, later to be known as the Mayflower Compact, was drafted promising cooperation among the settlers "for the general good of the Colony unto which we promise all due submission and obedience."

in which issues would be decided by that key ingredient of democracy, voting. It was ratified by majority rule, with 41 adult male passengers signing.[32] At this time, John Carver was chosen as the colony's first governor. It was Carver who had chartered the Mayflower, and being the most respected and affluent member of the group, his is the first signature on the Mayflower Compact. The Mayflower Compact was the seed of American democracy and has been called the world's first written constitution.

well so far.. so good.. 41 out of 102 .. means some didn't buy into the idea.. but like our elections. ... enough did.. so the rest must have soon followed after the new leadership..

First landings

Thorough exploration of the area was delayed for over two weeks because the shallop or pinnace (a smaller sailing vessel) they brought had been partially dismantled to fit aboard the Mayflower and was further damaged in transit. Small parties, however, waded to the beach to fetch firewood and attend to long-deferred personal hygiene.

While awaiting the shallop, exploratory parties led by Myles Standish—an English soldier the colonists had met while in Leiden—and Christopher Jones were undertaken. They encountered several old buildings, both European-built[citation needed] and Native-built, and a few recently cultivated fields.

An artificial mound was found near the dunes, which they partially uncovered and found to be a Native grave. Further along, a similar mound, more recently made, was found, and as the colonists feared they might otherwise starve, they ventured to remove some of the provisions which had been placed in the grave. Baskets of maize were found inside, some of which the colonists took and placed into an iron kettle they also found nearby, while they reburied the rest, intending to use the corn as seed for planting.

what,.. they desecrated graves.. :?

Contact

Explorations resumed on December 6/December 16. The shallop party—seven colonists from Leiden, three from London, and seven crew—headed south along the cape and chose to land at the area inhabited by the Nauset people (roughly, present-day Brewster, Chatham, Eastham, Harwich and Orleans), where they saw some native people on the shore, who fled when the colonists approached. Inland they found more mounds, one containing acorns, which they exhumed and left, and more graves, which they decided not to dig.

Remaining ashore overnight, they heard cries near the encampment. The following morning, they were met by native people who proceeded to shoot at them with arrows. The colonists retrieved their firearms and shot back, then chased the native people into the woods but did not find them. There was no more contact with native people for several months.

The local people were already familiar with the English, who had intermittently visited the area for fishing and trade before Mayflower arrived. In the Cape Cod area, relations were poor following a visit several years earlier by Thomas Hunt. Hunt kidnapped twenty people from Patuxet (the place that would become New Plymouth) and another seven from Nausett, and he attempted to sell them as slaves in Europe.
The Pokanoket, who also lived nearby, had developed a particular dislike for the English after one group came in, captured numerous people, and shot them aboard their ship. There had by this time already been reciprocal killings at Martha's Vineyard and Cape Cod.

hmm,. may be things were not going well.. from the beginning... but they may have gotten just a bit worse already..

The cleared village, known as Patuxet to the Wampanoag people, was abandoned about three years earlier following a plague that killed all of its residents. Because the disease involved hemorrhaging,[37] the "Indian fever" is assumed to have been fulminating smallpox introduced by European traders. The outbreak had been severe enough that the colonists discovered unburied skeletons in abandoned dwellings.[38] With the local population in such a weakened state, the colonists faced no resistance to settling there.

The exploratory party returned to Mayflower, which was then brought to the harbor on December 16/December 26. Only nearby sites were evaluated, with a hill in Plymouth (so named on earlier charts)[39] chosen on December 19/December 29.

Construction commenced immediately, with the first common house nearly completed by January 9/January 19. At this point, single men were ordered to join with families. Each extended family was assigned a plot and built its own dwelling. Supplies were brought ashore, and the settlement was mostly complete by early February.

I guess when a northeast winter is fast approaching a plague is the least of their problems..


