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Now its Texas NIMBY's

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Judge slams landowners in Canadian pipeline ruling


Friday, August 24th 2012
HOUSTON (AP) — Texas landowners are vowing to fight on despite a county judge's ruling that a Canadian company can run a pipeline across private property to bring crude oil to Gulf Coast refineries.

Red'Arc farm manager Julia Trigg Crawford is behind the lawsuit. She says in a statement Thursday she is disappointed by the ruling from Lamar County Court-at-Law Judge Bill Harris that TransCanada can use eminent domain to obtain right of way across her family's farm.

Harris issued the ruling late Wednesday. Crawford says she will take her battle to the state Legislature.

TransCanada wants to build a pipeline from Alberta, Canada, to Gulf Coast refineries.

While it awaits a U.S. State Department decision on that project, it plans to construct a section of pipeline from Oklahoma to the Gulf.

First it was Nebraska NIMBY's and now its Texans...Doesn't anyone use any gas down in that country... :???:
 

Mike

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Here's the one in charge of "Bold Nebraska" the group that fought Keystone and the Texas pipeline mentioned above. In fact, she wants no part of Canadian oil coming to the U.S.

Editor and Founder, Jane Kleeb: Jane lives for cooking, politics and news. She was a reporter for MTV, frequent guest on FOX and MSNBC and key advisor for “Thin” a documentary on eating disorders. Jane led a statewide organizing campaign on health care reform, served as the national executive director of the Young Democrats of America, the foundation director for Renfrew a mental health facility and headed up an AmeriCorps program. Jane has a "thing" for training manuals, flip charts and icebreakers. She lives in Hastings with her husband Scott, an energy efficiency entrepreneur. They have three little girls and a backyard garden that always has spare zucchini.

Here's a website dedicated to "Insane Jane". :lol:

http://insanejanekleeb.wordpress.com/

By the way, she is VERY Liberal and HUGE Democratic supporter!!!! :lol:
 

hypocritexposer

Well-known member
Mike said:
Here's the one in charge of "Bold Nebraska" the group that fought Keystone and the pipeline mentioned above.

Editor and Founder, Jane Kleeb: Jane lives for cooking, politics and news. She was a reporter for MTV, frequent guest on FOX and MSNBC and key advisor for “Thin” a documentary on eating disorders. Jane led a statewide organizing campaign on health care reform, served as the national executive director of the Young Democrats of America, the foundation director for Renfrew a mental health facility and headed up an AmeriCorps program. Jane has a "thing" for training manuals, flip charts and icebreakers. She lives in Hastings with her husband Scott, an energy efficiency entrepreneur. They have three little girls and a backyard garden that always has spare zucchini.

Here's a website dedicated to "Insane Jane". :lol:

http://insanejanekleeb.wordpress.com/



Then there are the American NIMBYs that travelled to Canada, or just sent money, to protest the Gateway pipeline.


I guess they consider Canada, "their backyard"



:lol:
 

Mike

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It is rumored that George Soros is funding her shenanigans............................

A judge in Lamar County, Texas, ruled Wednesday night that TransCanada’s Keystone XL pipeline has the right of eminent domain, rejecting a plea by farm manager Julia Trigg Crawford and dealing a blow to landowners and environmentalists who have been trying to block construction of the pipeline.

The ruling by Judge Bill Harris removes yet another potential obstacle for TransCanada, which already has permits from the Army Corps of Engineers for the southern leg of the pipeline, which starts in Cushing, Okla., and runs to Port Arthur, Texas. TransCanada has said it will start building as soon as possible.


Opponents of the proposed Keystone XL pipeline gathered in Spalding, Neb., for a cookout to thank state senator Ken Haar for his work to reroute the pipeline away from Nebraska�s Sand Hills and portions of the Ogallala Aquifer. But in spite of this reroute, many of the Nebraskans at this event do not want to see the pipeline built at all. (Whitney Shefte/The Washington Post)


In March, President Obama endorsed the construction of the southern leg of the pipeline. He said it would alleviate a supply bottleneck at Cushing, where the benchmark price of oil is set for the U.S. market.

But environmental groups and some landowners have been mounting a campaign to stop or delay construction because of the threat a leak might pose to rivers and wetlands.

Crawford had asserted that the Keystone XL pipeline was not entitled to eminent domain because the pipeline would not be a common carrier, open to a variety of oil companies. She said that as a private project, it needed to negotiate rights of way without compelling landowners to enter agreements.

Usually the option of using eminent domain for pipelines is granted by state agencies; in Texas, it is recognized by the Texas Railroad Commission, a long-time regulator of the state oil industry.

