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North American Union - Canadians Beware!

MoGal

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Sounds to me like Canadians need to start researching this meeting. Clinton gave away Yellowstone to the United Nations and if Gore had been elected he wanted to give away the water rights of the USA to the United Nations.......... don't people realize that when you give away water rights that gives control to someone else as no one can live w/o water.

Here's the link: http://www.mexidata.info/id1456.html
Monday, July 23, 2007

Canadians in the Dark About SPP Union with the USA and Mexico

By Kevin Parkinson

· The purpose of the Canada-USA-Mexico meeting in August, at Montebello, Quebec, is to ratify the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America

In less than a month’s time, on August 20, the most powerful president in the world will be arriving in Montebello, Quebec, for a two-day conference. President George W. Bush will be meeting with Stephen Harper and their Mexican counterpart, Felipe Calderon. So far, the silence from the Canadian and American media has been deafening.

Talk to 90 percent of people on the street and they won’t know about this upcoming conference, and if by a slim chance they do, they won’t know the purpose of the meeting or why the leaders of Canada, the United States and Mexico are meeting in the dog days of summer under what amounts to a veil of secrecy.

So, what’s this upcoming conference all about, and why are the newspapers, radio and television keeping silent about it?

The purpose of the upcoming conference is to ratify the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) of North America, which was initiated by Bush, Martin and ex-President Vicente Fox in 2005 in Waco, Texas. Essentially, this so-called ‘partnership’ will result in what the politicians refer to as ‘continental integration’ — newspeak for a North American Union — and basically a harmonization of 100’s of regulations, policies and laws.

In layman’s terms it means that once this ‘partnership’ has been ratified, which is a fait accompli, we will be following in the footsteps of the European Union. It will mean that Canada will become part of the North American Union by 2010, and that our resources, agricultural, health and environment issues, to name a few, will be controlled not by Canada but by the government of the North American Union.

A huge ‘NAFTA’ highway, one quarter of a mile wide, is already being built in Texas, where private land is being expropriated, and will eventually reach the Manitoba border.

Water will be the ‘issue’ of this century, as more than 25 states in the United States are currently in desperate need. Where do you think they will get the water they need?

The United States is already guaranteed 60 percent of our natural gas resources from NAFTA, which means that even during emergencies, when we need energy, we will have to import it, while we are forced to export gas to the U.S. This is just one example of how Canada is being shortchanged, and it’s only going to get worse.

Why has there been absolutely NO public consultation on the biggest issue (North American Union) facing Canadians since Confederation? Why isn’t Guy Lauzon, our local MP for Stormont, Dundas and South Glengarry, holding town hall meetings, bringing in cabinet ministers and explaining how the emerging North American Union will affect our Canadian way of life? Ask the citizens of Canada for their feedback. Isn’t that how democracy is supposed to work?

Folks, I suggest that Mr. Lauzon isn’t even aware of the SPP or the North American Union, which explains why the Conservative government has denied all Canadians information to which they are entitled. If he does have something to say about it, then let him raise the issue in our riding.

Furthermore, the example of the North American Union illustrates that our government claims to be democratic — but in fact does it act like one, or does it prefer to make the big decisions at committee level behind closed doors, while masking its real intentions?

The ratification of the SPP, and the emergence of the North American Union, have been organized entirely by government committees and private enterprise. I refer readers to my website at www.realitycheck.typepad.com for further information on the North American Union.

If our citizenry allows the North American Union to come into existence, then our way of life will change drastically, for the years to come. With privatization of our resources, increased foreign ownership, and a Canadian government with less and less authority, our children and grandchildren will become ‘North Americans’ and our quality of life will drastically decline.

The founding fathers of Canada must be rolling over in their graves.
 

MoGal

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Looks like we're all being sold out to communist China

http://www.aim.org/aim_column/5624_0_3_0_C/

Selling America to Communist China
By Cliff Kincaid | July 23, 2007 There are certain facts that "cannot be disputed," and that when you "connect the dots," people will get the big picture.
In remarks on July 20 to a Freedom 21 conference in Dallas, Texas, conservative leader Phyllis Schlafly declared that the Chinese communists intend to exploit development of a North American Union in order to bring more cheap goods into the U.S. and destroy more American jobs.