Between the landing and March, only 47 colonists had survived the diseases they contracted on the ship. During the worst of the sickness, only six or seven of the group were able and willing to feed and care for the rest. In this time, half the Mayflower crew also died

On March 22, 1621, the Pilgrims of Plymouth Colony signed a peace treaty with Massasoit of the Wampanoags.

well finally they decided to get along with the Indians.. and then they must have had the first thanksgiving feast...

The first documented thanksgiving feasts in territory currently belonging to the United States were conducted by Spaniards in the 16th century.[5][6][7] Thanksgiving services were routine in what was to become the Commonwealth of Virginia as early as 1607,[8] with the first permanent settlement of Jamestown, Virginia holding a thanksgiving in 1610.[5]

well at least they later had a first thanksgiving with the Indians..

On December 4, 1619, 38 English settlers arrived at Berkeley Hundred, which comprised about 8,000 acres (3,200 ha) on the north bank of the James River, near Herring Creek, in an area then known as Charles Cittie, about 20 miles (32 km) upstream from Jamestown, where the first permanent settlement of the Colony of Virginia had been established on May 14, 1607.

The group's charter required that the day of arrival be observed yearly as a "day of thanksgiving" to God. On that first day, Captain John Woodlief held the service of thanksgiving. As quoted from the section of the Charter of Berkeley Hundred specifying the thanksgiving service: "We ordaine that the day of our ships arrival at the place assigned for plantacon in the land of Virginia shall be yearly and perpetually kept holy as a day of thanksgiving to Almighty God."[9]

During the Indian massacre of 1622, nine of the settlers at Berkeley Hundreds were killed, as well as about a third of the entire population of the Virginia Colony. The Berkeley Hundred site and other outlying locations were abandoned as the colonists withdrew to Jamestown and other more secure points.

I guess the Indians didn't get the invite?.. no wonder they were p--s--d off..

Thanksgiving observed by the Pilgrims at Plymouth
The First Thanksgiving 1621, oil on canvas by Jean Leon Gerome Ferris (1863–1930). The painting shows common misconceptions about the event that persist to modern times: Pilgrims did not wear such outfits, and the Wampanoag are dressed in the style of Plains Indians.[10]

The modern Thanksgiving holiday traces its origins from a 1621 celebration at the Plymouth Plantation, where the Plymouth settlers held a harvest feast after a successful growing season. This was continued in later years, first as an impromptu religious observance, and later as a civil tradition.

The Pilgrims celebrated at Plymouth for three days after their first harvest, in 1621. Seventeenth century accounts do not identify this as a Thanksgiving observance, rather it followed the harvest. Two colonists gave personal accounts of the 1621 feast in Plymouth, Massachusetts. The Pilgrims, most of whom were Separatists, are not to be confused with Puritans who established their own Massachusetts Bay Colony nearby (current day Boston) in 1628 and had very different religious beliefs.[11]

William Bradford, in Of Plymouth Plantation:

They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercised in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they came first (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck a meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to the proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned but true reports.

Edward Winslow, in Mourt's Relation:

Our harvest being gotten in, our governor sent four men on fowling, that so we might after a special manner rejoice together after we had gathered the fruits of our labor. They four in one day killed as much fowl as, with a little help beside, served the company almost a week. At which time, amongst other recreations, we exercised our arms, many of the Indians coming amongst us, and among the rest their greatest king Massasoit, with some ninety men, whom for three days we entertained and feasted, and they went out and killed five deer, which we brought to the plantation and bestowed on our governor, and upon the captain and others. And although it be not always so plentiful as it was at this time with us, yet by the goodness of God, we are so far from want that we often wish you partakers of our plenty.

The Pilgrims held another Thanksgiving celebration in 1623, after a switch from communal farming to privatized farming,[12][13] a fast,[14] and a refreshing 14-day rain[14][15] resulted in a larger harvest.

well no point making a big deal out of the Indian who helped them was once a slave..

even the historical accounts tend to either make things out as only bad times.. or are sanitized a bit...

it is a story of extreme hardship.. and should be told honestly..

