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Now this is what war on women looks like

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
the Quran allows them to take slave girls...
So does the Bible-- which is full of passages of how to take care of slaves....
The old slave holders used to quote all the many verses as their justification for owning slaves...


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

So since its in the Bible does that mean all Christians practice slavery . :???: :roll:

Since it says foreigners can be purchased as slaves does that mean I can go purchase a couple of Canucks :???: :wink: :p :lol:

“If a countryman of yours becomes so poor with regard to you that he sells himself to you, you shall not subject him to a slave’s service. He shall be with you as a hired man, as if he were a sojourner; he shall serve with you until the year of jubilee. He shall then go out from you, he and his sons with him, and shall go back to his family, that he may return to the property of his forefathers. For they are My servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt; they are not to be sold in a slave sale. You shall not rule over him with severity, but are to revere your God.”

Read more: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-does-the-bible-say-about-slavery-does-it-condone-it/#ixzz3FUPHLt5u
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Oldtimer said:
iwannabeacowboy said:
Oldtimer said:
So are you saying what the Bible says can be/should be interpreted and every word not taken as literal ?
Does not different Christian denominations interpret those verses differently?

Could not that be true of the Koran and the Muslim religion also?


When your old argument failed in the past, and you can't defend it then, why do you keep using it?

Seriously answer the following, what does 2+2= ?

According to what Mike and several theologians, Priests, Preachers, Rabbi's, etc. and thruout the differing sects of the Abrahamic religions it can equal 5 to some- 4 to some- or maybe 3 to others ...

Much of old religious writings depend greatly upon interpretation...

Is your name Mike? I asked you. It's an easy question.
 
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Anonymous

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TexasBred said:
Oldtimer said:
hypocritexposer said:
the Quran allows them to take slave girls...
So does the Bible-- which is full of passages of how to take care of slaves....
The old slave holders used to quote all the many verses as their justification for owning slaves...


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

So since its in the Bible does that mean all Christians practice slavery . :???: :roll:

Since it says foreigners can be purchased as slaves does that mean I can go purchase a couple of Canucks :???: :wink: :p :lol:

“If a countryman of yours becomes so poor with regard to you that he sells himself to you, you shall not subject him to a slave’s service. He shall be with you as a hired man, as if he were a sojourner; he shall serve with you until the year of jubilee. He shall then go out from you, he and his sons with him, and shall go back to his family, that he may return to the property of his forefathers. For they are My servants whom I brought out from the land of Egypt; they are not to be sold in a slave sale. You shall not rule over him with severity, but are to revere your God.”

Read more: http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-does-the-bible-say-about-slavery-does-it-condone-it/#ixzz3FUPHLt5u




Like I said- much of religion- and their scriptures- Torah/Bible/Koran- is up to interpretation- AND each sect/denomination seems to have a differing interpretation...

BUT- you cannot deny that slaves and slavery are mentioned often in the Bible....
 

iwannabeacowboy

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:D Can't even answer the simplest of questions? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Only willing to throw out inflammatory remarks and never willing to fully participate in intelligent and honest debate.


Seems you know you are wrong before you even start or you're just a Troll like many say. Which is it Dick?
 

redrobin

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Oldtimer said:
Much of old religious writings depend greatly upon interpretation...
Care to rephrase that statement where it has some logic or reason to it? Religious writings depend greatly on interpretation? What?????
 
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Anonymous

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redrobin said:
Oldtimer said:
Much of old religious writings depend greatly upon interpretation...
Care to rephrase that statement where it has some logic or reason to it? Religious writings depend greatly on interpretation? What?????

Well #1-- much of the old texts of the Bible had to be translated from ancient languages- and were translated many times over- with each language giving a little differing meaning--- like the meaning of "slaves"...

Then each religion Jewish or Christian had theologians giving the writings a differing twist or meaning to the verses...

After that we have had each sect of Christianity (Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, Evangelical, Pentacostal, Methodist, Morman (?), etc. give a differing meaning and twist to the verses and beliefs/traditions...

All of this is based on how these religious scholars and theologians interpret/preach the writings in the Bible..... Personally- I like my interpretation best- but each to his own...
 

hypocritexposer

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Oldtimer said:
redrobin said:
Oldtimer said:
Much of old religious writings depend greatly upon interpretation...
Care to rephrase that statement where it has some logic or reason to it? Religious writings depend greatly on interpretation? What?????

Well #1-- much of the old texts of the Bible had to be translated from ancient languages- and were translated many times over- with each language giving a little differing meaning--- like the meaning of "slaves"...

Then each religion Jewish or Christian had theologians giving the writings a differing twist or meaning to the verses...

After that we have had each sect of Christianity (Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, Evangelical, Pentacostal, Methodist, Morman (?), etc. give a differing meaning and twist to the verses and beliefs/traditions...

All of this is based on how these religious scholars and theologians interpret/preach the writings in the Bible..... Personally- I like my interpretation best- but each to his own...

OT, when did the Christian religion start?
 

iwannabeacowboy

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Oldtimer said:
redrobin said:
Oldtimer said:
Much of old religious writings depend greatly upon interpretation...
Care to rephrase that statement where it has some logic or reason to it? Religious writings depend greatly on interpretation? What?????