The Freedom 21 conference, organized by Tom DeWeese of the American Policy Center and Cathie Adams of Eagle Forum of Texas, was devoted to highlighting the erosion of American sovereignty through an ongoing process that aims to economically and politically integrate the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

Schlafly, president of Eagle Forum, highlighted the role of Democratic Party foreign policy specialist Robert Pastor in the unfolding plan. Pastor helped lead the campaign to surrender U.S. control of the Panama Canal through the Panama Canal Treaty, a development that has taken on added significance in view of the fact that a Chinese firm, Hutchison Whampoa, now controls not only the ports at both ends of the Panama Canal but ports and terminals in Mexico. The company has close ties to the Chinese regime.

Speaking at the same conference, Rep. Duncan Hunter, a Republican presidential candidate, said unfair Chinese trade was decimating America's industrial base and that the communist regime was using "crisp new American trade dollars" to build up its war machine.

Schlafly came close to endorsing Hunter for president, declaring, "Wouldn't it be wonderful to have him in the White House?" She said he was "right on every issue" and "he's the only one of all the candidates who talks about the jobs issue, and I think that is the coming big issue in the next election." Her remarks followed Hunter's speech.

New Book Highlights Threat

She strongly recommended Jerome Corsi's new book, The Late Great USA, which argues that a North American Union would provide China another "economic advantage" over the U.S., with ominous national security implications.

Indeed, Corsi comes close to arguing that China is the ultimate power broker behind the scheme, saying that "In order to solidify its economic superiority over North America, Red China is working to restructure the North American transportation infrastructure."

It also turns out, according to information presented at the conference by Oklahoma activist Amanda Teegarden, as well as Corsi's book, that a Hutchison Whampoa subsidiary is a major investor in a firm, Savi Networks, that has developed a radio technology to track and manage cargo shipments. Hutchison Whampoa owns 49 percent of the firm, with 51 percent owned by U.S. defense contractor Lockheed Martin. In 2006, Lockheed Martin was the top contributor among military contractors to candidates for federal office and national political parties. Fifty-eight percent of its money went to Republicans.

Schlafly also attacked so-called "patent reform," now moving through Congress, which she said would benefit China by forcing Americans to put information about their inventions on the Internet where it could be stolen. And she warned against President Bush's plan to "to put all the illegal aliens in Social Security," a scheme called "totalization," which would "break the bank."

Several speakers at the Freedom 21 conference were activists from Texas and Oklahoma opposed to the building of corridors or "NAFTA highways" through their states to bring goods from Mexico to the U.S. Organizations represented at the conference included Oklahomans for Sovereignty and Free Enterprise, Corridor Watch, and Texans Uniting for Reform & Freedom.

"The purpose is to bring in cheap goods from China," Schlafly declared. "The plan is to bring the cheap Chinese goods and the containers across the Pacific and then dock at the Mexican Pacific port Lazaro Cardenas and then bring them up on the railroad that's already in place, put them in the Mexican trucks and bring them up the NAFTA highway. And they will never be inspected until they get to Kansas City."

Schlafly said that we are witnessing the unfolding of a plan that is based on a series of steps, including passage of "free trade" agreements, creation of a common market and a monetary and economic union, the establishment of international trade tribunals to govern trade and other disputes between the U.S., Canada and Mexico, and the use of a single currency for North America.

"Their model is the European Union," she said.

North American Institutions

Accuracy in Media has confirmed this, having reported on a Washington conference on development of a North American legal system where participants were told of proposals to create North American institutions, including a "North American Court of Justice" with the power to overrule the U.S. Supreme Court. Robert Pastor, who claims to be in favor of a North American "community," not a union, presided over the conference.

Robert Pastor, who also runs the Center for North American Studies at American University, helps facilitate model "North American Parliament" meetings where students play the role of delegates to a trilateral legislature. One of his students, Marlon Brown, has written about Pastor's personal vision and plans for a "North American Parliament."