By November 1621, only 53 pilgrims were alive to celebrate the harvest feast which modern Americans know as "The First Thanksgiving."[39] Of the 18 adult women, 13 died the first winter while another died in May. Only four adult women were left alive for the Thanksgiving

yet in the version we now have.. we would not know that only four adult woman survived..

Early relations with the Native Americans

After the departure of Massasoit and his men, Squanto remained in Plymouth to teach the Pilgrims how to survive in New England, for example using dead fish to fertilize the soil. For the first few years of colonial life, the fur trade (buying furs from Native Americans and selling to Europeans) was the dominant source of income beyond subsistence farming.

wait,.. weren't we left to believe that the Indian saved us,taught us how to make it and then we had thanksgiving?...

when in fact.. the Indians helped a bit.. made a treaty,.. joined a harvest thanksgiving feast. .. and then a few stayed behind to help the pilgrims learn how to live in the new world...

our children play violent games and watch violence on TV.. why do educators feel they can't be taught the truth?

History is complex.. and the real story fascinating.. it was not the beginning of a tradition.. but the start of accepting natives as partners..

something later settlers forgot..

maybe if the lesson was taught honestly they wouldn't have forgotten so easily?
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
okfarmer said:
Whitewing said:
Yeah, the follow tripe is just one man's tripe, but it's the sort of tripe that will most surely become more and more prevalent (and acceptable) as time goes on.

Get used to it. From here forward there will be a steady stream of it. Those of you who thought your ancestors did their part to make America great will learn instead that all that's wrong with America actually rests on your shoulders.

=================================

http://www.alternet.org/culture/no-thanks-thanksgiving

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

I think they should see their ideas to it's ultimate conclusion and move back to Europe.

I'm going to continue my fast... and see how fast I can eat all my desert.

Wow, that post didn't make much sense.

Every once in awhile, I hit some keys on my keyboard that changes punctuation etc.

Don't know how to correct it, except for shuttting down the computer and starting again from scratch.
 

okfarmer

Well-known member
hypocritexposer said:
okfarmer said:
Whitewing said:
Yeah, the follow tripe is just one man's tripe, but it's the sort of tripe that will most surely become more and more prevalent (and acceptable) as time goes on.

Get used to it. From here forward there will be a steady stream of it. Those of you who thought your ancestors did their part to make America great will learn instead that all that's wrong with America actually rests on your shoulders.

=================================

http://www.alternet.org/culture/no-thanks-thanksgiving

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

I think they should see their ideas to it's ultimate conclusion and move back to Europe.

I'm going to continue my fast... and see how fast I can eat all my desert.

Wow, that post didn't make much sense.

Every once in awhile, I hit some keys on my keyboard that changes punctuation etc.

Don't know how to correct it, except for shuttting down the computer and starting again from scratch.

I guess that makes two of us, not sure what you're driving at?
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
okfarmer said:
hypocritexposer said:
okfarmer said:
I think they should see their ideas to it's ultimate conclusion and move back to Europe.

I'm going to continue my fast... and see how fast I can eat all my desert.

Wow, that post didn't make much sense.

Every once in awhile, I hit some keys on my keyboard that changes punctuation etc.

Don't know how to correct it, except for shuttting down the computer and starting again from scratch.

I guess that makes two of us, not sure what you're driving at?


:oops:


not your post OkFarmer, but mine up above. Take a look at the weird apostrophes etc.
 

James T

Well-known member
Whitewing said:
Yeah, the follow tripe is just one man's tripe, but it's the sort of tripe that will most surely become more and more prevalent (and acceptable) as time goes on.

Get used to it. From here forward there will be a steady stream of it. Those of you who thought your ancestors did their part to make America great will learn instead that all that's wrong with America actually rests on your shoulders.

=================================

http://www.alternet.org/culture/no-thanks-thanksgiving

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

Whitewing, you have a lot of gobbledygook here. If you were to check up on a list of the hardest working countries you would find the US right in the middle of the pack and Venezuela not even rating. So, let the workers have their time off to rest. Call it whatever day you want to - who really cares? Thanksgiving, like Xmas, New Years, Easter, Mothers Day and Fathers Day are all BS and nothing more than commercialism - a capitalistic opportunity.
 