Eminent domain is a touchy topic in Texas. In 2002, Gov. Rick Perry proposed a Trans-Texas Corridor, a private sector network of highways. The main artery would be a 600-mile road running from Mexico to the Red River that would be the width of four football fields. After an outcry about the seizure of private land — and increased traffic from Mexico — the state transportation department killed the idea.

“Of course we are incredibly disappointed in today’s ruling,” Crawford said in an e-mail late Wednesday night. “Disheartened that Texas landowners must still challenge oil corporations in court on what should be State-level permitting issues .... and disturbed that a foreign corporation like TransCanada is allowed to hide behind the skirt of the Texas Railroad Commission and its Common Carrier rubber stamp.”

Jane Kleeb, an activist with the group Bold Nebraska who has been fighting the pipeline’s eminent domain status, said in an e-mail Wednesday night that “A foreign oil company — exporting a form of energy that our government is still studying and the Canadian government just issued a safety violation on — gets to seize American land without proving they are a common carrier and without any requirement that Americans get a drop of the oil. There is something wrong with this picture.”
 

Mike

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Yep, the whole bunch of instigators are Democrats. No surprise here. :lol:

Scott Kleeb (born August 23, 1975) is an American businessman. In 2008 he was the Democratic nominee for a U.S. Senate seat in Nebraska. His wife, Jane Fleming Kleeb, is prominent in Nebraska politics.


[edit] Early life and education

Kleeb was born in Turkey to parents who taught in military schools abroad. He was raised in Italy and speaks Italian fluently. He attended college at the University of Colorado at Boulder, where he graduated summa cum laude; he then earned a Master's degree in International Relations and a Ph.D in History from Yale University.[1]

[edit] Career

Kleeb has been an adjunct professor of history at Hastings College in Hastings, Nebraska. He is now the Chief Executive Officer of Energy Pioneer Solutions, a residential energy efficiency business located in Hastings.[2]

[edit] Congressional campaigns

[edit] 3rd Congressional District

In 2006, Kleeb, then a ranch-hand at the McGinn Ranch in Custer County,[3] was the Democratic candidate for Nebraska's 3rd Congressional District seat. The 3rd is extremely difficult to campaign in and has few unifying influences. It covers nearly 65,000 square miles (170,000 km2), two time zones, and 68.5 of Nebraska’s 93 counties (one of which, Cherry County, is larger than the entire state of Connecticut). However, Kleeb raised more money than any Democrat had raised in the district in decades. Overall, the race was the most expensive in the district since it assumed its current configuration in 1963.

Just before the election, polls showed Kleeb even with or ahead of his Republican opponent, Adrian Smith, in a congressional district the GOP had held for 48 years.[4] In 2004, the district gave Bush 75 percent of its votes.[5]

As the race become more competitive than expected, it received late national attention from the House campaign committees. [6] [7] President George W. Bush also made an appearance in the district two days before the election to campaign for Smith — a sign that the national party was very concerned about its chances in what had long been presumed to be a very safe Republican seat. [4][8]

Smith won by 10 percentage points, taking 55 percent of the vote to Kleeb's 45 percent. [9] This was the closest a Democrat had come to winning the district in 16 years.

In April 2007, state investigators were still working to determine who was behind a barrage of last-minute automated telephone calls to voters which, state officials said, distorted Kleeb's views. Some used his voice with the greeting: "Hi, this is Scott Kleeb!", with many of these calls made in the middle of the night.[10]

[edit] U.S. Senate

Main article: United States Senate election in Nebraska, 2008

In May 2008, Kleeb won the Democratic primary election for the open Nebraska U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Republican Chuck Hagel, with nearly 70 percent of the vote in a four-candidate race.[11] His nearest opponent was Tony Raimondo, a former Republican.[12]

On November 4, 2008, Kleeb lost to Republican Mike Johanns in the election.[13] Johanns had 58 percent of the vote, to Kleeb's 40 percent.[14]

[edit] Family

In 2007, Kleeb married Jane Fleming, from Florida, whom he begun dating in 2006 while campaigning for a Congressional seat.[15][16] At the time she was the executive director of Young Democrats of America.[17]

Jane Fleming Kleeb founded the advocacy organization Bold Nebraska in 2009.[16] In 2011, she was a major figure in getting the Keystone XL pipeline's proposed path changed so that it did not go across Nebraska's Sandhills.[15] In a December 2011 interview with a local television station, she said that neither she nor her husband was considering running for the U.S. Senate seat of retiring senator Ben Nelson.[18]
 

Red Barn Angus

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It seems that every effort to develop more energy sources is fought by so many people. They don't want oil drilling, they don't want coal electric plants, they don't want pipelines (when we already have many), they don't want nuclear plants relicensed . Where will we get the energy to do anything?