The White House, which claims the North American Union is a myth, has announced that Bush will travel to Montebello, Quebec, Canada to meet with Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada and President Felipe Calderon of Mexico at the "North American Leaders' Summit" on August 20-21. "The leaders will review progress and continued cooperation under the Security and Prosperity Partnership, as well as discuss hemispheric and global issues," the White House says.

The Security and Prosperity Partnership is seen by critics as a key part of the North American Union (NAU) plan. The SPP, an executive branch initiative, has never been approved by Congress but has nevertheless resulted in the creation of dozens of working groups involving officials from the U.S., Canada and Mexico meeting to "harmonize" the laws and regulations of the three countries. The public interest law firm Judicial Watch has been forced to go through the Freedom of Information Act to get information about the activities of these groups.

Opposition Developing

In the House, Rep. Virgil Goode (R-Va.) has introduced House Concurrent Resolution 40 opposing the NAU. No formal opposition has yet surfaced in the U.S. Senate.

Conservative Caucus chairman Howard Phillips has announced that opponents of the NAU will hold a press conference on August 20 in Ottawa, Canada, on the occasion of the upcoming SPP meeting. The press conference will be held at the Marriott Ottawa from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m.

Schlafly was the first national commentator to write about the prospect of a North American Union, noting in a July 13, 2005 column that the influential Council on Foreign Relations had just issued a report urging an "integrated North American Community."

Schlafly, who almost single-handedly stopped passage of the so-called Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, urged participants in the Freedom 21 conference to vigorously oppose the North American Union, which she noted has received little media coverage, save for Lou Dobbs of CNN. She also noted that some members of Congress claim not to know anything about it or dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.

However, Schlafly said, there are certain facts that "cannot be disputed," and that when you "connect the dots," people will get the big picture.

She said some of the key dates in this process were:

April 2001. President Bush endorses the "Declaration of Quebec City," featuring a commitment to "hemispheric integration."

March, 2005. Bush and the leaders of Canada and Mexico announce the Security and Prosperity Partnership.

May 2005. The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) issues its report endorsing creation by 2010 of a North American economic and security "community" with a common security "perimeter," open borders to facilitate the movement of trade, capital and people, and a North American "tribunal" to resolve trade disputes.

June 2005. Former Carter Administration official Robert Pastor presents the plan to a sympathetic session of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, then-headed by Senator Richard Lugar.

March 2006. Bush and the leaders of Mexico and Canada hold another meeting, calling it the "first anniversary" of the SPP.

May 2006. Bush gives speech calling for "comprehensive immigration reform."

2007. The Senate immigration bill is introduced, with a provision calling for the acceleration of the SPP.

Schlafly said the only explanation for the determination by the White House and congressional liberals to pass immigration "reform" is that the "powers that be" want the economic integration of North America. She identified them as belonging to powerful organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, whose membership once included top State Department official and communist spy Alger Hiss.

Speaking to the assembled activists and concerned citizens, Schlafly said, "Something terrible is happening to our country and it's up to people like you to stop it before it's too late."
 
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In layman’s terms it means that once this ‘partnership’ has been ratified, which is a fait accompli, we will be following in the footsteps of the European Union. It will mean that Canada will become part of the North American Union by 2010, and that our resources, agricultural, health and environment issues, to name a few, will be controlled not by Canada but by the government of the North American Union.

Yep--your politicians will just be figureheads and puppets and the real laws will be being made by the John Tysons, George Soros of the world....They already have the flag designed to replace Old Glory and the Maple Leaf-- its the outline of North America with a $ sign overtopping the map, on a white background...(Altho $ will no longer mean dollar- as it will be replaced with the Amero)
:( :mad: :mad:


If our citizenry allows the North American Union to come into existence, then our way of life will change drastically, for the years to come. With privatization of our resources, increased foreign ownership, and a Canadian government with less and less authority, our children and grandchildren will become ‘North Americans’ and our quality of life will drastically decline.