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James T said:
Whitewing said:
Yeah, the follow tripe is just one man's tripe, but it's the sort of tripe that will most surely become more and more prevalent (and acceptable) as time goes on.

Get used to it. From here forward there will be a steady stream of it. Those of you who thought your ancestors did their part to make America great will learn instead that all that's wrong with America actually rests on your shoulders.

=================================

http://www.alternet.org/culture/no-thanks-thanksgiving

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

Whitewing, you have a lot of gobbledygook here. If you were to check up on a list of the hardest working countries you would find the US right in the middle of the pack and Venezuela not even rating. So, let the workers have their time off to rest. Call it whatever day you want to - who really cares? Thanksgiving, like Xmas, New Years, Easter, Mothers Day and Fathers Day are all BS and nothing more than commercialism - a capitalistic opportunity.


James T-- you hit the nail on the head--- and this year it is even more evident with some of these major capitalistic chain stores not even waiting til Black Friday to sell, sell, sell--opening on Thanksgiving afternoon.-- and in doing so requiring their employees to work what used to be thought of as a day to spend home with the family...

At the rate the major chains and corporate world are heading- all these holidays will only be for $$$$.... Besides the big chain stores staying open late for Christmas eve shopping-- soon they will be having Christmas morning bargains and stores open every day of the year...
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Oldtimer said:
James T said:
Whitewing said:
Yeah, the follow tripe is just one man's tripe, but it's the sort of tripe that will most surely become more and more prevalent (and acceptable) as time goes on.

Get used to it. From here forward there will be a steady stream of it. Those of you who thought your ancestors did their part to make America great will learn instead that all that's wrong with America actually rests on your shoulders.

=================================

http://www.alternet.org/culture/no-thanks-thanksgiving

One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

Whitewing, you have a lot of gobbledygook here. If you were to check up on a list of the hardest working countries you would find the US right in the middle of the pack and Venezuela not even rating. So, let the workers have their time off to rest. Call it whatever day you want to - who really cares? Thanksgiving, like Xmas, New Years, Easter, Mothers Day and Fathers Day are all BS and nothing more than commercialism - a capitalistic opportunity.


James T-- you hit the nail on the head--- and this year it is even more evident with some of these major capitalistic chain stores not even waiting til Black Friday to sell, sell, sell--opening on Thanksgiving afternoon.-- and in doing so requiring their employees to work what used to be thought of as a day to spend home with the family...

At the rate the major chains and corporate world are heading- all these holidays will only be for $$$$.... Besides the big chain stores staying open late for Christmas eve shopping-- soon they will be having Christmas morning bargains and stores open every day of the year...


So you want the Government to make Christian holidays "official", but don't want any Christian displays?

President Abraham Lincoln proclaimed a national day of "Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens"

You can't have it both ways. If you want to put any importance on religious holidays, then you have to show religion, some importance.


Sundays, used to be a "day of rest", based on religious beliefs. And then the "left' argued that it was not a religious day and fought for the right for stores to stay open on Sunday's, to give the "working class" another day of income.

And now you are bitching and moaning, cause religious holidays have been commercialized.

:roll:


You got what you wished for, are you not happy?
 

loomixguy

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For the past 6 years, I have been fortunate enough to work on every single holiday mentioned, including Easter & Mother's & Father's Day multiple times, with Thanksgiving every time, for NO extra or holiday pay, paid time off (PTO), overtime, or any compensation of any kind other than straight salary.

It SUCKS to begin to have the house fill up with family & friends, only to have to leave for the next 12 hours. This Thanksgiving was no exception. Thankfully I escaped having to work Christmas last year & will be off for it this year as well. It also SUCKS to have to burn a vacation day or a personal day off to watch my son play football or basketball. I was able to attend 2 of his football games this fall and I will watch him play basketball Friday night. He's a starter in both sports as a sophomore.