I do not think a foreign country should have eminent domain over U.S. landowners though. That is just wrong. It is also wrong that the oil is not designated for U. S. use. I really think that we have no obligation to any foreign country, even Canada, to allow them to transport oil through our land so they can sell it to China or anywhere else. We are just being used in this case. As long as Canada has oil to sell and we need to buy oil wouldn't it make more sense for us to be the buyer. Sure better than funding the Middle East hoodlums. jmo
 

hypocritexposer

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Red Barn Angus said:
It seems that every effort to develop more energy sources is fought by so many people. They don't want oil drilling, they don't want coal electric plants, they don't want pipelines (when we already have many), they don't want nuclear plants relicensed . Where will we get the energy to do anything?

I do not think a foreign country should have eminent domain over U.S. landowners though. That is just wrong. It is also wrong that the oil is not designated for U. S. use. I really think that we have no obligation to any foreign country, even Canada, to allow them to transport oil through our land so they can sell it to China or anywhere else. We are just being used in this case. As long as Canada has oil to sell and we need to buy oil wouldn't it make more sense for us to be the buyer. Sure better than funding the Middle East hoodlums. jmo


Why do you believe this oil will not be used in the US?


It is being sold to US refineries. Much of it is American owned, before it even hits a pipeline
 

Red Barn Angus

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I didn't know that much of the oil was owned by U.S. interests. It was my understanding it would be refined in Texas and then sold on the open market. I just felt the US ought to have some preferred treatment if they are using our land to transport the oil to our refineries. I don't believe Canada has the refineries to process their crude oil and we don't have enough oil so there ought to be a way to make a deal to benefit both sides. jmo
 

Steve

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if I get a chance to buy a product cheap, get my shop working and make a buck selling it to someone else, I take it...

the other option is to do nothing .. and get nothing...





It is also wrong that the oil is not designated for U. S. use

locally they have closed five refineries and several more are in "talks" to be closed..

because demand is down overall.. reducing viability.

refineries have a very tight profit margin with many losing money

by importing fairly cheap crude from Canada processing it and exporting it refineries can run at or near capacity and make a profit...

in turn we as Americans get more jobs..

more exports

more tax revenue

and the refineries product price sold locally is less..


the other option is the Canadian crude is exported from Canada.. and we don't get the jobs, exports, tax revenue and lower gas prices.. China does..
 

hypocritexposer

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U.S. Economic Impact Oil Calculator

http://oilsands.alberta.ca/USEconomicImpactOilCalculator.html



What do Canada's oil sands have to do with the United States?

Canada is the largest supplier of oil to the U.S.
For every two jobs created in Canada from the oil sands, a third job is created in the U.S.
Oil sands development is projected to generate $521 billion in economic activity in the U.S. over the next 25 years.



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Bullhauler

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hopalong said:
Bullhauler said:
Mike said:
Wonder why the fat man didn't come back to refute the DEMS heading up the protests? :lol: :lol: :lol:


What are you talking about steve did post on this thread. :D :D :D


Are you really that disconnected from reality?????? :roll: :roll: :roll:


Well mike always has the fat comments. But it is well known that steve is by far the most morbidly obese person that posts on this forum. I just thought mike should be more sensitive about the fat jokes. I mean really old steve would make his governor look slim.
 

Larrry

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Bullhauler said:
hopalong said:
Bullhauler said:
What are you talking about steve did post on this thread. :D :D :D


Are you really that disconnected from reality?????? :roll: :roll: :roll:


Well mike always has the fat comments. But it is well known that steve is by far the most morbidly obese person that posts on this forum. I just thought mike should be more sensitive about the fat jokes. I mean really old steve would make his governor look slim.

I take it you haven't seen the "boat anchor" from Montana.
 

Steve

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Bullhauler said:
hopalong said:
Bullhauler said:
What are you talking about steve did post on this thread. :D :D :D


Are you really that disconnected from reality?????? :roll: :roll: :roll:


Well mike always has the fat comments. But it is well known that steve is by far the most morbidly obese person that posts on this forum. I just thought mike should be more sensitive about the fat jokes. I mean really old steve would make his governor look slim.

and I could still outwork and out do you any day... and I have never seen you able to take on anyone intellectually.. which is why I seldom respond to your drivel..

so I reckon the governor would kick you ass as well...
 

Mike

Well-known member
Back to topic, please. Anyone here think that OT will recognize own up to that the leaders of the pipeline protests as being extreme Leftists and/or Democrats?

I have found ties to "Jane The Insane", George Soros & Warren Buffet. It is telling.
 
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