The founding fathers of Canada must be rolling over in their graves.

Just replace the word Canadian with United States-- same will happen here...

So how fast do you think George Washington, Madison, Jefferson and old Teddy Roosevelt are spinning :???: :shock: :( :mad: :mad:
 

Mrs.Greg

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I agree with OT ,Mogal,its not just Canada involved in this North American Union and I'm sorry but I don't think we're any less informed about it then the U.S is.


I don't understand the guy that wrote this,Canadians already are North Americans,he must have missed that day in geography class :?
 

MoGal

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Yes that is true......... I don't like the way USA government is doing.

But that article makes sense as to why they aren't controlling the border and they just announced on Lou Dobbs that Bush is threatening to veto the bill passed today on border security of adding 3 billion dollars.
 

Mrs.Greg

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MoGal said:
Yes that is true......... I don't like the way USA government is doing.

But that article makes sense as to why they aren't controlling the border and they just announced on Lou Dobbs that Bush is threatening to veto the bill passed today on border security of adding 3 billion dollars.
I get what your saying....it does seen a tad whishy-washy,first they want all Canadians AND Americans to get passports to cross the borders then they don't want to invest money into securing them... :???:

I edited at same time you posted this Mogal....you do realise Canadians are North Americans already,the U.S is the United States of America,they don't hold the North American title as thier own.

Am I happy about this union I'd have to know tons more about the pro's and cons,that being said,I like being a good nieghbor to the U.S not step-family,I'm Canadian and Damn proud of it.
 

MoGal

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Yes, I realize Canadians are considered North American... but this country (USA) is getting so far from why it was formed in the first place, why the pilgrims came to America. We're losing all sense of morals, character and integrity for chasing the almighty dollar. Money has become the #1 thing in America causing greed and will cause its downfall.
 

Mrs.Greg

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MoGal said:
Yes, I realize Canadians are considered North American... but this country (USA) is getting so far from why it was formed in the first place, why the pilgrims came to America. We're losing all sense of morals, character and integrity for chasing the almighty dollar. Money has become the #1 thing in America causing greed and will cause its downfall.
Oh for sure I hear you,we're about the same but your sure brave talking about morals,character and integrity in political,trust me I tried that a week or so ago only to be judged and jumped on.
 
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He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation... For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent.... We, therefore... solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States. ~The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies, 1776

"He" in this quote was meant for King George (of England) -- just as today he again can be used for a "King George" ......
 

Cal

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Is this what it means to "erode our sovereignty"?

http://spp.gov/

And don't forget to read:

http://spp.gov/myths_vs_facts.asp

Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP):
Myth vs. Fact
Myth: The SPP was an agreement signed by Presidents Bush and his Mexican and Canadian counterparts in Waco, TX, on March 23, 2005.

Fact: The SPP is a dialogue to increase security and enhance prosperity among the three countries. The SPP is not an agreement nor is it a treaty. In fact, no agreement was ever signed.

Myth: The SPP is a movement to merge the United States, Mexico, and Canada into a North American Union and establish a common currency.

Fact: The cooperative efforts under the SPP, which can be found in detail at www.spp.gov, seek to make the United States, Canada and Mexico open to legitimate trade and closed to terrorism and crime. It does not change our courts or legislative processes and respects the sovereignty of the United States, Mexico, and Canada. The SPP in no way, shape or form considers the creation of a European Union-like structure or a common currency. The SPP does not attempt to modify our sovereignty or currency or change the American system of government designed by our Founding Fathers.

Myth: The SPP is being undertaken without the knowledge of the U.S. Congress.

Fact: U.S. agencies involved with SPP regularly update and consult with members of Congress on our efforts and plans.

Myth: The SPP infringes on the sovereignty of the United States.

Fact: The SPP respects and leaves the unique cultural and legal framework of each of the three countries intact. Nothing in the SPP undermines the U.S. Constitution. In no way does the SPP infringe upon the sovereignty of the United States.

Myth: The SPP is illegal and violates the Constitution.