Well #1-- much of the old texts of the Bible had to be translated from ancient languages- and were translated many times over- with each language giving a little differing meaning--- like the meaning of "slaves"...

Then each religion Jewish or Christian had theologians giving the writings a differing twist or meaning to the verses...

After that we have had each sect of Christianity (Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, Evangelical, Pentacostal, Methodist, Morman (?), etc. give a differing meaning and twist to the verses and beliefs/traditions...

All of this is based on how these religious scholars and theologians interpret/preach the writings in the Bible..... Personally- I like my interpretation best- but each to his own...

Wrong. There are manuscripts thousands of years old and they match the current translations very well.

Contracts and business dealings are translated thousands of times daily between languages with precision. Why is it impossible for the Bible to be translated with meaning intact?

You keep bringing up interpretation and sects. I will ask you a very simple question Dick, what does 2+2= ?

Do you not know the answer?
 

redrobin

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Oldtimer said:
Well #1-- much of the old texts of the Bible had to be translated from ancient languages- and were translated many times over- with each language giving a little differing meaning--- like the meaning of "slaves"...

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hogwash. provide an example.
 
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Anonymous

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So-- if if the Bible is all easily interpreted- and all in black in white--why did the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church's split :???: With differing beliefs :???:

Why did Martin Luther split from the Roman Catholics-- and spread Lutheranism :???:

Why has that Lutheranism and Protestant rebellion led to over 6,000 Protestant sects-- all with beliefs that differ... :???:

2+2= 6 to Roman Catholics
2+2= 8 to Greek Orthodox
2+2= anywhere from 1 to 10 depending on whether it Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals, Seventh-day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentecostal's , etc, etc... Westboro baptist church figures 2+2 = somewhere around 500..
 

kolanuraven

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If any one of you would bother to take the time and READ.

The known Bible and the Koran , prob 80-90% of the each book is a mirror reflection of the other.
 

Mike

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kolanuraven said:
If any one of you would bother to take the time and READ.

The known Bible and the Koran , prob 80-90% of the each book is a mirror reflection of the other.

I don't know so much about that 80-90% business, but Muhammed wrote and crafted the Koran and it's verses so that he could easily sway & recruit ignorant Hebrews & Christians into Islam to fund his Army and his derelict Empire. Same as today.

But make no mistake about it. Muhammed was not the peace loving individual that Christ was. Quite the contrary.

Show us that 80-90% mirror reflection.................. :roll:
 

loomixguy

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How well do you suppose KooKoo would fare living under Sharia law?

You can argue the theology until the cows come home. Islam is a Satanic cult, and their "prophet" was an evil, perverted, bloodthirsty pedophile.

Not quite in lock step with Christianity or Judaism.
 

iwannabeacowboy

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kolanuraven said:
If any one of you would bother to take the time and READ.

The known Bible and the Koran , prob 80-90% of the each book is a mirror reflection of the other.


There is a saying that 90% of the devils lies are true....

But your estimate is much higher than reality. I've read a large portion of the Koran (still working on full completion) and I've read the Bible multiple times. There are some very stark contrasts, like the difference between life and death.

I don't claim to be a Biblical scholar but I hold that it was not written to be read by scholars only, but to give understanding and meaning to us all. There are multiple types of illustrations utilized for the purpose of providing that understanding.

Christ was sent to not only to complete the law provided to Moses, but as an example of the true meaning.

That is my point OT. People can derive whatever interpretation that want to derive, but that does not make it accurate or true. There has been variations in interpretations and actions prior to the time of Christ. I'm sure you will recall the tongue lashing that the Jewish Pharisees and Sadducees took on more than one occasion. And I'll be the first to admit that I'd be in line for one also, if he were to return today.

If the Word of God was up to willy nilly interpretation and all was correct, then your premise would be also. But I have yet to find support for that interpretation in the belief you've claimed to hold. The Pharisees and Sadducees are but one example. How many times did he underline the meaning of the law provided to Moses in states such as: "You have heard that it was said....... but I tell you......."

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’[f] 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’[h] 39 But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Having multiple interpretations does not mean that they are all right. I am quite sure that there are many Pharisees and Sadducees in our day. That does not mean that 2+2=1-10. It means that whoever is claiming anything but 2+2=4 is wrong. The same God that created the world and all nature has to offer and the laws it lives by, created man and the law laws he is to live by. If the laws of gravity are not up for interpretation when you fall off a ladder, why would the law He gave to man be?

"Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." That is a tall order that does not condone willy nilly interpretation.
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
All of this is based on how these religious scholars and theologians interpret/preach the writings in the Bible..... Personally- I like my interpretation best- but each to his own...

And that is exactly why we have a church on every corner, all preaching a different gospel, yet all claiming to be led by the Holy Spirit. Each preacher becomes his own Pope.
 

TexasBred

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Oldtimer said:
So-- if if the Bible is all easily interpreted- and all in black in white--why did the Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church's split :???: With differing beliefs :???:

Not at all. They split over4 small words in the filoque. Greek Orthodox Catholics ARE in communion with Roman Catholics.
 

TexasBred

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kolanuraven said:
If any one of you would bother to take the time and READ.

The known Bible and the Koran , prob 80-90% of the each book is a mirror reflection of the other.

Quite obvious you've never read either.
 

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