On one hand, I am thankful that I have a job that provides me with damn good health insurance and some other benefits. On the other hand, I sometimes feel like I sold my soul to the devil for health insurance. I'm not there for the pay....it actually costs me money at times to be at my "job".....but I soldier on. For now.......

All those stores wouldn't have to be open all those hours if ID10T's with EBT cards & welfare dough could get their asses out of bed and get what they need before hand, including gas, smokes, and 40's. But then it's not like they have jobs to get up for..... :roll:
 

Steve

Well-known member
I worked my fair share of holidays in the military.. and never complained.. even took duty a few times when I was single, to let friends be with family..

some jobs are needed.. most are not...


All those stores wouldn't have to be open all those hours if

I simply refuse to go to a store on a holiday.. and avoid them at all costs on a Sunday...

if the stores posted a loss.. they would soon close on holidays..
 
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Steve said:
I worked my fair share of holidays in the military.. and never complained.. even took duty a few times when I was single, to let friends be with family..

some jobs are needed.. most are not...

All those stores wouldn't have to be open all those hours if

I simply refuse to go to a store on a holiday.. and avoid them at all costs on a Sunday...

if the stores posted a loss.. they would soon close on holidays..

I agree Steve.... As most folks know- the holiday periods are some of the busiest for law enforcement and the coroners offices- so spent many of 30 years working - and almost all on call...Two of the worst/most dangerous scenerios I ever was involved in I was called out of Christmas morning Church services to respond to- and several others involved around the holiday period.... And with a wife that was involved in X-Ray/ Nuclear Medicine/Ultrasound we spent most of the holidays on call---BUT we as a family worked to make them as much of a family event as we could-- and darn sure didn't go shopping.....
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
I worked my fair share of holidays in the military.. and never complained.. even took duty a few times when I was single, to let friends be with family..

some jobs are needed.. most are not...

All those stores wouldn't have to be open all those hours if

I simply refuse to go to a store on a holiday.. and avoid them at all costs on a Sunday...

if the stores posted a loss.. they would soon close on holidays..

I agree Steve.... As most folks know- the holiday periods are some of the busiest for law enforcement and the coroners offices- so spent many of 30 years working - and almost all on call...Two of the worst/most dangerous scenerios I ever was involved in I was called out of Christmas morning Church services to respond to- and several others involved around the holiday period.... And with a wife that was involved in X-Ray/ Nuclear Medicine/Ultrasound we spent most of the holidays on call---BUT we as a family worked to make them as much of a family event as we could-- and darn sure didn't go shopping.....


How often do you go to the "watering hole", on a Sunday?
 
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hypocritexposer said:
Oldtimer said:
Steve said:
I worked my fair share of holidays in the military.. and never complained.. even took duty a few times when I was single, to let friends be with family..

some jobs are needed.. most are not...



I simply refuse to go to a store on a holiday.. and avoid them at all costs on a Sunday...

if the stores posted a loss.. they would soon close on holidays..

I agree Steve.... As most folks know- the holiday periods are some of the busiest for law enforcement and the coroners offices- so spent many of 30 years working - and almost all on call...Two of the worst/most dangerous scenerios I ever was involved in I was called out of Christmas morning Church services to respond to- and several others involved around the holiday period.... And with a wife that was involved in X-Ray/ Nuclear Medicine/Ultrasound we spent most of the holidays on call---BUT we as a family worked to make them as much of a family event as we could-- and darn sure didn't go shopping.....


How often do you go to the "watering hole", on a Sunday?

Its been so long ago I can't remember- definitely not often....Once in awhile either after Sunday services or instead (hate to go when one of us is on call) we do go to one of the local eating establishments for their Sunday breakfast/brunches--- altho most the family (and myself) prefer my cooking sour dough pancakes and whatever.... :D
 

hopalong

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smalltime said:
Ive read them.Thats still no excuse.
And there
is for him to be allolwed to make false accutastions?????????

No wonder this country is in such a sad state of affairs when thoughts like that exist,,,one can get by with anything but you condeem every one else for the same thing :roll:

OK If you say so :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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