Fact: The SPP is legal and in no way violates the Constitution or affects the legal authorities of the participating executive agencies. Indeed, the SPP is an opportunity for the governments of the United States, Canada, and Mexico to discuss common goals and identify ways to enhance each nation’s security and prosperity. If an action is identified, U.S. federal agencies can only operate within U.S. law to address these issues. The Departments of Commerce and Homeland Security coordinate the efforts of the agencies responsible for the various initiatives under the prosperity and security pillars of the SPP. If an agency were to decide a regulatory change is desirable through the cooperative efforts of SPP, that agency is required to conform to all existing U.S. laws and administrative procedures, including an opportunity to comment.

Myth: The U.S section of the SPP is headed by the Department of Commerce.

Fact: The SPP is a White House-driven initiative. In the United States, the Department of Commerce coordinates the ‘Prosperity’ component, while the Department of Homeland Security coordinates the ‘Security’ component. The Department of State ensures the two components are coordinated and are consistent with U.S. foreign policy.

Myth: The U.S. Government, working though the SPP, has a secret plan to build a "NAFTA Super Highway."

Fact: The U.S. government is not planning a NAFTA Super Highway. The U.S. government does not have the authority to designate any highway as a NAFTA Super Highway, nor has it sought such authority, nor is it planning to seek such authority. There are private and state level interests planning highway projects which they themselves describe as "NAFTA Corridors," but these are not Federally-driven initiatives, and they are not a part of the SPP.
Myth: The U.S. Government, through the Department of Transportation, is funding secretive highway projects to become part of a “NAFTA Super Highway”.

Fact: Many States in the American Midwest are proposing or undertaking highway projects to improve or build roads as Federal-aid and State or private sector revenue becomes available. All projects involving Federal-aid funds or approvals are subject to normal Federal-aid requirements, such as review under the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), including public involvement. This public involvement, the common thread among all these activities, makes them anything but “secret.” In addition, Congress directs Department of Transportation funding for specific highway projects.

The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) will continue to cooperate with the State transportation departments as they build and upgrade highways to meet the needs of the 21st century. Rather than evidence of a secret plan to create a NAFTA Super Highway that would undermine our national sovereignty, the FHWA’s efforts are a routine part of cooperation with all the State transportation departments to improve the Nation’s highways.

Myth: U.S. Government officials sponsored a secret SPP planning meeting in Banff, Alberta in September 2006.

Fact: The U.S. Government did not sponsor the meeting in Banff. The North American Forum, a private initiative that is separate from the U.S. Government, hosted the September 12-14, 2006 conference “Continental Prosperity in the New Security Environment.” Academics, businesspersons, private citizens, and government officials from the U.S., Mexican, and Canadian governments attended the conference. The North American Forum is not a product of the SPP.

Myth: The SPP will cost U.S. taxpayers money.

Fact: The SPP is being implemented with existing budget resources. Over the long-term, it will save U.S. taxpayers money by cutting through costly red tape and reducing redundant paperwork. This initiative will benefit the taxpayers through economic gain and increased security, thereby enhancing the competitiveness and quality of life in our countries.

Myth: The working groups and SPP documents are a secret and not available to the public.

Fact: The SPP’s initiatives and milestones with timelines can be found by clicking the Report to Leaders link at www.spp.gov. The Web site contains a section to enable interested persons to provide input directly to the various working groups.

Myth: The SPP seeks to lower U.S. standards through a regulatory cooperation framework.

Fact: The framework will support and enhance cooperation and encourage the compatibility of regulations among the three partners while maintaining high standards of health and safety. Any regulatory changes will require agencies to conform to all U.S. administrative procedures, including an opportunity to comment. Enhanced cooperation in this area will provide consumers with more affordable, safer, and more diversified and innovative products.

Myth: The SPP is meant to deal with immigration reform and trade disputes.

Fact: Immigration reform is a legislative matter currently being debated in Congress and is not being dealt with in the SPP. Likewise, trade disputes between the United States, Canada, and Mexico are resolved in the NAFTA and WTO mechanisms and not the SPP.

Myth: The SPP will result in the loss of American jobs.

Fact: The SPP seeks to create jobs by reducing transaction costs and unnecessary burdens for U.S. companies, which will bolster the competitiveness of our firms globally. These efforts will help U.S. manufacturers, spur job creation, and benefit consumers.

Myth: The SPP will harm our quality of life.

Fact: The SPP improves the safety and well-being of Americans. It builds on efforts to protect our environment, improves our ability to combat infectious diseases, such as avian influenza, and ensures our food supply is safe through the exchange of information and cooperation ─ improving the quality of life for U.S. citizens. Americans enjoy world class living standards because we are engaged with the world.

Myth: The SPP creates a NAFTA-plus legal status between the three countries.

Fact: The SPP does not seek to rewrite or renegotiate NAFTA. It creates no NAFTA-plus legal status.
 
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Another shock to the pro-globalization elite is the overwhelming passage (362-63 on July 24, 2007) of the Duncan Hunter Amendment (H.R. 3074) to the Transportation Appropriations Act, "prohibiting the use of federal funds for participation in working groups under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), including the creation of the NAFTA Super Highway."

"The proposed NAFTA Super Highway presents significant challenges to our nation's security, the safety of vehicle motorists, and will likely drive down wages for American workers," said Congressman Hunter. "Much like NAFTA, the super highway is designed to serve the interests of our trading partners and will lead to neither security nor prosperity."


Congressman Duncan Hunter, also a presidential candidate, told his fellow congressional colleagues,



"This 12 lane highway, which is already under construction in Texas, will fast-track thousands of cargo containers across the U.S. without adequate security. These containers will move from Mexico, a country with a record of corruption and involvement in the drug trade, across a border that is already porous and insufficiently protected.



"Unfortunately, very little is known about the NAFTA Super Highway. This amendment will provide Congress the opportunity to exercise oversight of the highway, which remains a subject of question and uncertainty, and ensure that our safety and security will not be comprised in order to promote the business interests of our neighbors."

I guess 362 Congressmen- especially led by Hunter and Paul don't buy the FACT and don't trust GW as much as you and the Administration fact writer does..... :roll: :wink: :lol: :lol:
 

Cal

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Oldtimer said:
Another shock to the pro-globalization elite is the overwhelming passage (362-63 on July 24, 2007) of the Duncan Hunter Amendment (H.R. 3074) to the Transportation Appropriations Act, "prohibiting the use of federal funds for participation in working groups under the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP), including the creation of the NAFTA Super Highway."

"The proposed NAFTA Super Highway presents significant challenges to our nation's security, the safety of vehicle motorists, and will likely drive down wages for American workers," said Congressman Hunter. "Much like NAFTA, the super highway is designed to serve the interests of our trading partners and will lead to neither security nor prosperity."


Congressman Duncan Hunter, also a presidential candidate, told his fellow congressional colleagues,



"This 12 lane highway, which is already under construction in Texas, will fast-track thousands of cargo containers across the U.S. without adequate security. These containers will move from Mexico, a country with a record of corruption and involvement in the drug trade, across a border that is already porous and insufficiently protected.



"Unfortunately, very little is known about the NAFTA Super Highway. This amendment will provide Congress the opportunity to exercise oversight of the highway, which remains a subject of question and uncertainty, and ensure that our safety and security will not be comprised in order to promote the business interests of our neighbors."

I guess 362 Congressmen- especially led by Hunter and Paul don't buy the FACT and don't trust GW as much as you and the Administration fact writer does..... :roll: :wink: :lol: :lol:
Sounds like a meaningless feather in everyones hat that simply restates what's already on the books, why shouldn't it have passed?
 
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Mrs.Greg said:
You all DO realise that Goerge Bush really doesn't rule the world

I'm starting to get the feeling he'd like to..... :roll:

His history is beginning to point more toward the NAU every day-- his arrogant denial to follow the wishes of 80% of Americans by his absolute refusal to enforce the Border and Immigration Laws on the books- and now yesterday- when Congress and the citizens are asking for more border security, he pulled off half the National Guard units they had there--(altho that was all smoke screen anyway)....... :(

Our government... teaches the whole people by its example. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. ~Justice Louis Dembitz Brandeis



When a government holds itself above the rule of law, then implicitly it holds the people beneath it!

"When lawmen break the law, there is no law." Billy Jack
 

kolanuraven

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Mrs.Greg said:
You all DO realise that Goerge Bush really doesn't rule the world


Mrs. Greg.....come on there ....you mean it's taken you THIS LONG to realize that 99.9% of this gang @ Ranchers, they DO think Bush rules the world!!!!

In fact, I forgot who, but I remember one of the ladies here talking about how handsome he was and they either were looking for or had a picture of him in their LR!!! I guess to scare the rats or keep burglars away I'm not exactly sure of WHY!!!!!


It must be hot up there on yer noggin!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

Cal

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Mrs.Greg said:
You all DO realise that Goerge Bush really doesn't rule the world
He must if he's going to build a 12 lane superhiway clear to Canada without Congress knowing about it! :lol: :lol: How silly.
 
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Cal said:
Mrs.Greg said:
You all DO realise that Goerge Bush really doesn't rule the world
He must if he's going to build a 12 lane superhiway clear to Canada without Congress knowing about it! :lol: :lol: How silly.

The saddest thing is that this is even a discussed subject....That there are that many people (60-70% depending on the poll) , both in and out of politics, that don't trust the Administration and our Government enough to believe them anymore....

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!" Sir Walter Scott

"Credibility is like virginity. Once you lose it, you can never get it back.”

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Posted: July 29, 2007
5:00 p.m. Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com


Vice President Cheney

Despite evidence to the contrary, Vice President Dick Cheney says there is no "secret plan" to create a continent-crossing superhighway to help facilitate a merger of the United States, Mexico and Canada.

"The administration is not engaged in a secret plan to create a 'NAFTA super highway,'" asserts Cheney in a recent letter to a constituent, according to a copy of the message obtained by WND.

The vice president's letter quotes an Aug. 21 statement from the U.S. Department of Transportation that, "The concept of a super highway has been around since the early 1990s, usually in the form of a claim that the U.S. Department of Transportation is going to designate such a highway."

DOT then refutes the claim, stating, "The Department of Transportation has never had the statutory authority to designate a NAFTA super highway and has never sought such authority."

The DOT statement then retracts the absolute nature of that statement, qualifying that, "The Department of Transportation will continue to cooperate with the State transportation departments in the I-35 corridor as they upgrade this vital interstate highway to meet 21st century needs. However, these efforts are the routine activities of a Department that cooperates with all the state transportation departments to improve the Nation's intermodal transportation network."


The DOT statement cited by the vice president seems to model the denial recently fashioned by the North America's SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc., or NASCO, on its website.

There NASCO states, "There a no plans to build a new NAFTA Superhighway – it exists today as I-35."

The coalition continues to distinguish its support for a North American "SuperCorridor" from a "NAFTA Superhighway," asserting that a "SuperCorridor is not 'Super-sized." The website then claims NASCO uses the term "SuperCorridor" to demonstrate "we are more than just a highway coalition."

In a July 21, 2006, internal e-mail obtained by WND under a Missouri Sunshine Law request, Tiffany Melvin, executive director of NASCO, cautions "NASCO friends and members" that, "We have to stay away from 'SuperCorridor' because it is a very bad, hot button right now."

As WND previously reported, Jeffrey Shane, undersecretary of transportation for policy at the U.S. Department of Transportation got into a spirited exchange in January with congressmen after he asserted to a House subcommittee that NAFTA Superhighways were an "urban legend."

In response to questioning by Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, before the Subcommittee on Highways and Transit of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, Shane asserted he was "not familiar with any plan at all, related to NAFTA or cross-border traffic."

Rep. Peter DeFazio, D-Ore., then questioned aloud whether Shane was just "gaming semantics" when responding to Poe's question.

In June 2006, when first writing about NASCO, WND displayed the original homepage of NASCO, which used to open with a map highlighting the I-35 corridor from Mexico to Canada, arguing the trade group and its members were actively promoting a NAFTA superhighway.


NASCO's original map highlighted the I-35 corridor from Mexico to Canada
(Oldtimers note: I looked at that map many times on the old website- they seem to not want to display it now)


In what appears to be the third major revamping of the NASCO website since WND first began writing articles about NASCO, the Dallas-based trade group carefully removes identifying NASCO with the words behind the acronym, "North America's SuperCorridor Coalition, Inc.," which the original NASCO website once proudly proclaimed.

The current NASCO homepage displays a photo montage of intermodal highway scenes, presumably taken along I-35, but without any map displaying a continental I-35 super corridor linking Mexico and Canada.

NASCO currently relegates the continental I-35 map to an internal webpage that describes the North American Inland Ports Network as a "working group" within NASCO that supports inland member cities who have designated themselves as "inland ports," seeking to warehouse container traffic originating in Mexican ports on the Pacific such as Manzanillo and Lázaro Cárdenas.

The beige and blue continental I-35 map now positioned on an internal page of the NASCO website was originally used as the second NASCO website, in make-over of the original NASCO blue and yellow continental I-35 map that made the continental nature of the I-35 appear graphically more pronounced.

WND has also previously reported that in a speech to NASCO on April 30, 2004, Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta referred to Interstate Highways 35, 29 and 94 – the core highways supported by NASCO as a prime "North American Super Corridor" – Mineta commented to NASCO that the trade group "recognized that the success of the NAFTA relationship depends on mobility – on the movement of people, of products, and of capital across borders."

WND has also reported Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., a GOP presidential candidate, introduced an amendment to H.R. 3074, the Transportation Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2008, prohibiting the use of federal funds for participating in working groups under the Security and Prosperity Partnership, including the creation of NAFTA Superhighways.

On July 24, Hunter's amendment passed 362 to 63, with strong bipartisan support. Later, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 3074 by a margin of 268-153. The bill has been sent to the Senate with Hunter's amendment included.

According to Freedom of Information Request documents obtained by WND, Jeffrey Shane has been appointed by the Bush administration to be the U.S. lead bureaucrat on the North American Transportation Working Group under the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America.

On July 23, 1997, the NAFTA Superhighway Coalition was formed to promote continental highway development in association with the Ambassador Bridge.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56912
 

Mrs.Greg

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Cal said:
Mrs.Greg said:
You all DO realise that Goerge Bush really doesn't rule the world
He must if he's going to build a 12 lane superhiway clear to Canada without Congress knowing about it! :lol: :lol: How silly.
Well then the titles decieving isn't it,because it looks to me as you Americans are left in the dark as much as the Canadians "supposedly" are about this topic.

Truth be known,I have a feeling that NONE of us are too impressed with this supposed hwy.

As for Mr. Bush believing hes the greatest leader that ever lived I WILL bite my tongue on that one.
 
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Mrs.Greg said:
As for Mr. Bush believing hes the greatest leader that ever lived I WILL bite my tongue on that one.

You start biting your tongue every time GW and the boys at the White House foul up you'll soon be slurrrriiiiiiiinggggggggg yoooooooooooorr wwooorrrdddssss aaaaaandd ssssttuuuttttttterrrrrrrriiinnngggg...... :wink: :lol:

And you are correct Mrs. G about Americans being as confused as Canadians...Like I said its a sad day when government has become so mistrusted that people can't believe a word they say...And most the publicity about and big push against this NAU and NAFTA Super Highway has come from the folks who used to be the biggest supporters of President Bush-- the conservatives and far right....
It seems to me that there must be a lot of people that don't believe Bush and Cheney- and believe they are doing things behind their back - in order for them to convince 362 of their Congressmen to support a law against it-- but GW's credibility and history of how he follows the current laws, the Constitution, or the wishes of the people has given about everybody the willies.... :roll:

Our government... teaches the whole people by its example. If the government becomes the lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. ~Justice Louis Dembitz Brandeis
 
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